Thomas Howard, and a string of deaths in the Tudor family

Should Mary Tudor Be Queen in her own right, or should there be a succession war?

  • Queen in own right

    Votes: 3 75.0%
  • Succession war

    Votes: 1 25.0%

  • Total voters
    4
  • Poll closed .
Oh that sounds very interesting and therefore brings about a Howard England and Scotland, which could make things very interesting. Would there be a Protestant resurgence here, or a firm Catholic settlement, and of course with the might of england behind her, Mary could well crush the protestant nobles in Scotland

No idea. Was just spitballing mostly. England might remain Catholic - no Elizabethan Protestant interlude between the two Queens Mary - but maybe @desmirelle or @mcdnab could offer insight into what is most likely for a religious settlement
 
No idea. Was just spitballing mostly. England might remain Catholic - no Elizabethan Protestant interlude between the two Queens Mary - but maybe @desmirelle or @mcdnab could offer insight into what is most likely for a religious settlement

Alright, Thomas was raised a Protestant but seemed alright to in otl with returning England to Catholicism, given his house's power, he might be able to swing it
 
Alright, Thomas was raised a Protestant but seemed alright to in otl with returning England to Catholicism, given his house's power, he might be able to swing it

Would there be tension between Mary and Norfolk over how much power he exercises?

She obviously sidelined Darnley IOTL, but Darnley was a 20-something lightweight and she'll presumably be relying on Norfolk a lot more to secure her precarious hold on England (both with regard to his power base and to combat perceptions that she's a foreigner- and Scot raised in France is probably the worst kind of foreigner the English can imagine).

During her exceedingly buried reign Jane Grey also struggled with Guildford's desire to be crowned king.
 
Would there be tension between Mary and Norfolk over how much power he exercises?

She obviously sidelined Darnley IOTL, but Darnley was a 20-something lightweight and she'll presumably be relying on Norfolk a lot more to secure her precarious hold on England (both with regard to his power base and to combat perceptions that she's a foreigner- and Scot raised in France is probably the worst kind of foreigner the English can imagine).

During her exceedingly buried reign Jane Grey also struggled with Guildford's desire to be crowned king.

This is very true, I think it would depend on how Mary and Thomas get on properly. I think she mght rely on him early on, but once she gets established I can see her ruling properly in her own right, given her character. Perhpas giving Thomas military duties.
 
Here's the full list of options in England I can think of:

Henry Stafford (heir to the third Duke of Buckingham one of the richest men in England) b 1500 ish
Thomas Howard (son of Anne of York) b 1496 ish (died around 1508 in OTL)
Henry Pole (son of Margaret Plantagenet) b 1492
Henry Courtenay (son of Catherine of York) b 1496

There is also Thomas Grey (son of the 1st Marquess of Dorset) he was widowed in around 1508 - is powerful wealthy and in his 30s.
 
Here's the full list of options in England I can think of:

Henry Stafford (heir to the third Duke of Buckingham one of the richest men in England) b 1500 ish
Thomas Howard (son of Anne of York) b 1496 ish (died around 1508 in OTL)
Henry Pole (son of Margaret Plantagenet) b 1492
Henry Courtenay (son of Catherine of York) b 1496

There is also Thomas Grey (son of the 1st Marquess of Dorset) he was widowed in around 1508 - is powerful wealthy and in his 30s.

I can see Henry VII leanng mroe toward Henry Stafford due to the Lancastrian connection there. Though Thomas Howard is likely to emerge as a strong competitor should Henry die before anything is solidifed. Though Henry could also consider Thomas Grey, as he has no independent claim to the throne
 
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