This May Sound Dumb- CSA joins British Commonwealth?

Sachyriel

Banned
Let's say the CSA survives as a separate nation, tensions subside eventually and instead of being an antagonist in the World Wars is like Canada and the USA, against Germany with normal allied relations to the other English=speaking nations. Just work with me here, this is a big jump.

Anyways, would the CSA join the British Commonwealth?

I don't think they would, but the possibility exists I'm sure and maybe you'll all tear me to pieces and make me sad, but like I said: Work with me. I know it's a stupid idea but all the same, no one has brought it up before and let's talk about it.
 

archaeogeek

Banned
I doubt the CSA would be left with much but some of the founding states, maybe North Carolina and Arkansas sticking in if (this one if Louisiana hasn't left).
 
Why would they? AFAIK, the only nations which were part of the British Commonwealth were former Crown Colonies which had achieve semi/full independence. I doubt that the CSA would want a monarch as HoS, anyways.
 

archaeogeek

Banned
Why would they? AFAIK, the only nations which were part of the British Commonwealth were former Crown Colonies which had achieve semi/full independence. I doubt that the CSA would want a monarch as HoS, anyways.

Mozambique was an exception... then again maybe not so much what with Portugal being a borderline British puppet :p
 
Wouldnt ever happen. The commonwealth finally fully come into being until after the end of WW2 and the demise of the Empire.

WHile I am sure that the British Empire would have been more than happy for the CSA to be "absorbed" back into the fold after the civil war, I cant see the people of the CSA agreeing to it! The people in the USA would certainly not stand for it!
And without being part of the Empire then there is no reason for the Commonwealth to invite them to be a member.
 
Wouldnt ever happen. The commonwealth finally fully come into being until after the end of WW2 and the demise of the Empire.

WHile I am sure that the British Empire would have been more than happy for the CSA to be "absorbed" back into the fold after the civil war, I cant see the people of the CSA agreeing to it! The people in the USA would certainly not stand for it!
And without being part of the Empire then there is no reason for the Commonwealth to invite them to be a member.

The Commonwealth doesn't necessarily have anything to do with empire at all. The Commonwealth, while not actually in existence in the 1860s, is a viable trade and security agreement that the CSA could benefit from. Think about it; by the time the Commonwealth, if it isn't butterflied away, does come into existence, the CSA will have a huge number of foreign countries with which to trade, and an organisation which provides protection from external threats (particularly from the US). Getting the CSA to survive past WWI is an entirely different matter.
 
Why would they? AFAIK, the only nations which were part of the British Commonwealth were former Crown Colonies which had achieve semi/full independence. I doubt that the CSA would want a monarch as HoS, anyways.

While you are right about the monarchy, I staunchly disagree with you saying "semi-independence". The political status of NZ, Australia, etc. hasn't changed since the Statute of Westminster; we just gradually shifted away from Britain diplomatically. In that sense, the 'dominions' weren't self-governing colonies, they were independent nations from the dates that each one ratified the statute.
 
WHile I am sure that the British Empire would have been more than happy for the CSA to be "absorbed" back into the fold after the civil war, I cant see the people of the CSA agreeing to it! The people in the USA would certainly not stand for it!
And without being part of the Empire then there is no reason for the Commonwealth to invite them to be a member.

krull1m

The empire wouldn't agree to it either, not immediately after a successful secession by the south. For two reasons:
a) It would poison relations with the US

b) Even more importantly unless you somehow removed slavery [totally ASB at this point with an independent south] Britain would reject any such idea even if the south suggested it.

Steve
 
Bless the time out feature for this is edited

It's not dumb at all, if the CSA won by the skin of their teeth and in debt up to its eyeballs to the British... and the US decided to just let it all go, maybe.
There's lots of variables, how trashed was the South by warfare and the Union blockade when it won? How much did the Brits get involved in the ACW?
If the Brits just brokered the peace and enjoined both sides to respect each other's borders and release all claims across them, it MIGHT work.
The key to this is instead of unresolved Southern sour grapes, you've got unresolved Union sour grapes that could poison the scene for decades.
Of course, I see the South becoming a lot like South Africa west, apartheid in practice, depending on resources grown or dug from the ground instead of industrial development almost until the 1920's or 1930's.
The rest is up to you!
 

Sachyriel

Banned
I think it might be possible for the CSA to fall into upheaval again, perhaps erecting a new monarchy that gets in with the British Royal Family (if you know what I mean) in order to allow for some leeway in the whole joining idea or not.

Also, should the CSA break up and the USA doesn't re-absorb these states later, but some of them join the Commonwealth later I'd accept it as interpreting the idea I was putting forward.
 
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