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I like how there's a little tab for the Constitution on the top. I'm guessing the ABL is the American Baseball League?
 
Can I get a link to the aforementioned discord? The link in Cosmic Ash's signature isn't working.

Edit: I went back and had a look at the very first wikibox. What are the positions of the Republican, Socialist, Heritage, True Socialist-Marxist, and National Socialist parties?

And wouldn't the endorsement of George Pataki have (severely) hurt the Conservatives?

They are generally what's on the tin, the only one that wouldn't be the most obvious is the National Socialist Party, which is... not a fascist party (as it does not exist), but one of the various socialist splinter parties that have cropped up over the years.

The U.S. President is mostly seen as harmless or hapless, so no one really pays much mind to them.

When did slavery end in this timeline's U.S.? It had to have been later than 1865, probably more along the lines of when Brazil ended it (1888).

Depends on your definition. If you are charitable and want to say when laws were first passed to restrict it, then the 1890s. If you want the definition to be "when a human could no longer be forcefully bonded to do work for an owner" then you are looking at around the 1930s.

Is the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and books at the time when the British rampaged Hamilton D.C. gets looted?

In New York, I guess there will be a fewer skyscrapers than OTL and OFC with no Statue of Liberty.

The Declaration of Independence is one of the few things the Americans were able to keep. A list of some, not all, of the items in British posession:

- Drafts of the Bill of Rights
- The Bill of Rights
- Debate over Ratification of the Constitution from 1799
- Official Law Code, registering the laws "on the books." up to 1843
- General Geo. Washington's sword and uniform
- The entire Alexander Hamilton collection.
- Most paintings that hung in the White House, Congress, or other buildings in D.C.
- Ongoing debate papers (and a draft) over a proposed Amendment
- The entire U.S. Treasury's die set, along with "many items" of bullion.
- The first Seal of the United States die set
- Personal papers of the President
- The First United States flag
- American copy of the Treaty of Paris
- Desks from the (long abolished) U.S. Senate, emblazoned with Senator's names
- Numerous chairs, tables, furniture and draperies of the White House and Congress.
- Original carpeting used in the House of Representatives

Notable items destroyed
- Constitution of the United States (smoked as a cigar wrapper)
- Treaty of Charleston (thrown into the Potomac)
- Mount Vernon (burned after being used as a British camp)
- Most of Benjamin Franklin's papers (burned/tossed into the streets)

I suppose the Chairman is the real one with power, I wonder what the president actually does at this time and how I has it changed since Hamilton.

The President does very little, despite the office being technically powerful. The Chairman has 100% of the power.

I like how there's a little tab for the Constitution on the top. I'm guessing the ABL is the American Baseball League?

The Constitution is an exceptionally sacred item for Americans. The ABL is the American Batterball League.

If the Internet is in an early 2000s-ish stage, would the old Monobook Wikipedia skin fit more in-universe than the new Vector skin?

The AmeriNet is America's intranet, is not connected to the internet at large. AmeriNet does have an online encylopedia, that is generally free to edit, it is not connected to Wikipedia in any way, and Wikipedia is used by the non-American Anglosphere who have access to the internet.
 
What fricking idiot did that? The rest only has historical value but Franklin was honoured by the damn Royal Society!
Because Ben Franklin is considered a not just a *mere* Traitor, but a super-duper Traitor. Not only did he betray the crown, but he betrayed his birthplace- Boston- by siding with the perfidious rebels. Thus, the New England regiments probably made a point to look for Old Benjamin's stuff and burn it.
 
Theodore "The Butcher" Roosevelt is remembered for the Yucatan War, and his legacy is seen as a great stain on America for his numerous failures.
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To be fair, invading Mexico does sound like something that OTLs Teddy would want to do if he got the chance
 
The President has not been heard from recently. Most Western observers are not really clear who is President, as there was no publicised inauguration ceremony in March. I do wonder where the President went myself.
Most people also wonder where the OTL George Pataki went too.
 
What happened to Oceania in this timeline? Did the white plantation owners overthrow the Hawaiian monarchy or has it managed to preserve to the modern day? Plus what happened to New Zealand as well as places like Fiji and Tahiti? Do they still have their own independent Monarchies or are they integrated members of the commonwealth like in the OTL?
 
What fricking idiot did that? The rest only has historical value but Franklin was honoured by the damn Royal Society!
This just in: the British Empire sucked.

(Well, imperialism in general sucked. But this is a great example of normal crap most European empires, the British included, did when they rampaged into some city and burned down houses of learning and pillaged great cities. They didn't care how important any of that information might have been, it either got destroyed, sent back to London, or somehow was hidden away by a couple locals.)
 
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Then, what would the logo of ABC News from AmeriNet would look like?
What about the nuclear weapons?

I do not have the ABC logo on hand, however - Nuclear weapons do not exist on the scale we are familiar with. Perhaps you can imagine much smaller yields, much bigger bombs.

The real WMDs are the highly developed chemical and biological weapons that most great powers own.

What is, precisely, the PoD in this TL? Is it Washington refusing the Presidency? Or is that spoilers?

The PoD is a fair bit before that, but I don't nail anything down.

Nooo, Ben Franklin's documents that's awful omg, did they just throw them away because they didn't care about them? Or
What fricking idiot did that? The rest only has historical value but Franklin was honoured by the damn Royal Society!
Because Ben Franklin is considered a not just a *mere* Traitor, but a super-duper Traitor. Not only did he betray the crown, but he betrayed his birthplace- Boston- by siding with the perfidious rebels. Thus, the New England regiments probably made a point to look for Old Benjamin's stuff and burn it.

Boston Regiments, who were present during the sack of D.C., did make it a point to find his stuff and either dump it in the Potomac or to burn it. He was a tratior to the Empire, and to the City of Boston. The higher-ups were likely upset, but no one really cared all that much. The scientific value had been mostly gained from it, and there were reproductions made before then, but the originals have all gone.

Most people also wonder where the OTL George Pataki went too.

President Pataki left office on March 4th, 2021 - per the Constitution. It remains unknown if his successor, elected last December by the electoral college, has taken office.

What happened to Oceania in this timeline? Did the white plantation owners overthrow the Hawaiian monarchy or has it managed to preserve to the modern day? Plus what happened to New Zealand as well as places like Fiji and Tahiti? Do they still have their own independent Monarchies or are they integrated members of the commonwealth like in the OTL?

Hawaii, and the rest of Polynesia for the most part, remained fully independent. Their own monarchies have prevailed, as well as the construction of a European-style beaucracy and form of government. The latter was influenced by trade with the British Empire, which made numerous treaties with these countries, bringing them all, in one for or the other, under the Empire.

This just in: the British Empire sucked.

(Well, imperialism in general sucked. But this is a great example of normal crap most European empires, the British included, did when they rampaged into some city and burned down houses of learning and pillaged great cities. They didn't care how important any of that information might have been, it either got destroyed, sent back to London, or somehow was hidden away by a couple locals.)

Indeed. Few people know, or care, about how the British marched into Benin, and ransacked Benin City. They destroyed it as a punitive measure, and also engaged in rampant, uncontrolled looting.

This is the cost of Empire.
 
Hawaii, and the rest of Polynesia for the most part, remained fully independent. Their own monarchies have prevailed, as well as the construction of a European-style beaucracy and form of government. The latter was influenced by trade with the British Empire, which made numerous treaties with these countries, bringing them all, in one for or the other, under the Empire.
Cool! I hope you can go into more detail with some posts later. It'd be cool to see how nations like New Zealand & Fiji persevered during the days of British Imperialism.
 
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