Theodore Roosevelt, Progressive, elected US President in 1912

Very interesting timeline. Just a question (as a non-American here); in the early 20th century, what was the difference between Democrat progressives and Republican progressives.

I'm assuming that the Democratic progressives were descendants of the Populists and were rural as opposed to the urban Republican progressives. What the main differences in policy and worldview between them?
 
A few points:

1) Progressives and Populists are really quite different in origin. Progressives were typically urban, middle-class, reformers more intent on political than economic rights (depending on how one classifies social-democratic measures). Populists were typically rural and more focused on economic than political reform. A major exception comes from the Great Lakes states, which were progressive despite a relatively rural character. Nonetheless, the difference between the two groups was profound: progressives, for example, typically favored civil rights for minorities (well, some of them anyway) while populists included Southern supremacists among their ranks. Progressive Democrats, IIRC, are mostly union workers and immigrants, attracted by the Democratic Party's long-standing support of immigrants and off-put by the GOP stalwart's support of industry. The easiest way to describe the difference then between a Progressive Republican and a Progressive Democrat is to contrast Teddy Roosevelt with Franklin Roosevelt. However, as time went on (and particularly as the concerns of rural voters began to shift and to diminish in relative power vis-a-vis urban workers) Progressives and Populists sometimes seemed to blend together.

2) Strictly speaking the Federal Government lacks the power to set a the standard by which the states should apportion their electoral votes. Article II, Section 1: "Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors...". The power granted Congress is only to "determine the time of the chusing of Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States." Now, a Progressive Congress might choose to interpret the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment (and its enforcement clause) to grant Congress the power to ensure that all votes are equal in Presidential elections, or some such, but such an argument TTL would never have been made as regards the extent of the Equal Protection Clause, nor its application against the States. Far better IMO to have a Constitutional Amendment to grant Congress the ability to make federal election laws regulating the matter (as well as such things as creating uniform standards of ballots and times of registration--these would also make for good pro-civil rights measures).

3) I think you're severely over-estimating the potential support for some of the Progressives programs, or at least under-estimating the opposition. A backlash should be brewing in some form or another.
 
i like the TL but it's a little rosey, however give all LBJ or FDR got done it's not impossable, but there MUST be a major back lash shortly, (think Reagan 80's)
 
Progressivism was the political buzz word at the time, and was the shaping device of late 19th/ early 20th Century America. Of course there would be some backlash, but I don't think anything major nor anything on the scale of a pre-born "Reagan Revolution" (which I think is overhyped as a changing force, but that's besides the point). Perhaps Civil Rights policy and international policy (isolationism was popular to much of the populace at this time) could have caused some backlash, but anything else would have been well recieved in this era in my opinion.
 
Archangel, I accept your corrections.

Originally posted by General Mung Beans:

I would think that legislation to ban devices such as poll taxes and literacy tests which deprive black people of the vote would be widely accepted, at least outside the South. As to the Justice for Negroes Act, its enforcement is left to each state. This provision was added in order to ensure that it passed Congress without Democrat opposition. Though of course appointments to the federal administration are made by the President.

The biggest surprise of President Hiram Johnson's new cabinet is the appointment of Herbert Hoover as Secretary of State. Hoover is not a Progressive. In fact, he is an independent. Harold Ickes is appointed Secretary of the Treasury and Jane Addams becomes Secretary of Social Welfare.

1921 and 1922: Legislation is passed which makes lynching a federal crime and established an anti-lynching department in the Department of Justice. A bill to outlaw state laws against inter-racial marriage is defeated in the Democrat controlled Senate.

The Social Security Act 1921 establishes unemployment insurance and old age pensions financed by payroll contributions to an independent insurance fund. The Women and Children Welfare Act 1921 establishes non-contributory pensions for women who have not been in paid work and financial allowances for children, payable if both of their parents are not in paid work.

The administration's proposal to establish a system of compulsory health insurance administered by non-profit making organisations is bogged down in the House of Representatives.

A system of financial regulation of the banking industry is established.

After an initial period of neutrality, the Democrats in Congress bitterly oppose the Electoral College Reform Bill and the Congressional Elections Voting Reform Bill which they condemn as Progressive and Republican gerrymandering. The first bill passes the Senate only by the casting vote of the Vice-President. One Democratic Senator having died. The second bill passes the Senate by one vote because of the abstention of two Democratic senators. Both bills have the firm support of Progressives and Republicans.

An excellent TL you have going on there. It looks like American society is advancing half a century faster than OTL!
 
A few points:

1) Progressives and Populists are really quite different in origin. Progressives were typically urban, middle-class, reformers more intent on political than economic rights (depending on how one classifies social-democratic measures). Populists were typically rural and more focused on economic than political reform. A major exception comes from the Great Lakes states, which were progressive despite a relatively rural character. Nonetheless, the difference between the two groups was profound: progressives, for example, typically favored civil rights for minorities (well, some of them anyway) while populists included Southern supremacists among their ranks. Progressive Democrats, IIRC, are mostly union workers and immigrants, attracted by the Democratic Party's long-standing support of immigrants and off-put by the GOP stalwart's support of industry. The easiest way to describe the difference then between a Progressive Republican and a Progressive Democrat is to contrast Teddy Roosevelt with Franklin Roosevelt. However, as time went on (and particularly as the concerns of rural voters began to shift and to diminish in relative power vis-a-vis urban workers) Progressives and Populists sometimes seemed to blend together.

2) Strictly speaking the Federal Government lacks the power to set a the standard by which the states should apportion their electoral votes. Article II, Section 1: "Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of Electors...". The power granted Congress is only to "determine the time of the chusing of Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States." Now, a Progressive Congress might choose to interpret the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment (and its enforcement clause) to grant Congress the power to ensure that all votes are equal in Presidential elections, or some such, but such an argument TTL would never have been made as regards the extent of the Equal Protection Clause, nor its application against the States. Far better IMO to have a Constitutional Amendment to grant Congress the ability to make federal election laws regulating the matter (as well as such things as creating uniform standards of ballots and times of registration--these would also make for good pro-civil rights measures).

3) I think you're severely over-estimating the potential support for some of the Progressives programs, or at least under-estimating the opposition. A backlash should be brewing in some form or another.

1) Thanks for explaining the difference between Progressives and Populists.

3) I agree that this ATL is under-estimating the backlash against Progressive programs. Even under the exceptional circumstances of the Great Depression, the New Deal caused such controversy and opposition and I can only think it would more so at this time.
 
Originally posted by Nicomacheus:
Strictly speaking the Federal Government lacks the power to set the standard by which the states should apportion the electoral votes. [...] Far better IMO to have a Constitutional Amendment to grant Congress the ability to make federal election laws regulating the matter

The Johnson administration decides not to proceed with such a constitutional amendment because it knows it does not have enough support for it. They intend to make it an issue in the 1924 election. However the Act mandating the Alternative Vote for congressional elections is passed in 1922.

By the winter of 1920/1921 the campaign for Prohibition has widespread
support in the Progressive Party. It appeals to the social paternalist wing of the party. However leading members of the administration who drink moderately don't want to deny the rest of the nation what they enjoy themselves. The Republican Party is broadly in favour of Prohibition and the Democratic Party divided on the issue.

The cause of Prohibition is badly damaged when on one cold February night a leading campaigner for the cause is found dead drunk in a notorious bar in Chicago frequented by gangsters and prostitutes. Few people believe his vehement protestations that he had been drugged and brought there by his enemies, and his credibility is further damaged when one of the women says that he is a regular client of hers. The bar staff affirm that they often see him there. He says that they and the woman have been bribed or intimidated.

There is not enough support in Congress for a Prohibitionist amendment to the Constitution.

In 1921 and 1922, like voices in the distance at first faint then growing louder, there is increasing discussion about a union of the Progressive and Republican Parties.

The political spectrum reads from left to right: Socialist, Progressive, Republican, Democrat. Some liberal Republicans have stayed in the party and not defected to the Progressives. In Congress most Republicans vote more often with the Progressives than with the Democrats. Theoretically an alliance of Progressives (153 seats) and Republicans (79 seats) has a majority over the Democrats (203 seats) in the House of Representatives. In the contest for Speaker a moderate Democrat is elected over the Progressive nominee because a substantial number of Republicans abstain or vote for the Democrat, to show their independence of the other two parties. However the Progressives and Republican combine to make the chairmanship of committees proportionate to the party composition in the House.

The two parties are allied on electoral reform and on Civil Rights. They are both opposed to the Bossism in the Democratic Party. They compete for first and second place in much of New England, though with the Democrats fast advancing. In Massachusetts in 1920, Johnson won by only 563 votes over Lodge, who was 1,637 votes ahead of Cox.

Country club Republicans occassionally vote Progressive, but would never vote Democrat. Also the Republican Party is more favourable to woman than the Democrats, though less so than the Progressives. The NACW (National Association of Colored Women) endorsed Johnson in 1920, but in Congressional and state and local contests it supports Progressive and Republican candidates.

Each party has three main strands of opinion regarding union. The two smallest groups are those who are against it "in my lifetime" and those who want it yesterday. Most members of each party believe that union can happen only if the terms are right, and it is widely accepted in both parties. It is an organic process which is far better to take gradually than rush into a botched and hasty union which is resented by many members of each party.

The name of any united party is also a cause of contention. Each party will never agree that its name should be that of the other party. The Progressives don't want to appear as a rebel faction returning repentant to the mother party. The Republicans don't want to be swallowed up by the larger party. However among Progressives who left the Republicans in 1912 or later, and perhaps held office in that party, there is an emotional pull to the party of their younger years. While Republicans console themselves that they have remained true to their principles, they know that they might have been office holders in Progressive administrations, without an entirely unacceptable tweaking of those principles.

Each party continues as independent entities and contests all elections. But there formre unofficial alliances with each other in Congress and at state and local level.
The 1922 midterm elections are contested using the Alternative Vote. The Democrats campaign strongly for an overall majority in the House and to increase their wafer-thin Senate majority. The results are as follows:

House of Representatives: Democrat 228 (+25)
Progressive 115 (-38)
Republican 76 (-3)
Socialist 16 (+16)

Senate: Democrat 51 (+2)
Progressive 30 (-1)
Republican 15 (-1)

The overwhelming majority of Progressives gave their second preference votes to Republican or Socialist candidates. Most Republicans gave their second preference votes to Progressive candidates. The great majority of Democrats voted for their party candidate only. The main effect of the new voting system is that House seats held by the Progressives with a small majority over the Democrats and where the Republicans or Socialists were a poor third place, were gained by the Democrats. But Progressives and Republicans held seats where the other party was a strong third place, even though they had a small majority over the Democrats. The Socialists gained 16 seats from the Democrats because of the second preference votes of third placed Progressives. The Alternative Vote had less effect in Senate elections.

The socialist contingent to the House comprises representatives from the following states: California 3, Illinois 4, Michigan 1, Minnesota 2, Oklahoma 1, Ohio 1, Pennsylvania 2, Texas 1, Wisconsin 1. It includes three women.

The Democrats believe strongly that the Alternative Vote has cheated them of a larger majority in the House and possibly the Senate.

The Disarmament Conference met in Paris from April to July 1922. It is attended by delegations from Austria-Hungary, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, and the United States. There is no delegation from Bolshevik Russia. The Conference's agreement to sweeping arms reductions is opposed by the delegation of the fascist Italian government of Benito Mussolini. Italy is disappointed that it made no territorial gains from the Great War in spite of the promises of Britain and France. In an impassioned speech to the conference Mattias Erzebeger, the Geman Chancellor, declares that Germany will never again wage aggressive war; that the Germany of militarism and Prussianism is no more; that his country desires only to take its rightful place among the nations - not in inferiority or superiority but in equality, peace and brotherhood. He expressed his sincere apologies for atrocities committed by German forces in the Great War, but while individual Germans are guilty of wartime atrocities and a German government has waged aggressive war, he totally repudiates all idea of collective German guilt. His suggestion that a commission is established under League of Nations auspices which will investigate atrocities by the armed forces of all combatant nations in the war, and order the payment of compensation where appropriate, is accepted by the Conference, with the exception of Italy. He is given a standing ovation. The Conference ends with a performance of Mozart's Mass in C Minor and Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. Herbert Hoover the US Secretary of State says that he is extremely pleased with the result of the Conference, as a Quaker peace is very dear to his heart.
 
In mid September 1923, Herbert Hoover, who is still an Independent, resigns as Secretary of State. He denies that this is because of any policy difference with the Johnson administration. The President pays tribute to his outstnding record of service in organising relief work during and after the Great War and as Secretary of State. His successor at the State Department is Charles Evans Hughes.

Hoover's resignation sparks a flurry of newspaper speculation about his future political ambitions and what party, if any, he will join. He is courted by Progressives and Republicans.

At the begining of December he announces that he has joined the Republican Party. He denies that this is a snub to President Johnson and that he is proud to have had the privilege of serving in the administration of a good friend and a truly great president. He says that he gave a good deal of thought to his decision and that the Republican Party best reflects his belief in fiscally responsible liberalism. In reply to a question about a possible union of the Progressive and Republican parties, he says that speaking personally he is in favour of it, when the time is right, but any decision on that matter is a matter for the members of both parties. Though one can certainly reject any idea that Hoover is the trojan horse in the GOP of those Progressives who want union with that party, there is little doubt that it brings it just a little bit nearer. He says that he has no plans to run for President of the United States.

1924 is election year. At their convention the Progressive Party nominates Hiram Johnson for President and Robert la Follette for Vice-President. The Democrats nominate James M. Cox for President and Alfred (Al) Smith for Vice-President.

In the first three or four Republican primaries no front runner emerges out of a somewhat undistinguished field. The two leading runners are Massachusetts Governor, Calvin Coolidge; and liberal Republican Senator for Nebrasaka, George W. Norris.

There is growing clamour by Republicans for Herbert Hoover to run for President. He announces that after careful thought he will contest the Republican primaries as candidate for President. He wins most of the remaining primaries, including California by a landslide, though Coolidge wins in Massachusetts and Norris in Nebraska. He comes to the convention with the largest number of delegates, though not an overall majority. After several ballots, George Norris releases his delegates whose votes for Hoover give him a majority. The convention nominates Norris as his running mate.

Conservative Republicans are disappointed with their party's all liberal ticket. It is thought that they will sit out the presidential election or vote Democrat. It is widely thought that the Republicans are trying hard to attract the Progressive vote.

In the election campaign, the Democrats attack the Progressive record of creeping socialism and economic incompetence. Inflation has risen to over 4 percent. They promise to get the federal government out of people's lives and to repeal the Alternative Vote Act. They emphasise that after 28 years of Republican and Progressive administrations it is time for the Democrats. They praise Hoover, but say that votes for him are wasted because he will not be elected President.

The Progressives run on their achievements of twelve years of social and political reform and in helping to build world peace. Their attitude towards Hoover is basically the same as the Democrats.

The Republicans' main asset is Herbert Hoover - the Great Humanitarian. They ask for a large vote as an expression of support for the enduring principles of Republicanism, and as a psychological restraint on the excesses of a future Democrat or Progressive administration. However their and the Progressives' campaigns are repeatedly sidetracked by the question of a possible union of the two parties.

The Progressives and Republicans insist that Al Smith's Roman Catholicism is not an issue.

The results are as widely expected. James M. Cox becomes the first Democrat to be elected President since Grover Cleveland in 1892. The electoral college votes are as follows:

Cox (Democrat) 352 votes
Johnson (Progressive) 148 votes
Hoover (Republican) 31 votes.

It is thought that while conservative Republicans abstained or voted for Cox, some Progressives voted for Hoover, and in close Democrat/Progressive states Republicans voted for Johnson. For example, the collapse of the Republican vote in California enabled Johnson to take that state with a narrow majority, and the fall in the Progressive vote in Connecticut and Rhode Island won those states for Hoover. However Cox took Massachusetts.

The results of the Congressional elections are as follows:

House of Representatives: Democrat 237 (+9)
Progressive 104 (-11)
Republican 78 (+2)
Socialist 16 (unchanged)

Because all the socialist congressmen were running for re-election they had the advantage of incumbency.

Senate: Democrat 53 (+2)
Progressive 28 (-2)
Republican 15 (unchanged)
 
the Progressives are like New Deal Democrats, the GOP is like todays Dems, and the Dems are like the Romney/Giuliani part of the GOP
I believe that would probably be more like:
The Progressives are like New Deal Democrats (the part of the political spectrum that became Democratic after 1896), the GOP is like today's Clinton Dems (the NDC) and the Romney/Giuliani part of the GOP, and the Dems are like the GOP to the right of Romney along with the more socially conservative modern-day democrats (Blue Dogs, IIRC).
 
Are the Progressives really going to have any luck getting many of these things past what is still a pretty conservative Supreme Court?
 
Originally posted by Jaded_Railman
Are the Progressives really going to have any luck getting many of these things past what is still a pretty conservative Supreme Court?

In this ATL Roosevelt and Johnson appoint lberal/progressive justices to the Supreme Court when places fall vacant.

Summary of important events in Europe:

In 1919 Alsace-Lorraine returns to France after a plebiscite shows a more than 5 to 1 majority in favour.

In !920 German Poland and Austrian Poland are united to the republic of Poland after plebiscites show large majorities in favour.

Emperor Karl I of Austria dies on April I 1922 (as in OTL). He is suceeded by Crown Prince Otto who assumes the title of Emperor Otto I. Because he is aged 10 his mother, Queen Zita, acts as Regent. Tomas Masaryk is Chancellor.

Since the end of the Great War in 1917, the Hungarian 'half' of the Empire has become increasingly dissatisfied in an Empire in which they perceive the Austrians and Czechs as having too much power. By 1922, the Magyar Independence Party is the largest party in Hungary.

On September 12, 1922 Serbian troops cross the Danube in a bid to annex the Hungarian province of Vojvodina and advance quickly. The Imperial government sends troops, but after a several defeats by the Serbs, it asks for a ceasefire on October 19, 1922. Under the terms of the ceasefire, all armed forces are to withdrawn from the province and a plebiscite is to be held under League of Nations auspices in April 1923, on the future of the province.

Imperial troops withdraw, as do Serbian troops. However the Serbian troops reappear as armed 'volunteers' who are an intimidatory presence in the province during the plebiscite. The result of which is a vote of 73.2 percent in favour of joining Serbia. The Imperial government accepts this result.

The Hungarians are incensed at what they perceive is the failure of the Austrian and Czech controlled Imperial government to protect their country. There are riots in Budapest and other Hungarian cities in which dozens of people are killed or injured. On June 5, 1923, the Hungarians declare their independence as a democratic republic. This act is accepted by the Imperial government. By an agreement signed at a conference in Zagreb on June 16, 1923, the Austrian and Hungarian parts of the Empire become independent states.

These events mean that Bohemia and Moravia are now of greater importance in the Austrian Empire. It is widely thought that the name 'Austria' does not reflect its reality. After discussion of various alternative names, it becomes the Empire of the Austrians and Bohemians (Austro-Bohemian Empire) on January 1, 1924. Vienna and Prague are designated as joint capitals.

On April 14, 1924 as Matthias Erzeberger, the German Chancellor, is leaving Munich Town Hall and is about to get into his official car, a group of 15 to 20 armed men open fire on him and his body guards. He is mortally wounded and several of his bodyguards are also killed. The armed gang make their get away. They belong to the armed wing of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Wilhelm Marx becomes Chancellor of Germany.

In January 1925, Fiorello La Guardia of New York becomes Progressive Minority Leader in the House of Representatives, and Jeanette Rankin of Manitoba becomes the leading Progressive Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee.

After the 1924 election, demand grows among Progressives and Republicans for a decision to be made on a union of the two parties. In early April 1925, an editorial in the Chicago Tribune declares that after a four-year courtship, it is time for them to get married. In June, conventions of the two parties each elect 10 delegates who form a committee to investigate union.

It is realised that union requires a degree of compromise, but each party shares a common belief in basic liberal and progressive values. When it is reported in the newspapers that the committee is unable to agree on the name of the united party (Progressive Republican Party or Republican Progressive), a Republican writes to the New York Times suggesting the name 'Liberal'. This suggestion is taken up by other Republicans and by Progressives. It is also suggested that a brown bear is the emblem of the new party.

At the special Progressive and Republican conventions in Philadelphia and Boston respectively in the first week of September, the decision to dissolve their parties and unite as the Liberal Party, is taken by 97.8 percent of the Progressives and 82.3 percent of the Republicans. The new party emblem of a brown bear is also chosen by very large majorities of each party.

Later in September, at a special convention of Progressives and Republicans in Chicago, the two parties are declared formally dissolved, and the Liberal Party is launched to scenes of wild enthusiasm. A brown bear is chosen as the new party's emblem.
 
Speaking in Europeans terms, the Progressives, based on their program, sound more like a coalition of Social-Democrats, Social Liberals, and Centrists, so even if they absorbed the Socialists and the Populist wing of the Democrats, they would be a very moderately centre-left party.

Note that one unique feature of American ideology is the existence of a large non-ideological group, "progressives", that care more about making things work and act against rather than in favour of things.

In the early 20th century, they were basically anti-corporate; in the late 20th century they were basically anti-government (Perot '92 voters).

Essentially they'll vote for reformers regardless of ideology. Newt Gingrich exploited that to (along with Southern demographic changes) win the '94 midterms.

They are neither left nor right nor moderates—they are concerned simply with how things work, and are opposed to things they feel don't work.

The progressives of that era and later supported the Republican Party at Presidential level elections forcing their choice for President on a Republican Party that was far more conservative—in the Taft, small government, balanced budget way—than them.

IOTL that ended with Goldwater, marginalizing the Liberal Republican Eastern supporters until they eventually went to the Democrats, and setting the progressives adrift.

At the special Progressive and Republican conventions in Philadelphia and Boston respectively in the first week of September, the decision to dissolve their parties and unite as the Liberal Party, is taken by 97.8 percent of the Progressives and 82.3 percent of the Republicans. The new party emblem of a brown bear is also chosen by very large majorities of each party.

I don't think they'd pick "Liberal" Party.

Not least because the remaining Republicans are quite conservative. Perhaps revive Federalist Party? It fits better, in my opinion, than Liberal—since neither progressives nor the rump Republican Party fits liberal (although some elements of the Progressive Party are certainly liberal).

Wiki said:
These supporters grew into the Federalist Party, which wanted a fiscally sound and strong nationalistic government

If you could define "progressive" not merely as anti-corporate, you could convince the Republicans to merge. Otherwise… not so much.
 
I think Roosevelt's best chances are for the Democratic party to implode as well. Say for whatever reason the Democrats don't go with dark horse Wilson, and instead the convention is deadlocked between Champ Clark and William Jennings Bryan. The eventual winner is Clark after alot of dirt throwing. Bryan, vindictive and sensing an opportunity from the divided Republicans, decides to accept the Populist Party nomination again, and leads his faction into the Populist Party.

So you have a 4-way election between Clark, Bryan, Taft, and Roosevelt. And Debs. The likelihood of anyone getting the minimum electoral votes is up in the air. You very well might get another President chosen by the House of Reps.

But Roosevelt has a better chance then he did.
 
Note that one unique feature of American ideology is the existence of a large non-ideological group, "progressives", that care more about making things work and act against rather than in favour of things.

In the early 20th century, they were basically anti-corporate; in the late 20th century they were basically anti-government (Perot '92 voters).

Essentially they'll vote for reformers regardless of ideology. Newt Gingrich exploited that to (along with Southern demographic changes) win the '94 midterms.

They are neither left nor right nor moderates—they are concerned simply with how things work, and are opposed to things they feel don't work.

The progressives of that era and later supported the Republican Party at Presidential level elections forcing their choice for President on a Republican Party that was far more conservative—in the Taft, small government, balanced budget way—than them.

IOTL that ended with Goldwater, marginalizing the Liberal Republican Eastern supporters until they eventually went to the Democrats, and setting the progressives adrift.



I don't think they'd pick "Liberal" Party.

Not least because the remaining Republicans are quite conservative. Perhaps revive Federalist Party? It fits better, in my opinion, than Liberal—since neither progressives nor the rump Republican Party fits liberal (although some elements of the Progressive Party are certainly liberal).



If you could define "progressive" not merely as anti-corporate, you could convince the Republicans to merge. Otherwise… not so much.

So Progressives would be basically anti-Establishment, in a way that even social democrats at the time wouldn't be (who often of course then became part of the Establishment)?

Also wouldn't Progressives, ie a non-ideological group of politicians and voters exist in most democracies? For instance in the UK some of the right of the Labour Party and the left of the Conservative Party? Of course they wouldn't be called Progressives, but the general idea is the same. New Labour at present and the One Nation Tories of the 1950's are both groups of polticians (and their supporters) who are fairly non-ideological and don't have their political stances determined by a structured set of beliefs in the way that for Clement Attlee and Margaret Thatcher they were.

Of course, that totally off-topic, it's just that I was wondering if similar gropus can be found in other nations, just not under the Progressive name.
 
Originally posted by Electric Monk
I don't think they would pick "Liberal" Party.

Not least because the remaining Republicans are quite conservative. Perhaps revive Federalist Party?

I think it is very unlikely that anyone would revive a party name which had been defunct for over a century.

Most conservative Republicans interpret the word "Liberal" in a conservative sense. In OTL Hoover described himself as a liberal, and Von Hayek wrote an essay entitled Why I am not a Conservative.

In this ATL about 15 percent percent of the former Republican Party are opposed to the new Liberal Party. However they have no leader who will organise them into a conservative party. About 10 percent of the party defect to the Democrats. 8 congressmen and one senator do so.

In 1925, the Democrat controlled Congress repeals the Alternative Vote Act for congressional elections and restores the majority vote (First Past the Post) method of election.

Because of general economic prosperity and satisfaction with the Cox administration, the Democrats do reasonably well in the midterm elections.
The results are as follows:

House of Representatives: Democrat 245
Liberal 187
Socialist 3

Senate: Democrat 52
Liberal 44

Thirteen Socialist congressmen and women lost their seats because of the restoration of the majority vote method. Of the surviving three socialists, two are from California and one is from Minnesota.

Herbert Hoover is elected Governor of Pennsylvania as a Liberal.

In Germany in June 1925, the Kaiser Wilhelm III and his father, the previous Kaiser, are discovered plotting with extreme right wing nationalists to overthrow the democratic government and instal a nationalist right wing dictatorship. The government offers them the choice of close arrest in a remote country house in East Prussia or permanent exile in a country of their choice. They choose exile in The Netherlands.

In May 1927, Benito Mussolini, the Fascist Italian 'Duce', launches invasions of the Austro-Bohemian territories of Trentino Alto-Adige in the Alps, and the Istrian peninsula. After initial successes due to surprise, the the Italian advance is halted. The Austro-Bohemians win several victories and by the end of September the Italians are driven back to Italy and this summer war is over. The League of Nations rejects the Italian proposal for plebiscites in the disputed territories. Any possibility that Serbia would attack Austro-Bohemia from the east and south is neutralised by the knowledge that if they did so, Serbia would be attacked by a Hungary thirsting for revenge for the loss of Vojvodina.

President Cox and Vice-President Smith attract little opposition for the Democratic Party nomination in 1928.

On the Liberal side, Herbert Hoover announces in October 1927, that he will not seek his party's nomination for President the following year. The Liberal contenders for their party's nomination for President are (in alphabetical order) Willism Borah, Charles Curtis, Fiorella La Guardia, George W. Norris and Jeanette Rankin.

Jeanette Rankin candidacy attracts opposition and ridicule from conservatives and/or misogynists. But she receives fervent support, particularly from feminists and the more leftwing Liberals. Congresswoman Edith Nourse Rogers is prominent in her campaign. She does not win any primaries except for her home state of Montana, but comes second in Minnesota and Wisconsin and a good third place in several other states. At the Lberal Party convention, Curtis is nominated as candidate for President and La Guardia as candidate for Vice President. The delegates hope that La Guardia will attract the Italian vote, particularly in New York state.

After a rather dull election campaign, Cox and Smith are reelected by a landslide because of the general economic prosperity of the country. The results are as follows:

James M. Cox and Alfred R. Smith (Democrat) 380 electoral votes
Charles Curtis and Fiorella La Guardia (Liberal) 151 electoral votes.

Congressional election results are:

House of Representatives: Democrat 252
Liberal 183

Senate: Democrat 53
Liberal 43

All the socialist congressmen lose their seats.
 
I forgot to say in my previous message that after the discovery of the Kaiser's involvement in the plot to overthrow the government, Germany becomes a republic with an elected President.

The candidates in the Presidential election of August 1925 are Paul Von Hindenburg for the rightwing, Nationalist parties; Prince Max of Baden for the Social Democrats, Centre and liberal parties; and Rosa Luxembourg for the Left Socialists and Communists. Hindenburg is elected President.
 
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