These 60 United States

Trying to be as realistic (read: as close to OTL) as possible, which means limiting wars, annexing only not-completely-useless areas, and ensuring that states have reasonable populations, here's what I've come up with:

Texas split up after the Civil War: Texas, Lincoln, West Texas(?) = 2
Oklahoma & Sequoyah = 3
Cuba = 4
Santo Domingo = 5
Porto Rico (+ Virgin Islands) = 6
Nicaragua = 7
Philippines = 8
Marianas & Guam = 9
Pacific Islands (American Samoa, German Samoa, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Marshall Islands) = 10

Split up Texas ?! Them's fightin' words ...

No way would Texans accept having their state chopped up. Look at Virginia; they didn't officially accept the existence of West Virginia until 1971!
 
Split up Texas ?! Them's fightin' words ...

No way would Texans accept having their state chopped up. Look at Virginia; they didn't officially accept the existence of West Virginia until 1971!
Not something that was likely to happen, but something that WAS considered several times after the Civil War ended and before Texas was re-admitted.
See this thread.
 
Wasn't it something in the original constitution about when a territory could ask for statehood that said something about so and so many inhabitants? (This is not anywhere near my field of expertise, so I might be wrong)
What if this part is taken further so that more populous parts may break away from older states?
So we get “American City-states” like
Chicago
New Orleans
New York - upstate NY changes to New Holland or Erie.
Columbia (former Washington D.C.)

New Foundland is always a possibility after 1949.
California split in two based on population density.

US backing of Walkers schemes in Mexico, Baja, Sonora and Rio Grande


Santo Domingo

That should be ten new states
 
Texas split up after the Civil War: Texas, Lincoln, West Texas(?) = 2
Oklahoma & Sequoyah = 3
Cuba = 4
Santo Domingo = 5
Porto Rico (+ Virgin Islands) = 6
Nicaragua = 7
Philippines = 8
Marianas & Guam = 9
Pacific Islands (American Samoa, German Samoa, Micronesia, Nauru, Palau, Marshall Islands) = 10
Here's what this United States would look like. (Greenland is a Territory)
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I'm sorry, but the idea of Pacific states in what is supposed to be the United States of AMERICA makes me throw up a little in my mouth. I even have a problem with Hawai'i being a state.

The ten Canadian provinces do sound like a good way to go.

Ten "city-states"? New Amsterdam (NYC), Chicago, South California (LA-SD), South Florida (Miami), South Texas (Houston), Philadelphia, Erie (Cleveland), Potomac (DC & MD suburbs & VA suburbs), Detroit, and Three Rivers (St. Louis)?

About Texas: The annexation agreement that brought it into the US allowed it the power to deivide itself into up to FIVE states without looking to Congress for approval. Now, I know it urks Texans to think about anybody else splitting up their beloved state, but think of this: EIGHT MORE VOTES for Texas in the US Senate!!!

And, while were at it: What about dissolving and merging silly, unnecessary states like: RHODE ISLAND!!!! I wouldn't mind seeing ALL of N. England as one state, as a matter of fact!
 
I'm sorry, but the idea of Pacific states in what is supposed to be the United States of AMERICA makes me throw up a little in my mouth. I even have a problem with Hawai'i being a state.
Maybe so, but it's far more realistic that the US would acquire Pacific territories than the US acquiring Canadian territories or even Mexican. In my map, for example, every last inch of that yellow ocean was once owned by the United States anyway. The more unrealistic stuff is Nicaragua and Greenland.
 
hm this'll be simple.

USA (1-50)
Anglica, AN (51):Includes the UK, Canada, and Australia. Does not include any part of Ireland, which instead is delegated to Europa.
Europa, EU (52): Splits Germany in half like in OTL. Includes in addition to what we know as Western Europe, the three Baltic states, all of Ireland and Scandinavia, as well as that part of Russia going from St. Petersburg to Murmansk.
Slavia, SV (53): Includes European USSR excluding the aforementioned bits, and her OTL allies excepting Albania and Bulgaria.
Sinica, SI (54) All of OTL China, minus Taiwan, and plus Mongolia and all of Siberia not belonging to SV or PC.
Orient, OT (55): All African countries that have a Mediterrainian (butchered the spelling there lol) coast, Sudan, and the entire Middle East, as well as Bulgaria, Greece, Yugoslavia and Albania.
India, IA (56): India and Bangladesh.
Pacifica, PC (57): South Korea, Japan, all of SE Asia, and a strip of Siberia on the Pacific. Also includes any Pacific or Indian Ocean island not a US territory already or part of Australia.
Africa, AF (58): All of Africa not taken by Orient
Latinia, LT (59): All of America south of the US border
Persia, PR (60): Includes Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and all of the central Asian SSRs.

:D:p;)
 

Dirk_Pitt

Banned
Divide Texes in 3 ;)

No. Texas was pre-1850(Which is the OP's PoD), like it caused the Mexican-American War(1846-48) by joining the Union, pissing off Mexico. It was suggested that Texas be divided into as much as 5 states but they declined. This was also before 1850.


Here's mine: Have the US declare war on Britain during the 1930s. We were actually very close to war. Cooler heads prevailed, though.
 
hm this'll be simple.

USA (1-50)
Anglica, AN (51):Includes the UK, Canada, and Australia. Does not include any part of Ireland, which instead is delegated to Europa.
Europa, EU (52): Splits Germany in half like in OTL. Includes in addition to what we know as Western Europe, the three Baltic states, all of Ireland and Scandinavia, as well as that part of Russia going from St. Petersburg to Murmansk.
Slavia, SV (53): Includes European USSR excluding the aforementioned bits, and her OTL allies excepting Albania and Bulgaria.
Sinica, SI (54) All of OTL China, minus Taiwan, and plus Mongolia and all of Siberia not belonging to SV or PC.
Orient, OT (55): All African countries that have a Mediterrainian (butchered the spelling there lol) coast, Sudan, and the entire Middle East, as well as Bulgaria, Greece, Yugoslavia and Albania.
India, IA (56): India and Bangladesh.
Pacifica, PC (57): South Korea, Japan, all of SE Asia, and a strip of Siberia on the Pacific. Also includes any Pacific or Indian Ocean island not a US territory already or part of Australia.
Africa, AF (58): All of Africa not taken by Orient
Latinia, LT (59): All of America south of the US border
Persia, PR (60): Includes Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and all of the central Asian SSRs.

:D:p;)

That's ... ah ... ambitious. Even though I'm American and like the idea :):rolleyes:, just how would we acquire all that? And how in God's name would we keep it?
 
North and South California gives you one right there, no effort required. Nine to go.


how to do it without "bothering" other folks...

I'm trying to think off-hand of break-off movements of that nature, I've heard of sentiments for east/west Massachusetts (won't make it any easier to spell) and for north/south New Jersey, that's two more.

Make DC a state, voila, one extra.

(six more.)

A case could be made for splitting off some municipal areas from their mostly rural states...

"New York City" could, with Long Island included, make for an interesting state. Maybe.

ah, fooey.
 
Reading some of the suggestions on here I am somewhat surprised that nobody has mentioned the Moon or Mars.

Or maybe divide Florida into 'Florida' and 'Disney'.
 
Here are my proposals to get us up to 60 states. New states are marked with an asterisk (*). All of these are carved out of current US states and dependencies. The first seven proposals break up each of the seven most populous states as of 2010.

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California (CA)
Capital: Los Angeles
Region: southern California

*Sacramento (SA)
Capital: Sacramento
Region: northern California

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Texas (TX)
Capital: Dallas
Region: Texas north and east of the Colorado River

*Lincoln (LI)
Capital: Austin
Region: Texas south and west of the Colorado River

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New York (NY)
Capital: New York
Region: New York City metro area

*Albany (AN)
Capital: Albany
Region: New York outside the NYC metro area

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Florida (FL)
Capital: Tallahassee
Region: northern Florida (incl. Tampa)

*Miami (MM)
Capital: Miami
Region: southern Florida

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Illinois (IL)
Capital: Springfield
Region: Illinois outside the Chicago metro area

*Chicago (CH)
Capital: Chicago
Region: Chicago metro area

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Pennsylvania (PA)
Capital: Harrisburg
Region: eastern Pennsylvania

*Allegheny (AG)
Capital: Pittsburgh
Region: western Pennsylvania

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Ohio (OH)
Capital: Columbus
Region: southern Ohio

*Erie (ER)
Capital: Cleveland
Region: northern Ohio

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Virginia (VA)

Capital: Richmond
Region: Virginia outside the DC metro area

*Columbia (CB)
Capital: Washington
Region: District of Columbia plus the DC metro area in Virginia

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Oklahoma (OK)

Capital: Oklahoma City
Region: western Oklahoma

*Sequoyah (SQ)

Capital: Tulsa
Region: eastern Oklahoma

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*Puerto Rico (PR)
Capital: San Juan
Region: Puerto Rico plus the Virgin Islands (I'm uncertain why PR wouldn't be allowed here)

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Finally, the state of Hawaii subsumes Guam, American Samoa, and the Northern Mariana Islands, giving congressional representation to all US territory. What do you think?
 

Sior

Banned
Never happen except in a drug induced ASB's mind

USA provokes UK support of the CSA because of a very poor reaction to the Trent Incident.


The UK winds up joining the war against the United States in 1862. The Confederates don't do well, and only a rump Confederacy survives, but the US loses some territory to Canada. This creates a fierce rivalry between the United Kingdom and the United States.


This leads to two rounds of war with the United Kingdom, ultimately annexing all of Canada and all of the UK's colonies in North America. With different borders in the South and the UK's territorial holdings to turn into states, the US hits 60 states, but only after three wars on its own soil instead of one.
 
Several posters have mentioned Greenland.
One serious problem is the popupation, which is still less than 60000 (56415 as of jan/11), and didn't hit 30000 until the late fifties....

You could make it to 60k with a heavy military presense, but post 1989 the population could well drop below 60k again - can you dissolve a state if the population drops below 60000 ?
 
Assuming that the states keep their boundaries:

1. Guam,the Gilbert Islands, and Micronesia become the Pacific Islands (PI)
2. Okinawa and Iwo Jima (OI)
3. Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands become the Caribbean Islands (CI)
4. The Panama Canal Zone is admitted (CZ)
5. District of Colombia (DC)
6. Alberta (AB)
7. Saskatchewan (SK)
8. British Columbia & Yukon (BC)
9. Dominican Republic & Haiti as Hispaniola (HS)
10. Cuba (CU)
 
1. Cuba
2. Santo Domingo
3. Puerto Rico
4. Newfoundland
5. Greenland
6. Galagapos
7. Okinawa
8. Taiwan
9. Sicily
10. American Panama

:p
 
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