They Fought on the Beaches: A Discussion of a Failed Operation: Sea Lion (and Timeline Discussion)

Link for sealion 41?

http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/topic/22513/Operation-Sealion-1941-Part-1b

Is Part 1b (There are about 13 parts, but each part is broken down further into A, B, C (sometimes D & E) so there is a lot to go through. You'll have to search the boards around that date for the whole story.
Sea lion in Summer 1940
Certain
Invasion fails,Barbarossa postponed one to two years so Summer 42 or 43, no Afrika Corps
Likely
Churchill removed , new English government negotiates a peace making Sea lion a Stritigic Pyrrhic Victory for the Germans.
Possible but Unlikely
War in the pacific butterflied away, Hitler removed by the Army.

You are joking right? Churchill removed?! His position would be so secure after a failed Sealion it would take dynamite to shift him from PM. The BRITISH (I always know people don't know what they're talking about when they say 'England' or 'English' to refer to the United Kingdom) government would not negotiate after a failed Sealion. They're going to win.....
 
You are joking right? Churchill removed?! His position would be so secure after a failed Sealion it would take dynamite to shift him from PM. The BRITISH (I always know people don't know what they're talking about when they say 'England' or 'English' to refer to the United Kingdom) government would not negotiate after a failed Sealion. They're going to win.....

Agreed. Someone does not know what he is talking about..........*looks at @thevaliant*
 
Agreed. Someone does not know what he is talking about..........*looks at @thevaliant*

I stand by my comments regarding Churchill's position after a failed Sealion; and as someone who is a staunch Unionist, I stand by the fact that the government of the United Kingdom is the BRITISH government not the English one (which does not exist).
 
I stand by my comments regarding Churchill's position after a failed Sealion; and as someone who is a staunch Unionist, I stand by the fact that the government of the United Kingdom is the BRITISH government not the English one (which does not exist).

Er.....oops. Wrong person. Sorry about that. I meant to say @Andrew G Reese. Either way, sorry about that. 100% total accident.
 
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So, basically, epic fail for Germany. Now, based on the situation in Western Europe, Africa, Eastern Europe and the Pacific, what am I looking at in post-WWII Earth? *looks at Japan's possible split into two, and Communist Germany*

What do these have to do with Sealion?
 
What do these have to do with Sealion?

Oh, the fact that I am working on a timeline now that basically revolves on the effects of Operation: Sea Lion that goes as far as 2017? That and I just wanted to know how ATL WWII would look like.
 
Oh, the fact that I am working on a timeline now that basically revolves on the effects of Operation: Sea Lion that goes as far as 2017? That and I just wanted to know how ATL WWII would look like.

Communist vs. divided Germany was outside the scope of all German military operations - the occupation zones were decided by the Allied Powers independently of the Axis Powers and the US would never have tolerated a Soviet occupation of the entire country. The way you get from Sealion to that is have Sealion conquer Britain and then Stalin hit Hitler from behind before the US can do anything about it.

A Soviet invasion of Japan was not feasible before Leyte Gulf, and afterwards it was still infeasible except as an ancillary to a major USN distraction. You can get the Soviets pounding the Japanese in Asia (not Japan) in 1943 or 1944 if Barbarossa is cancelled, but after that the US again is making post-war policy independently.
 
Communist vs. divided Germany was outside the scope of all German military operations - the occupation zones were decided by the Allied Powers independently of the Axis Powers and the US would never have tolerated a Soviet occupation of the entire country. The way you get from Sealion to that is have Sealion conquer Britain and then Stalin hit Hitler from behind before the US can do anything about it.

A Soviet invasion of Japan was not feasible before Leyte Gulf, and afterwards it was still infeasible except as an ancillary to a major USN distraction. You can get the Soviets pounding the Japanese in Asia (not Japan) in 1943 or 1944 if Barbarossa is cancelled, but after that the US again is making post-war policy independently.

So, even if the Soviets managed to occupy all of Germany, no united GDR?
 
It's your scenario so you can write it, but my read on the Americans is that they would fight the Soviets before they'd allow that, and my take on Stalin would be that he'd not fight the Americans if it were just about splitting Germany.
 
It's your scenario so you can write it, but my read on the Americans is that they would fight the Soviets before they'd allow that, and my take on Stalin would be that he'd not fight the Americans if it were just about splitting Germany.

Well, I want to be at least 95% plausible with a 5% artistic license somewhere. So, some input would be nice.
 
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