There is a Radical Left Party Front but no Right-wing equivalent

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  1. Euskadi Herria Banned

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  2. Leon Trotsky Well-Known Member

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    Fascism and alt-right rhetoric is STRICTLY P R O H I B I T E D here for obvious reasons, due to the fact they inherently seek to genocide another race, violently repress and sometimes even murder LGBT people and those opposed to discrimination against women, their inherently repressive measures against democracy, and their callous and wanton disregard for basic human rights and personal liberties. It even says so in the rules. Harassment, trolling, or unironically endorsing the far-right here is grounds for one-hit banning.

    An excerpt from the rules section of AH.COM:
    IMMEDIATE BANNING OFFENSES

    People can be banned for various reasons, but some are a lot more common than others. The following always result in immediate banning. Other things are decided on a case by case basis.

    - Support of Nazism
    - Holocaust denial
    - Advocating genocide or other mass murder

    - Threats to inflict "real life" harm, including lawsuits, on other members
    - Committing otherwise non-banning offenses using technology to conceal your IP address
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  3. Euskadi Herria Banned

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    Okay, thank you for your explanation. Though I will say that fascism (just for example, I myself am not a fascist, rather a monarchist) does not support Nazism, does not deny the Holocaust and doesn't advocate genocide or other mass murder. However, I am not going to say anything further. Is there any far-left offenses that could get you banned since communism is pretty nasty.

    I request that this thread isn't taken in the wrong way btw. Like I said, I am a monarchist; not a fascist, nazi etc.
     
  4. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    There have been bannings e.g. in cases where Mao's Cultural Revolution/"Great Leap Forward" was glorified. Or Stalinist purges. They also constitute mass murder after all, if not "genocide" (as these mass murders were not directed at a specific ethnicity or religion).
     
  5. RiverDelta Gwen, Gwen, the Mirror Gem

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    I think RyRy would be a good example of that, given that he's a literal Maoist.
     
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  6. New Hampshire Jimmy Dore Banned

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    Why is advocating race war worse than advocating class war? I.E. why would 'eat the rich' be any better than 'remove kebab'?
     
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  7. Euskadi Herria Banned

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    A valid point but its all down to personal perspective I suppose.
     
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  8. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    Did anybody say this?
     
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  9. Leon Trotsky Well-Known Member

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    In short, the reason why fascism or propagation of it here is banned is the following (Know you are a monarchist, but just because original Fascism is not exactly so race focused as Nazism doesn't change anything about the fact they go against human rights themselves):

    "Fascism is a form of radical, right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries. Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, socialism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

    Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war. The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens.

    Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.

    Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. Fascists advocate a statist corporatist economy, with the principal goal of achieving complete autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies."
    Tell me why exactly this one shouldn't be banned.
     
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    Jordan Peterson often makes the very valid point that society has a very concrete metric to showing when the "right" goes too far (ethnic/racial cleansing type of things) but none really to say when the "left" goes too far.
     
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  11. Leon Trotsky Well-Known Member

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    Totalitarianism of any kind is a great crime against humanity, whether leftwing or rightwing, so I am not sure what you exactly intend to accomplish by your earlier response. This is the exact reason why I oppose Cuba, the USSR, Albania or China for being essentially crude dictatorships that don't even follow their own doctrine of "abolishing the state towards communism" and instead degenerate to a bureaucratic monarchy or a weird mishmash of stalinist theocracy (As is the case of North Korea). My own country was left underdeveloped due to decades behind the Iron Curtain.
     
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    I dont want to get into this, this belongs in Chat, I was asking why ethnic cleansing is singled out as the single issue rather than referring to, as you say, totalitarianism or broad incitement of political violence.
     
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  13. RiverDelta Gwen, Gwen, the Mirror Gem

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    How are we defining 'political violence'? Is war political violence? Was the fight against the Nazis political violence? Are strikebreakers political violence?

    It's not exactly a particularly specific term.
     
  14. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    Actually the rules say EXACTLY the opposite of this. TRying to pass this off as an actual policy was... a bad thing.

    Kicked for a week.
     
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    But Leon Trotsky did quote the eight Ways to Crash Land. Of course, this does not mean that every advocating of fascism or the alt-right is an instaban, but what do you mean by "say exactly the opposite of this"?
     
  16. New Hampshire Jimmy Dore Banned

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    I agree, youre right. I dont think incitement towards political violence should be banned on the forum. As you say, things like the American Revolution were political violence - I would say theyre justified. I assumed incitement towards violence would be illegal, though. Undefined terms should be avoided.

    I think totalitarianism is a pretty well-defined term, though.
     
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  17. New Hampshire Jimmy Dore Banned

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    To answer the question, I think the answer is simply because nobody created one.
     
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  18. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    emphasis added

    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/forum-rules-and-guidelines.173163/

    See the difference?
     
  19. CalBear Your Ursus arctos californicus Moderator Moderator Donor

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    It isn't. Hence his being kicked for posting a heavily edited section of Board policy and passing it off as the real deal.
     
  20. New Hampshire Jimmy Dore Banned

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    Are you sure he was deliberetely misrepresenting the board policy, or was he perhaps just being mistaken and too quick to answer? To be honest, I was under the impression that advocating genocide was some sort of special case, as well.