Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by AP246, May 30, 2018.
Can someone explain what happened to italy?
Italy came out as a 'winner' of the European war, gaining Albania, parts of Yugoslavia's coast and Greece as a puppet, as well as parts of Savoy and Corsica from France, and Tunisia and British Somaliland in Africa
After the end of the Nazi-Soviet war, Italy and Germany drifted apart diplomatically, with some tensions between them, and when the German civil war broke out Italy stayed out.
With the surrender of Germany, Italy was present at the post-Nazi conferences, cooperating with the coalition. Making some sacrifices, such as the restoration of Switzerland, the handing back of Savoy to France, giving some areas of Dalmatia back to Yugoslavia etc. the country was able to maintain its independence and, to some extent, its sphere of influence. However, this was weakening, as continuous unrest in Greece was making the Italian presence untenable, as was Italy's sphere and colonial empire elsewhere.
With the death of Mussolini some time in the 60s or early 70s (haven't decided yet), king Umberto II asserted himself, with much popular support, bringing sweeping reforms to the country and setting up elections. In the following years, Italy would withdraw from Greece and Albania, and decolonise generally, though remaining with some presence in Libya.
In the years since, Italy remains one of the foremost European countries, and democratic constitutional monarchy, and a powerful member of the young European project. Though its short-term alliance with Nazi Germany is a sticking point for some, the general outlook is to not dwell on that too much.
Why would the allies let Italy keep its colonies in the Mediterranean? If Finland can't keep its gains despite those being even less connected to the Nazis, why would the Allies let Italy keep its?
So, how democratic is TTL's Russia, I may ask?
How is George VI viewed ITTL?
Finland did keep its gains? And Italy didn't keep its gains, really. By that point, Albania and Greece were essentially independent, with Italian troops in them being harassed and such. Very soon afterwards, as part of the reconstruction process, Italy withdrew its troops from other European countries and decolonised.
As to why the allies let this happen, well, at this point what's the point of invading Italy? They've just spent a lot of resources destroying Nazi Germany and they have that mess to deal with, a war against Italy would be even more of a mess.
About the same as otl, if not slightly less democratic even than that. I'd say they pay lip service to democracy in some way, but are not democratic
That's a good question. I suppose he would be seen more negatively, since he was King during the humiliation of Dunkirk and such, but at the same time I don't see how he could really be blamed for any of that.
Did he live any longer than OTL due to a shorter war?
That, I haven't looked into yet, though in the HOI4 mod he dies at exactly the same time as OTL.
Italy sounds like the big winner in the end to some extent. I was wondering about South Africa, what happened to them after the war ended? Did they align with Germany?
What areas of Continental Europe are the richest in 2019 ITTL? Italy and Iberia?
Probably Sweden turned out the best since, well, they managed to stay out of it all. Italy's probably doing pretty well for itself, and Iberia probably better than in OTL at least relative to the rest of Europe.
That's something I haven't explored, but is quite interesting, though I think the opportunity to do so before Germany collapses is quite short.
Any OTL East Block country may be a good question. The Slavic ones have all been badly damaged demographically, yet didn't have to endure 40 years of real socialism outside what used to be the USSR.
Hungary and Romania might be quite wealthy.
I can assume that Bulgaria might be better off as well.
So, due to current events and through conversations with the perhaps other biggest dev working on the HOI4 mod who lives in Hong Kong, I decided to explore it in TWR, even if it's not really relevant to the POD and the main changes, just as a fun detour.
Hong Kong - A Brief History
Considering it's canon that Konev took over when Beria died, how deadly was Konev's rule over the Soviet Union as his focus tree in the HoI4 mod involves lots of purges? Did Zhukov end up being tossed from a plane?
That's not canon. Nothing's canon unless I say it is
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