Apostates?
Apostates?
We kill all of you. We kill you all till you die.Okay, justify my current Crusader Kings game for me- what if the Crusaders conquered the Hedjaz? What if a Frankish infidel is count of Mecca? Does the entirety of Dar es Salaam declare jihad against that power, or what?
We kill all of you. We kill you all till you die.
You've said that three times already, and that outcome is highly improbable. Most likely outcome IMO is that the crusaders get thrown out sooner, Islam continues almost as is, and by the present day no one really remembers the sack except scholars and fundementalist christians/islamists.
It bears repeating.You've said that three times already, and that outcome is highly improbable.
... THe butterflies wish to have some words with you. There would have to be something that changes after such a terrible event. Didn't rabbinic Judaism occur after the destruction of the Temple? Didn't Orthodox Christianity take heavy blows after the Russian Revolution and the capture of Constantiople?Most likely outcome IMO is that the crusaders get thrown out sooner, Islam continues almost as is, and by the present day no one really remembers the sack except scholars and fundementalist christians/islamists.
Didn't Orthodox Christianity take heavy blows after the Russian Revolution and the capture of Constantiople?
No just no. Islam would become incredibly pissed and view it as God's way of saying that they are'nt doing enough. expect every christian to get killed, several Jihads against Byzantine and Europe, and maybe a raid on the Vatican to return the favor.
A few people on here said something about a Islamic counter-Crusade/Jihad. I don't see that happening. If they lost this big, they wouldn't be about to strike back. A select few members of the board more vigorously implied "killing every Christian", some even said that they would do it. That's not very rational. First off, how would Jihadists make it anywhere near Europe, especially Rome? It's not like foreigners were common back then, and the accent would give a spy/jihadist away quicker than lightning. An army would be impossible to bring to bear against Christendom, especially from such an awful state as they'd be in. What I'd rather NOT hear about is how someone on this board could conceive of religious murder - or murder for any reason.
haha OK bud, keep dreamingThe Vatican= Untouchable
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There were times where Rome was actually vulnerable for sacking by an Islamic power. Mostespecially during the zenith of the Ottoman naval strength. You still remember how Suleyman I deliberately instructed Barbarossa not to sack Rome during his West Med campaign ?
Although to be fair, the Carolingian monarchs were very capable of fighting back against the Arab raiders, at least for a few decades under Louis II. He fought and destroyed the Emirate of Bari, and campaigned throughout Southern Italy against the invaders. Incidentally he is my favorite Carolingian monarch (besides Lothairs I and II... hell, every ruler from Middle Francia) because he came very close to uniting all of Italy ~872.Not to mention the raids on the Italian coast in the 9th C, although admittedly if you weren't capable of raiding Italy in the 9th C you were doing something very wrong.