Thesis: almost any Angloscrew/Britscrew = a Francewank

TFSmith121

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Nicely done...


Kennedy doesn't have the detailed Bairoch economic comparisons earlier than 1750, but Table 1 in Rise and Fall is "Military Manpower, 1470-1660"...in 1470, Spain, France, and England are all in the 20,000 to 40,000 troops range. By 1590, its 200,000 Spanish, 80,000 France, and 30,000 English.

Quite the difference.

Best,
 
Kennedy doesn't have the detailed Bairoch economic comparisons earlier than 1750, but Table 1 in Rise and Fall is "Military Manpower, 1470-1660"...in 1470, Spain, France, and England are all in the 20,000 to 40,000 troops range. By 1590, its 200,000 Spanish, 80,000 France, and 30,000 English.

Quite the difference.

Best,

While the previous post is lengthy, I'll repeat that the latter date is when I'm asserting that England is not really a peer power to either - and that's during a period sometimes called Elizabeth's Golden Age, and at the end of eight rounds of inter-confessional murder in France. The first date is half way through the War of the Roses, and a period where the French are largely at peace (Louis the IX may have been a scheming asshat, but those are the men he can raise without working against a direct foreign threat.) Screw the Brits and... the French are still quite ahead.
 

TFSmith121

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Understood; I think England's latent strength was:

While the previous post is lengthy, I'll repeat that the latter date is when I'm asserting that England is not really a peer power to either - and that's during a period sometimes called Elizabeth's Golden Age, and at the end of eight rounds of inter-confessional murder in France. The first date is half way through the War of the Roses, and a period where the French are largely at peace (Louis the IX may have been a scheming asshat, but those are the men he can raise without working against a direct foreign threat.) Screw the Brits and... the French are still quite ahead.

Understood; I think England's latent strength was that with the Channel and a very real "native" ability to generate maritime power, the kingdom was at one remove from the continental powers, so the troops only needed to be enough to bottle up any continental incursion;

Also, with the "frontiers" of Scotland and Ireland available, second sons and others who could be internal threats in England proper could be kept busy...

Not enough to prevent all internal strife, of course, but something.

Best,
 
Understood; I think England's latent strength was that with the Channel and a very real "native" ability to generate maritime power, the kingdom was at one remove from the continental powers, so the troops only needed to be enough to bottle up any continental incursion;

Also, with the "frontiers" of Scotland and Ireland available, second sons and others who could be internal threats in England proper could be kept busy...

Not enough to prevent all internal strife, of course, but something.

Best,

Ah, quite.
 
There's one more point to be made : France had the 100 years'war. It properly ruined their economy. France was almost wanking, even under incompetent kings like Louis X and his brother Charles. however the Hundred Years' War made France need all its ressources to crush a joint Burgondy/England attack. Hadn't Edward III come in after the dynasty change, France would've taken over Burgondy rather quickly.
The best way to make a Francewank is not really a Britscrew - it's a Franglowank (merge France and England). Best way is killing off all the Roi de Fer's descent except from his son Philippe V le Long, Edward III and his mother. French barons could accept Edward if he gets educated in France, like after Isabelle, Edward II's wife, left off to France, and if Philippe V names him his heir.
 
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