THICC: The Highly-Inclusive Color Code

[Zurirach Adankar]

I realized, that we need some small improvements for Austria

Between 1934 and 1938 Austria was a authoritarian, proto-fascist, ultra-catholic dictatorship, the so-called "Ständestaat", before that Austria was a democratic republic.
Several other groups and ideologies where important in 20. century Austria.
We need a color for an Austria dominated by pan-germans who want to unify with (one or several) other German state(s).
We need a color for a social democratic/socialist Austria.
We need a color for a communist Austria (for example, if some "East-Austria" would have been formed from the Soviet Occupation Zone in Austria)

A) - far-right/reactionary/Ständtestaat/Austro-Fascist Austria
B) - democratic Austria
C) - social democratic dominated Austria
D) - communist Austria
E) - pan-german Austria

Maybe it is possible to use already existing variations for Austrian states for this.

 

[ML8991]

I'd have to check, but no, I don't think these could easily be applied onto the current Austrian colours. However, I am making a more definitive version for Boris to use (though by no means a final version as such), so will try work these in on there.

Thanks for these great suggestions though @Zurirach Adankar

From ML8991- Boris's little helper

 

[ML8991]

Hi guys, ML here.

Just putting a message out to say that THICC isn't dead, far from it. Boris is fine, and is working his way through Ethnic Groups 2.0 which, given the vast number of groups in Oceania in particular, is proving a daunting task.

On my end, I am drafting up plans for a near end version of THICC (don't worry, it is massive, and also doesn't include two other paths i want to explore, so see what I am doing as planning a THICC 3.0 as it were).

Inspired by @Zurirach Adankar 's post above, I thought I'd tease what currently Austria could look like in that '3.0' version. Hope you enjoy
(on not including some of your suggestions Zurirach, let me answer each in turn. A) partially included, though parts would be able to be represented in Extra THICC, B) view this as default/Republican Austria, C) Representable in Extra THICC, D) Noted a Far Left with Soviet, hope this balances this, E) Initially I did have this in, but Boris didn't want, I imagine the Pan German can be covered by Extra THICC and Anschluss by using the German Austria colour)

On that note, please enjoy (other revisions may be to put Nazi Austria with Salzburg, but this is unlikely)
-Republican Austria/Vienna
-Austrian Empire/Austria-Hungary
-Danuabian Federation/United States of Austria
-Celtic Germania/Other Danuabian State
-Salzburg/German Austria
-Tyrol/Innsbruck
-Far Left Austria/Soviet Austria
-Far Right Austria/Ständtestaat
-Nazi Austria
-Brixen/Latin Austria
-Kugelmugel/Austrian Micronation
-Upper Austria/Austria Proper
-Austrian Circle/Pan Alpine State
-Lower Austria/Inner Austria
-Voralburg/Noricum
-Further Austria/Austrian Dominated Germany
-Styria/Islamic Germania
-Carinthia/Carantina/Noricii
-Hungarian Led Austria/Uralic Germania
-Burgenland/East Austria

But yep, a grand total of 20!!! colours just for Austria. Well, the code ain't called THICC for nothing .

All the best and as always, and Questions or Suggestions are always welcome,
Till next time,
From ML8991, Boris's Little Helper

 

[Zurirach Adankar]

Inspired by @Zurirach Adankar 's post above, I thought I'd tease what currently Austria could look like in that '3.0' version. Hope you enjoy
(on not including some of your suggestions Zurirach, let me answer each in turn. A) partially included, though parts would be able to be represented in Extra THICC, B) view this as default/Republican Austria, C) Representable in Extra THICC, D) Noted a Far Left with Soviet, hope this balances this, E) Initially I did have this in, but Boris didn't want, I imagine the Pan German can be covered by Extra THICC and Anschluss by using the German Austria colour)

Thank You! @ML8991 and @Crazy Boris

 

[Lifelover]

When THICC 3.0. and THICC 2.1. Extra will come out? And where will you post it?

 

[ML8991]

On 3.0 THICC, it is very much on the drawing board, life has been busy for me recently.
On 2.1 Extra, that is more up to Boris, but lots of interesting things that hopefully will be in, that I can say.
from ML8991, Boris's little helper.

 

[RMcD94]

On what part of the THICC image does it tell you the version number/date? Also can you update the OP?

BTW why are there two Japanese Central America's

If the third colour is meant to be the primary colour then why are all the nations shaded in behind the text with the weakest colour? Surely it should be their primary colour?

Don't you think since Mexico borders the UK and is near UK territory in Caribbean it should be more distinct. Similarly Dominican Republic and Cuba have near identical colours. Hard to tell at a glance if those islands are French or American. How did you decide what colours to give each country? Surely distinctiveness from neighbours played a part and yet...?

Also IMO colouring countries based on their political ideology is not a good way to do it, you could change the colour of their borders or something like that instead but changing their colour doesn't seem right. Is there a system that colours countries based on a) the historical successor states of a country and b) the central location of power of the country? A country shouldn't change colour if it is basically a successor state to another, it should change colour if there is a significant shift in the location of power even if it is still successor state (ie even though the UK is Scotland's successor state Scotland the colour should signify the basis of power in south east England and an EU shouldn't just be the colour of France because Paris is no longer the centre of power and indeed nowhere would be so it would need a new colour). CMV

 

[Rosella]

If the third colour is meant to be the primary colour then why are all the nations shaded in behind the text with the weakest colour? Surely it should be their primary colour?

This is the way the TOAST3R scheme (originally from 2016) does it, and carried on to here because it makes each color more distinct than using white and if the middle color was used rather than the lightest then the text color would need to change on a case-by-case basis. The TOASTER "sun and moon" scheme variant used the darkest color for one, and even then the white text could be difficult to read on lighter colors.

Also IMO colouring countries based on their political ideology is not a good way to do it, you could change the colour of their borders or something like that instead but changing their colour doesn't seem right.

This is also an old trend- the TACOS scheme from 2011 does this especially for already-present colors, but arguably this goes back to UCS- whose "modern" section differentiated imperial and communist Russia + China. I agree that having dedicated colors for specific ideological variations of countries is... not the best idea unless one's map is specifically made to convey it (the issues with having the USA change color every time the president's party changes spring to mind), but I feel that at least some shading should be done to differentiate (especially when the differentiation is sorely needed, such as when depicting a civil war).

 

[RMcD94]

This is the way the TOAST3R scheme (originally from 2016) does it, and carried on to here because it makes each color more distinct than using white and if the middle color was used rather than the lightest then the text color would need to change on a case-by-case basis. The TOASTER "sun and moon" scheme variant used the darkest color for one, and even then the white text could be difficult to read on lighter colors.

I didn't consider that the text would be hard to read on the middle colour but surely a white outline/black text or vice versa would resolve that. Perhaps not enough resolution for that, though certainly there should be room in the titles.

Also there should be a mini version of it so you can see at a glance where each country/continent section is in the right hand guide.

Also countries that exist OTL (in 2020?) should have a special white border or something to make them stand out.

This is also an old trend- the TACOS scheme from 2011 does this especially for already-present colors, but arguably this goes back to UCS- whose "modern" section differentiated imperial and communist Russia + China. I agree that having dedicated colors for specific ideological variations of countries is... not the best idea unless one's map is specifically made to convey it (the issues with having the USA change color every time the president's party changes spring to mind), but I feel that at least some shading should be done to differentiate (especially when the differentiation is sorely needed, such as when depicting a civil war).

I can understand the need if you decide to map a civil war, and I can definitely see that every country should have a colour and an alternative colour for scenarios like KMT/CCP or something. On the other hand if this colour scheme is designed to be able to be used in civil war's I don't think it's going to be good enough and I don't really think it should be. IMO it seems a grand colour scheme like this is best designed for showing international, not internal, changes.

If you look at real civil wars there are thousands of possible factions that can't be represented without a dedicated colour scheme that shows the relation between them. Like an every day civil war video or Kolchak's Warlord Atlas for China. They don't rely on independent colour schemes because if you're going to dedicate this long to a project that only shows part of a world anyway it's fine to make up a colour scheme.

Do you know of any other schemes that don't do this? Must be some somewhere. This one is the most popular colour scheme right?

What is this colour schemes purpose or design statement? For maps of the world over periods of time right?
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If you really wanted to you could show political identity by changing the border colour of a country or adding an outline on the country or by giving them a square in their capital which changes reflecting the ideological compass colours or something. So Imperial Russia would have monarchist purple in Moscow, then it would be a red commie colour then blue democracy or something.

 

[Rosella]

This one is the most popular colour scheme right?

Not by a long shot. By my estimate, the distribution is PROBABLY around 40% TOASTER and descendants, 30% direct UCS descendants, 30% TACOS and descendants- of which THICC takes up perhaps a third of the TOASTER section, while DCS takes up about half of the TACOS section. I think the most-used one of all has to be TOASTER....

The concept of changing border colors seems iffy- international borders would then have to be two pixels instead of one, and internal borders would have a high risk of being too similar a color to one of the national colors (though this is itself an issue with the current grays and yellow). Having an ideology color in the capital would be interesting- I worry that this would backfire in maps of a large region, where it could be mistaken for a rebellion or worse fill in much of the country itself. I know for a fact that some use outlines, but this gets iffy in small areas and where multiple outlines are required (supranational organizations, claims, etc).

 

[Library of Alexandria]

Not by a long shot. By my estimate, the distribution is PROBABLY around 40% TOASTER and descendants, 30% direct UCS descendants, 30% TACOS and descendants- of which THICC takes up perhaps a third of the TOASTER section, while DCS takes up about half of the TACOS section. I think the most-used one of all has to be TOASTER....

The concept of changing border colors seems iffy- international borders would then have to be two pixels instead of one, and internal borders would have a high risk of being too similar a color to one of the national colors (though this is itself an issue with the current grays and yellow). Having an ideology color in the capital would be interesting- I worry that this would backfire in maps of a large region, where it could be mistaken for a rebellion or worse fill in much of the country itself. I know for a fact that some use outlines, but this gets iffy in small areas and where multiple outlines are required (supranational organizations, claims, etc).

Shit, other people base their cs on other schemes? Explains why mine is taking so long to finish.

 

[ML8991]

Ok, long post warning, least for me.

Firstly, @Rosella you are a godsend, thank you for your patient, informed and polite answers to the peeps in the absence of Boris or me, you are amazing.

To @RMcD94, to each of your points so far in turn
-the version number is just an internal numbering, and is only noted updating wise on the deviantart page- and to update the OP would be a huge task, I hope to make 3.0 a bit easier to do, so hopefully as and when I am able to forward that onto Boris and he feels a drive to do it, we can update it.
-Japanese Central America has been noted and fixed in my revisions
-Rosella answered this point quite well (up to the colour swatch point)
-I have often tried to discuss towards UK and Mexico with Boris, he is happy as it is, your mileage my vary. Cuba and Dominican Republic definitely shouldn't be an issue to level you are discussing it there however. France and the US is an interesting one, but hopefully some adjustments might coming in if I can sway it.
-As discussed it does prove useful for Civil wars in particular, but if that is too limiting for you, from what is is Core, there are more opportunities in Extra THICC for you to be able to make specialist maps to specifically represent a countries ideology in more detail than the rudimentary and limited ideologies shown in the core scheme
-On political swaying though, this is a strong debate in the community, some people put England distinct from the UK/GB, others don't, it is personal preference. As is much of this scheme, the changing political epicenter approach that you were unsure upon was an idea that I lifted to Boris from SUCK, another very good and comprehensive colour scheme.
-A black/white appearance would likely limit the aesthetic appeal of the scheme, so I don't think this path will be taken, however much easier it may be.
-I have discussed this with Boris, and may bring it up again, but as yet there is still a region map in this thread already, so you can always refer to that if needed.
-Given in only a few cases are modern countries by themselves, I don't feel a white outline will help in this case, and may prove distracting if applied across the scheme.
-THICC, as with all 'grand' colour schemes does try to strike a middle ground between both, and as it proves useful to many, internal changes will be noted if appropriate, but see an above comment I made on politics and Extra THICC, but yes many do the CIYOW (Colour it your own way) method, an approach that is well known here on alternate history.
-Agree with Rosella, much as would be great for this to be the most popular, TACOS, TOASTER and DCS are more widely used, having discussed with some people, it is due to the scale of THICC being daunting.
-As with pretty much all mapping colour schemes on here, with the exception of the older, more niche schemes like ACS, THICC intends to cover across time the world, not just for a particular era.
-As noted twice already, use Extra THICC for politics, it is there for more specific mapping than the main scheme, which is predominantly for countries in particular.
-Changing borders indeed could prove controversial, I know personally that I am on the fence with the shift to yellow approach on the new TOAST3R.

Think got all of yours, do message if have not.

But yeh, to @Pen feels bad mate, but yeh, often colours are inspired and lifted across schemes, though I look forward to when we see yours .

 

[RMcD94]

Not by a long shot. By my estimate, the distribution is PROBABLY around 40% TOASTER and descendants, 30% direct UCS descendants, 30% TACOS and descendants- of which THICC takes up perhaps a third of the TOASTER section, while DCS takes up about half of the TACOS section. I think the most-used one of all has to be TOASTER....

The concept of changing border colors seems iffy- international borders would then have to be two pixels instead of one, and internal borders would have a high risk of being too similar a color to one of the national colors (though this is itself an issue with the current grays and yellow). Having an ideology color in the capital would be interesting- I worry that this would backfire in maps of a large region, where it could be mistaken for a rebellion or worse fill in much of the country itself. I know for a fact that some use outlines, but this gets iffy in small areas and where multiple outlines are required (supranational organizations, claims, etc).

Huh I'd only heard of UCS and THICC. Thanks for the info.

Sadly no system is perfect. You could also just have a legend that tells you what country every colour is and what their current political leaning is too. For multiple claims you can do the same one pixel is one colour one pixel is another but yes you can't really show Andorra in 10 organizations. In terms of rebellion that would obviously be shown in a different way, as long as people know the colour scheme then it should be apparent what system it's using. On THICC there are those icons for capitals and fire stations that could be used instead to show political leaning. But those require a certain resolution as do many methods which colour doesn't.

Two pixel borders would make it less clear where the border is.

Ok, long post warning, least for me.

Firstly, @Rosella you are a godsend, thank you for your patient, informed and polite answers to the peeps in the absence of Boris or me, you are amazing.

To @RMcD94, to each of your points so far in turn
-the version number is just an internal numbering, and is only noted updating wise on the deviantart page- and to update the OP would be a huge task, I hope to make 3.0 a bit easier to do, so hopefully as and when I am able to forward that onto Boris and he feels a drive to do it, we can update it.
-Japanese Central America has been noted and fixed in my revisions
-Rosella answered this point quite well (up to the colour swatch point)
-I have often tried to discuss towards UK and Mexico with Boris, he is happy as it is, your mileage my vary. Cuba and Dominican Republic definitely shouldn't be an issue to level you are discussing it there however. France and the US is an interesting one, but hopefully some adjustments might coming in if I can sway it.
-As discussed it does prove useful for Civil wars in particular, but if that is too limiting for you, from what is is Core, there are more opportunities in Extra THICC for you to be able to make specialist maps to specifically represent a countries ideology in more detail than the rudimentary and limited ideologies shown in the core scheme
-On political swaying though, this is a strong debate in the community, some people put England distinct from the UK/GB, others don't, it is personal preference. As is much of this scheme, the changing political epicenter approach that you were unsure upon was an idea that I lifted to Boris from SUCK, another very good and comprehensive colour scheme.
-A black/white appearance would likely limit the aesthetic appeal of the scheme, so I don't think this path will be taken, however much easier it may be.
-I have discussed this with Boris, and may bring it up again, but as yet there is still a region map in this thread already, so you can always refer to that if needed.
-Given in only a few cases are modern countries by themselves, I don't feel a white outline will help in this case, and may prove distracting if applied across the scheme.
-THICC, as with all 'grand' colour schemes does try to strike a middle ground between both, and as it proves useful to many, internal changes will be noted if appropriate, but see an above comment I made on politics and Extra THICC, but yes many do the CIYOW (Colour it your own way) method, an approach that is well known here on alternate history.
-Agree with Rosella, much as would be great for this to be the most popular, TACOS, TOASTER and DCS are more widely used, having discussed with some people, it is due to the scale of THICC being daunting.
-As with pretty much all mapping colour schemes on here, with the exception of the older, more niche schemes like ACS, THICC intends to cover across time the world, not just for a particular era.
-As noted twice already, use Extra THICC for politics, it is there for more specific mapping than the main scheme, which is predominantly for countries in particular.
-Changing borders indeed could prove controversial, I know personally that I am on the fence with the shift to yellow approach on the new TOAST3R.

Think got all of yours, do message if have not.

But yeh, to @Pen feels bad mate, but yeh, often colours are inspired and lifted across schemes, though I look forward to when we see yours .

I think the version number should be on the picture so you can tell at a glance if you're up to date rather than trying to find the explicit changes between version numbers. Underneath THICC I think it should say 1.1 or 1.2 and the date of the update. This makes it easy to know if you're out of date.

This is Cuba/Dominican Republic from a distance. Not identical but they are very similar to my eyes. Obviously everyone has different perceptions of colour and I know part of the attempt is to make the colours historically reflective of the Spanish Empire but seems like there is a lot of the spectrum unused over here. I wonder if you could place all of the countries in South America on a colour chart axis and see how bunched up they are and what places are empty.

Example like this



If you have a CORE Thicc and EXTRA Thicc for civil wars then I feel like that is even more reason to remove political affiliations from the CORE Thicc. Does a CORE(?) really need to have 10 different civil war factions for the 1% of history when that occurs. Of course there are civil wars that are more separatist in nature when you could use a colour representing the power centre but usually if they are all competing for the same region I'd use civil war specific colours (which would be a great time to for political leaning to influence colour).

Something like a simple flowchart:

Step 1: Is your country in a war, civil war or has disputed territory?
Yes: Refer to core THICC and select the colour based on the epicentre (great word btw exactly what I was looking for) of power (or country name if we're avoiding radical change).
No: Refer to extra THICC, which contains the multitude of different colours available, when the civil war is concluded switch the country to the appropriate colour, signifying the end of the war.

Step 2: Is your country's power centre in the Americas?
Yes: Refer to first two columns of chart
No: next step

Step 3: Is your country in Africa?
Yes: refer to columns 3 and 4
No: etc

- I can understand the England/GB/UK dispute, as a Scotsman I'm certainly not unbiased in that nature though I'd say in all situations the centre of power was in South East England. So it should share a colour with Wessex. And when Normandy invades the colour should remain Normandy's colour until power drifts to London. I'll have to look into SUCK I'm very ignorant about colour schemes as I've only started properly trying to make maps recently for a timeline I'm working on. Though I've been on the side of Maps and Graphics for 10 years or whatever and always thought some regulation/organisation could be good haha

-I don't mean black and white for the full box. I mean a one pixel outline of white/black around the white/black letters. Using opposing outlines makes words clear no matter the background.

https://imgur.com/a/0VMxO

It may be unfeasible at the size of the writing though.

-I'm not sure what white outline I recommended for but I understand that you want to represent military alliances/supranational states with outlines which has the same issue with small nations that might be one pixel wide like Andorra. It's a good thing the HRE isn't around anymore as you'd never get any borders on smaller maps. One benefit of having no borders (nation colours directly touching) is that you can have lots of one pixel wide nations next to each other. Yes it does reduce the accuracy of where the border is from 1 pixel to 2 pixel but it may be a reasonable sacrifice.

However perhaps you can be justified in saying that this colour scheme is designed for most circumstances where nations are big enough to have a shared black border.

-I feel like a middle ground is less good if you have extra THICC too, surely the CORE should be clean and limited and then you pick and choose which extras are applicable. "Here's an extra for HRE members which of course would each individually require an outline showing that they are a member of HRE (lucky they are all connected so you can draw an outline around the whole thing but imagine if they were scattered around countries that weren't members!)

-I do think it's good to have a global perspective to cover the world since the start of humanity.

-I do question black as a border especially for the coast since it should be a colour similar to water IMO to represent that you know there is water in this tile. I also think international borders should not be similar in colour to coastal borders. But at least it's very easy (with GIMP but not paint) for someone to change the border colours for their own image. So as long as it's consistent across the image you can just select it all and change it.

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Overall if there are other colour schemes that already exist that have the design statement I was thinking about then lots of different ideas is fine. Is there a megathread of colour schemes with descriptions or a flowchart to help people choose one? I'd like a list with design statements, completion status, last update, scale/scope.

 

[Rosella]

Shit, other people base their cs on other schemes? Explains why mine is taking so long to finish.

Most schemes use UCS as a base, if not officially than simply because it has the most entrenched set of colors due to being the oldest. TACOS is an attempt at a competitor to UCS, and DCS was at least partially built from an effort to expand it. THICC and SUCK are likewise based on TOASTER, which in turn has some elements from TACOS and shares the common UCS heritage. There's also RCS, a semi-active color scheme derived from TCS which was derived from UCS, but I am unsure how many people use it.

 

[ML8991]

To continue answers @RMcD94
-I am not doubting the good idea of a more obvious version system, just noting the way it is currently done
-I do agree that some colours do align a tad too closely on the wheel, I have discussed this with Boris before, but as said already, he is happy with them as is. But your comment about countries being too limited on the spectrum may be a tad dis-genuine, as although perhaps in the modern countries the colours are close, you have to remember THICC isn't intending just to cover the modern era, thus wider ranges are noted outside there.
-Political affiliations in THICC will likely always stay, people stick to the Core scheme, and it is an easy way to do things, otherwise Extra becomes inputted with things that are easily and commonly represented in mapping, so I think it would be safe to say a hard no to that. Note also there is a rebel groups section which effectively covers your issue also as defined by your flowchart methodology (but shifting power bases as a basis is unlikely, Free France still viewed itself as France e.g., it is just delineated due to cases when it might be against the Republic etc...)
-The headings may get changed, but no, I don't think Boris will be going into that level of effort for a very minimal change.
-On borders, given the fact that THICC is proud arguably for the multiplicity of its choices, changing borders up to be enforced in that is not a likely path. If that is your choice, then you can do that on your own maps, THICC is a tool, not a 'last word' standard you have to follow.
-With a name like THICC, can you really imagine it being streamlined? Please though look at Extra THICC as I think you may be missing the point of it as a supplement.
-Black borders on coasts are just the way it always is, though some schemes do have a very dark grey in lieu, but blue or a shade of blue for a coastline hasn't been applied.

On the topic of a colour scheme thread, there were attempts elsewhere, but no one has compiled them all together, which to be fair would be a large task indeed, given there are probably over 20 different schemes, which are all scattered around the place.

Ml8991, Crazy_Boris's helper
3.0 compiler

 

[Lifelover]

I have some ideas for THICC.
Canada:
-Sverdrup Islands/ Norwegian America
-separate colour for Vinland
-separate colour for Beothuk
-Land of Corte-Real/ Portuguese America

East USA:
-Conservative (OTL) USA / Republicans
-Liberal USA/ Democrats
-Brighton Beach/ Post-Soviet Emigree state

West USA:
-Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone/ BLM
-Fort-Ross/ Russian California

Greater Russia:
-Union of Sovergein States/ Liberal USSR
-Old Ladoga/ Gardarike
-(As-) Slawiya/ Arabic Russia
-Tverian Karelia
-Ezryas
-Mokshas/ Secondary Mordovia
-Lviv/ Galicia
-Brest/ Švitrigaila supporters
-Democratic Belarus/ Belarusian People's Republic

 

[ML8991]

I have some ideas for THICC.
Canada:
-Sverdrup Islands/ Norwegian America
-separate colour for Vinland
-separate colour for Beothuk
-Land of Corte-Real/ Portuguese America

East USA:
-Conservative (OTL) USA / Republicans
-Liberal USA/ Democrats
-Brighton Beach/ Post-Soviet Emigree state

West USA:
-Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone/ BLM
-Fort-Ross/ Russian California

Greater Russia:
-Union of Sovergein States/ Liberal USSR
-Old Ladoga/ Gardarike
-(As-) Slawiya/ Arabic Russia
-Tverian Karelia
-Ezryas
-Mokshas/ Secondary Mordovia
-Lviv/ Galicia
-Brest/ Švitrigaila supporters
-Democratic Belarus/ Belarusian People's Republic

Let's break these down
-Sverdrup Islands/Norwegian America- Added on my 3.0 list as a Norwegian Canada (Minnesota is a Norwegian US btw)
-Interesting to split out Beothuk and Vinland, I get splitting one off, in case the Beothuk and the Vinlanders co-inhabit, but why both?
-Corte-Real has been added, alongside a separate colour for Portuguese Canada
-Not sure to including Republicans and Democrats on main scheme, would be to Boris's discretion (due to their sliding political sidings) but conservative and liberal US are on my list
-Interesting about Brighton beach, will add it, whereabouts would it go with state wise in East USA?
-Not sure if BLM would go in main part of scheme or in rebels, but good nod with the capitol autonomous zone, any other suggested alts to it?
-Fort Ross is definitely in, though as Russian US (the Alyeska colony is noted as New Arkangelsk/ Russian Alaska, so it isn't ignored )
-Had not got to Russia yet, so some welcome suggestions, can you explain the following to me, as unfamiliar: Gardarike, As-Slawiya, Ezryas, Mokshas, Svitrigaila supporters (can't do the accent on the s, sorry)

Hope raises your hopes and any other suggestions (try to avoid from other colour schemes and more from own suggestions, as chances are that it is on my text sheets I made for each colour scheme, in order to compare in what we missed in THICC. Thank you and looking forward to more suggestions in the future one and all

 

[floppy_seal99]

As-Slawiya

Islamic Russia/Muslim Pan-Slavic state?

 

[ML8991]

Islamic Russia/Muslim Pan-Slavic state?

I'd guess so, but Islamic Russia is a thing already

 

[James the AH Fan]

Not sure if BLM would go in main part of scheme or in rebels

I think that having the BLM in the rebels would rub some people the wrong way.