I'm thinking Charles, since it was the name of her younger brother that died as a child...
There and Back Again: The English Journeys of Catherine of Aragon
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Charles Tudor, Duke of Somerset sounds very nice! Little Catherine Tudor and Charles of Burgundy could stand as godparents, so it could be after his godfather too.
I think those two would make fine godparents... Thank you! Perhaps another set of godparents (if there are four) could be Henry, Prince of Wales, and Eleanor of Burgundy/Austria....
Another potential godmother could be Margaret, Queen of Scotland, to boost her confidence after the Duke of Rothesay's death.
Lovely chapter - I loved the glimpse of the family dynamics.
Other possible names for the unborn child are Francis, for the Duke of Brittany who sheltered Henry in exile, Jasper for the uncle who practically raised him, or Joanna for her mother.
Lovely chapter - I loved the glimpse of the family dynamics.
Other possible names for the unborn child are Francis, for the Duke of Brittany who sheltered Henry in exile, Jasper for the uncle who practically raised him, or Joanna for her mother.
Joanna is already the name of the elder sister. Francis is a very unlikely name for the son of an English King and Margaret is already Hebry’s eldest daughter (and as this king had never reused the names of his dead children, I can not see him naming his daughter after her living half-sister).
Jasper is way too welsh but if Henry really want use it I guess can work, else Charles or Eleanor are the best options available
I'd forgotten they already had a Joanna, and I never suggested Margaret as a namesake, only as Godmother. If they want to take another name from the Yorkist side of the family, Anne or Bridget are still available. Not that there's anything wrong with Eleanor, I hasten to add! I am just throwing ideas out there!
I don't see why Francis or Jasper are that unlikely, particularly the latter. Henry was always keen to underline his Welsh heritage. But again, Charles works, just throwing ideas out there!
Thank you very much! As far as godparents, I'm thinking: Charles of Burgundy/Austria, his betrothed Catherine Tudor as well as James IV and Margaret Tudor, as you said to make Margaret happier... My top candidates for names are probably Eleanor or Charles... Jasper may be used in the next couple of decades though...
That makes sense! And tell me to stop if I'm getting too bossy. I just like naming characters, so I couldn't resist suggesting a few!
No worries, you aren't being bossy at all. I will never complain about suggestions, especially as they are good ones, and there will eventually be a few Tudor cadet branches....
Any son of Giovanna won't be as good as Henry, because he'd have no Yorkist blood so I'd say that Henry blamed Giovanna for impossible, as Giovanna had no Yorkist blood in her veins.
Still what fault had Henry for the fact who he was his father‘s only son? They were keeping him caged and wanted him feel guilty for needing some space.
A son of Giovanna would still be heir of Henry VII and while not good as Henry still a legitimate heir for England.
He did not have any fault for the fact that he was his father's only son, but he should understand why his father is desperate to keep him alive.
A son of Giovanna would be walking opportunity to restart WoTR and his elder half-sister was married to James IV with her son being heir to the Scottish throne. It's a recipe for a walking disaster.
You are both very right... Of course a son of Giovanna and Henry is not put forward as the heir, but the spare in case anything should happen... Also, while this wouldn't stop unrest if the younger Henry died, Henry VII based his claim on the throne on himself, which is he was crowned before he marrid Elizabeth, even though in practice she was essential for him to keep the throne. Thank you both for your input...
I know, I am not saying that HVII won't promote his son with Giovanna as PoW (heck if I was an Englishman living ITTL I'd support HVII-Giovanna son's rights over Margaret), I am only saying that Henry VII has reasons to be paranoid about Henry as he is the last person who stops war.
You are definitely right in this, though in his son's eyes he's going a bit too far.
If Giovanna gives him a living son I would imagine that Henry would be a bit less strict with his eldest son.. There will be no jousts but he may at least be able to go hunting ocassionally...
True, so let's hope that Giovanna would give HVII a living son.
Chapter 26, January 1509
Alcázar de los Reyes Cristianos, Kingdom of Castile, January 1509
Catalina was in her chair, reviewing a record of crime rates from the local magistrate in Córdoba, as well as requests for more funds for the local Santa Hermandad, when her chief lady, Maria de Salinas cleared her throat,”Highness, there is news from Aragon.”
“Is my father unwell?”
“No, they say he is fine spirits. Perhaps better than he has been for a long time…” Maria grimaced,” Queen Germaine is pregnant.”
Catalina pursed her lips, Much as I love my father and care for Germaine, this could ruin everything my parents fought for, if it is a living son, Castile and Aragon will be divided once more, and we will be easy prey for the French. Still, diplomatic niceties were required and she replied with a cool tone,”This evening I will write them a letter, congratulating them on this… development…”
The young woman nodded but stood as if she had something else to say, she never saw Maria so tense, and she turned to her,”What is it that you need Maria? Does something trouble you?”
Maria gave her a nervous smile,”I… I would like to marry a man, Catalina…”
She kept a neutral expression, she supposed it was to be expected, Maria was nearly nineteen, but Catalina did not want her friend to leave her household,”Who is it? If he is to marry you, he must be of upstanding character.”
Maria de Salinas blushed a little,”Gabriel Fernández Manrique, the second son of the Count of Osorno… He possesses great integrity and bravery, he served as a knight against the Mudéjar rebels two years ago.”
He sounded like a fine man, but Catalina continued her line of questioning,”How old is he? I would not have you marry someone that is old…”
“He is about a year younger than you Catalina and turns twenty-three this October.”
Catalina thought this over for a moment and then nodded,”Very well then, you two shall be wed this summer. But I would like you to continue to serve as my lady, so I will offer Gabriel a position in my household. As you know my current steward, Don Enríquez is very old and, suffering from gout and wishes to return to his estate in Molina. I will retire Bermudo from my service and replace him with your Gabriel.”
Maria bowed, with a smile that ran ear-to-ear,”Thank you, Catalina, you have been a very loyal friend to me, and I truly appreciate it.”
“I merely return the loyalty you have given to me.”
As Maria moved back to work on her translations, Catalina said,”As an early wedding gift, I would like to offer your youngest sister Aldonza a place as my lady. I think it fitting considering that you serve me, while your mother serves my sister Juana… Aldonza has just come of age has she not?”
“Yes, she just turned fifteen last August. I am very grateful for your kindness, and I trust she will be as well.”
Catalina nodded, and scratched her quill against the parchment, approving the request for funds to combat banditry, she did feel in a rather giving mood now that her childhood friend has found love, and hoped, that perhaps one day, when her services as regent were no longer required, that she could find a gallant husband for herself.
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Ooo...I wonder how germaine’s pregnancy will turn out. Nice to see that Catalina is still close with Maria de Salinas
We'll have to see how it turns out, but let's just say that a living son would be very problematic for Catalina's ambitions of a united Spain... I couldn't resist the opportunity to throw Maria in, considering that she served Catalina for most of her life IOTL so I figured that wouldn't change much here... Thank you very much!