Infanta Leonor, anyone? (After germaine’s grandmother/Ferdinand’s half sister 🥴)
There and Back Again: The English Journeys of Catherine of Aragon
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Indeed both of those would work as well, though I think Blanca makes more sense than Ana (idk why this is cited as a name for the stillborn twin of Infanta maria, it doesn’t seem to be based in any fact)
Blanca definitely makes more sense to me too.. My theory is that perhaps Isabella wanted to name the twin Ana after the virgin Mary's mother Anne, given Maria's name, not to mentoin when her daughter's tended to be pretty adamant about naming their children: Isabella with Miguel and Juana with Isabella (the latter was supposedly to slight Phillip and the French when Juana was displeased with both)
I think who Leonor is the best name. I often use Ana as name for Maria’s twin, because is a Spanish name with religious ties (but maybe Beatriz would be better as I was likely influenced by the later Habsburgs prevalence of that name in both Austria and Spain)
Matching names for twins...how original, Isabella 🙄
That’s interesting about Isabella of Austria...I wouldn’t think Juana would have to fight at all, given that philip’s grandmother and great grandmother on his mom’s side were named Isabella as well.
Yeah, I am seeing now why Ana makes sense. I thought the later Habsburg-Lorraine use of Beatrice came from Maria Beatrice of Modena? And when did the Spanish Habsburgs use Beatrice at all?
“That name” was Ana. Beatriz as replacement would make sense being the name of Queen Isabella’s maternal aunt
Still thinking well, I am pretty sure who someone else used Ana for a daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella before me
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Chapter 40, January 1511
Windsor Castle, Kingdom of England, January 1511
The corridor was filled with the typical noises; laughs, murmurs, and sighs as courtiers filtered their way out of the main hall. None of that concerned Giovanna, for it, was not words that she sought, but a particular face. She came upon said face quickly enough, that of a woman with pale skin, delicate features, and a rather haughty smirk fixed upon her face, as a young male courtier whispered into her ear.
“Mademoiselle Popincourt!” Giovanna called out
The woman bowed her head, light blonde hair jutting out from her black hood, one encrusted with pearls. The hood was something that a mere tutor should not be able to afford, at least without favor of a certain burly Prince. The Queen gave the woman a small nod, acknowledging her shallow show of humility. “Come with me Jane.” She beckoned.
She did so, inexpressively, if Jane was at all worried, she hid it well. The two soon entered the Queen’s chambers, their skirts flourishing through the air. As she sat at a chair near the roaring fire at one end of the room she dismissed her servants,”Please leave us, we have important matters to discuss.”
As the servants left the room, seemingly pleased that their work there was done Giovanna motioned to the chair across from her,”Sit.”
Jane did so, and as she settled in, Giovanna murmured,”I know about you and Prince Henry.”
Mademoiselle Popincourt’s mouth twitched at this, but she said nothing.
Giovanna continued,”I am not asking you to end things with him…”
The other woman raised an eyebrow,”Then what do you require of me?”
She gave her a simple answer,”Discretion… Remember, you must be an example of outwardly virtuous conduct to my stepdaughters’… Fail in that and you will be removed from your position.” She paused for a moment, clearing her throat,”Do you understand what I ask of you?”
Jane nodded,”I will try to be, I am most grateful for the lenience that you have shown your majesty.”
Giovanna smiled,”Good, now see to it that you conduct yourself honorably from now on…”
Indeed, she has very good reason to do so... Thank you very much!
Why do I have the horrible feeling that Henry is gonna knock up Jane... Would be ironic if Henry also has a son by a Jane TTL haha
Thank you, Giovanna dosen't necessarily mind her sleeping with Prince Henry, but she wants her to not yell it out for everyone to hear... She's 25 here, a few years older then Henry, and unlike him was not a virgin when she joined his bed...
Honestly I’m a fan of Henry having a bastard around this time because then the boy could marry one of Charlie Brandon’s older girls...
I have to agree, Giovanna seems like a firm but fair minded queen.
Thank you, Giovanna has learned to play the game well here, but we will have to see how she deals with the trials of the coming years...