Actually it depends on what the letters patent say , some titles go male line only but can backtrack the tree ie an uncle/cousin will get the title, some simply revert to the crown if no son, some even would go into abeyance and then go to first son born by a daughter, it depends on when the title was created/what the king at the time thought of the original holder.
This is on a title by title basis so its possible the two Dukedoms have different rules. Of course this can be overridden if the King says so in this era, so in practice its down to what ever Henry wants to do.
Oh that's fair, and to Henry the prospect of a younger nephew of his inheriting Wiltshire must be an attractive one.
 
Am I the only one that thinks Henry still won't like the marriage of Charles and Anne? Now his brother is getting his hands on even more land. He can be a real threat.
 
I suspect that Henry, would, at first, be quite happy for his younger brother - but I also suspect that he would be fertile ground for a whispering campaign against Charles and Anne. Especially if Eleanor is on board with it.
 
Am I the only one that thinks Henry still won't like the marriage of Charles and Anne? Now his brother is getting his hands on even more land. He can be a real threat.
Oh he's not happy by any means, but hea come to begrudgingly accept it. Charles, despite his complaints, doesn't want to be king or plot against his brother, and he doesn't quite have the Yorkist blood necessary to be too much of a threat, though the fact that he doesn't want to take part in plots is quite an important factor.
 
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I suspect that Henry, would, at first, be quite happy for his younger brother - but I also suspect that he would be fertile ground for a whispering campaign against Charles and Anne. Especially if Eleanor is on board with it.
Hmm well he'll be pleased that the Somerset lands won't have to be split as much between Charles's future heirs, but for once he and Eleanor have agreed on something, even if she's been much, much more extreme about it.
 
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I hope we see more of Carolajin. Maybe a scene of her and Henry. What does she feel about him? I wonder if having children has changed her loyalty to Elanor. The Queen wants her and them as far in the background as possible but surely Carolajin would want them acknowledged and honored with titles.
 
I hope we see more of Carolajin. Maybe a scene of her and Henry. What does she feel about him? I wonder if having children has changed her loyalty to Elanor. The Queen wants her and them as far in the background as possible but surely Carolajin would want them acknowledged and honored with titles.
Oh I'll certainly try to incorporate her more, I admit that I might have been neglecting my side characters a bit. For now she's not asking for too much as her only child is a daughter, but we'll see if there are any future disagreements such as in marriages for the girl... Thank you so much!
 
Oh I'll certainly try to incorporate her more, I admit that I might have been neglecting my side characters a bit. For now she's not asking for too much as her only child is a daughter, but we'll see if there are any future disagreements such as in marriages for the girl... Thank you so much!
Perhaps Eleanor could have the girl added to Lady Mary's household or something. That way she grows up being friendly with her half-sister and maybe it could be a way for Eleanor to keep Carolijn loyal ('I'll let your daughter live with mine and get her a good marriage one day as long as you remember your place'). Though admittedly I could also see Eleanor thinking that Mary is far too good to have a bastard for a playmate, and Mary is a bit older.
 
Perhaps Eleanor could have the girl added to Lady Mary's household or something. That way she grows up being friendly with her half-sister and maybe it could be a way for Eleanor to keep Carolijn loyal ('I'll let your daughter live with mine and get her a good marriage one day as long as you remember your place'). Though admittedly I could also see Eleanor thinking that Mary is far too good to have a bastard for a playmate, and Mary is a bit older.
Yeah though Caroljin is her friend, Eleanor does seem to believe that her children are too good to be too close to their bastard half-siblings, we'll see her reaction to such things eventually. Naturally, she is much less resentful of young Bridget than the others, yet she is still acutely aware of the status of her children.
 
"yet he sins by committing constant adultery? Has my brother no shame?” - only saying something about this now he's hit you in the wallet heh?

"Hugging the Countess, Giovanna would be her refuge in grief," - Giovanna is a good friend.
 
"yet he sins by committing constant adultery? Has my brother no shame?” - only saying something about this now he's hit you in the wallet heh?

"Hugging the Countess, Giovanna would be her refuge in grief," - Giovanna is a good friend.
Oh Charles didn't quite approve of it beforehand, but yes, he only felt like criticizing his brother after being fined :closedeyesmile:. Indeed Giovanna is a good friend, she and Elizabeth have always been there for each other, and she'll never stop trying to help her friend.
 
Chapter 139, October 1524
Coimbra, Kingdom of Portugal, October 1524

Kneeling on the floor, Catalina prayed, her rosary clutched between her fingers. To a casual observer, it may have seemed to be an ordinary day. Yet it was no ordinary day. As she whispered her voice was filled with desperation, for she prayed for the life of her niece and her unborn child.

Lord please, you have willed to take Joao and Catarina’s first child from them, do not take this one from them too. As for La Reina, spare her too, she is a good, Christian woman, ever humble and obedient to her husband and to you. My sister has suffered enough in her life, please do not make her bury her youngest girl. Most of all I ask you to spare them for Portugal, this land needs an heir, and a happy King, not a heartbroken widower.

The door to Catalina’s prayer closet swung open, it was Elvira de Mendoza, with an eager smile on her face,”Your Majesty, I have news of Her Majesty and her child.”

Lifting her black skirts the Dowager rose to her feet and asked,”What is it Elvira, are they alright?”

The other woman curtseyed before her,”Indeed they are, Her Majesty has given birth to a healthy daughter.”

“Then God has answered my prayers, I must come and see them.”

Making to leave the room, Elvira stopped her with a quick question,”Shall I awaken the Infanta Maria from her nap?”

Catalina of Aragon shook her head,”No, she needs her rest after her English lessons, she can meet her niece once they are both awake.”

Elvira curtseyed once more as Catalina walked out,”Si Majestad.”

The Dowager Queen of Portugal strode through the halls of the palace, her steps elegant against the stone floor, and she saw the courtiers within whisper among themselves, perhaps they had not been informed yet. She was tempted to do so but opted not to, it was not her prerogative to say anything that Joao hadn’t yet, for all she knew Catarina could be bleeding to death on her bed. The thought of that made her quicken her pace, and she soon found herself in the rooms assigned for the Queen’s confinement. They were not quite as palatial as those in Ribeira but they were grand nonetheless, and it would not do to have Catarina travel much before she birthed her child. Looking around, Catalina breathed a sigh of relief as she saw her niece happily gaze at the swaddled infant in her arms.

Turning towards her aunt, Catarina said,”I see you’ve come to meet the Princess of Portugal. She’ll be a Queen someday, whether of Portugal or some other land I am not yet sure…”

Looking down at the little pink-faced child, Catalina asked,”Has Joao met her yet?”

The Queen of Portugal nodded,”Yes he has. He said that she will be brought up as well educated as any boy, Beatriz will be ready for whatever life she leads.”

“That’s good, very good. I am glad to see that you’ve shown him that a woman can rule just as well as a man if she is properly prepared.”
 
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