The Yankee Dominion: A Map and World Building Project

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  1. ST15RM Ich bin ein AH.commer!

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    I could fill in a NJ map once ridings for it are done.
     
  5. Oryxslayer Electoral Calculator

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    Just to note, any Mid-Atlantic state will take time. This is either because of its natural size (NY) or because I need to calc all our pop movement to a much finer level then before.
     
  6. ST15RM Ich bin ein AH.commer!

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    @Oryxslayer I want your 2 cents on this:
    How do you think China should end up?
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    should it be permanently balkanized like this?
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    should it be semi-balkanized like this? (2 options here)
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    should the Han part reunify?

    Or something entirely different?
     
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    EVEN MOAR LORE!!!!

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    Perhaps one of the most influential silent films, Fritz Lang's Metropolis told a grim version of the future, with the ruling class living a life of luxury, while the poor toil to operate the vast machines that run the city. It was met with some (a lot of) controversy. The German public was "meh" about it, but the government was so concerned about the film's subtext that they banned the film there, massively hurt the film's potential for a box office hit. However, Recently socialist Italy reacted in the opposite way. Mussolini called the work "...proof that the bourgeoisie's days are numbered. We must wake up before this film becomes reality." In fact, the government secretly offered Lang safe haven in Italy (They even got me a villa in the Piedmont, he later said) which he accepted.
     
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  8. Oryxslayer Electoral Calculator

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  9. Codae Well-Known Member

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    OTL 2010 numbers for Indiana, based on a DRA approximation:

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            Total   White   Black    Hisp   Asian  Native   Other
    Total 9302845 6053453 2447868  483835  151917   40598  125174
    Ala   4198951 2817036 1088898  167869   45862   22798   56488
    Geor  2604087 1855676  351442  254575   88972    5824   47598
    Miss  2499807 1380741 1007528   61391   17083   11976   21088
    
    The county-by-county Census data are conveniently listed here*, but that's not directly comparable because it doesn't exclude Hispanics from the racial groups. Also, I'm not completely sure what Dave did with the Pacific Islanders.

    I imagine that the practice of different ethnic groups electing different seats originated in Georgia, as a way of ameliorating the effects of the tide of Cajuns by separating Protestant and Catholic representation. This was copied by Indiana when it split off, also granting seats to the major tribes of the area. Throw in some 20th-century reforms, like "combine the French and English white blocks (except in some areas)" and "institute a black block" and "stick people who can't or prefer not to fit into the lists in an additional class", and this could get fun to map.

    *To actually get back to the data, do an advanced search for "GCT-PL1" and choose the third result.
     
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  10. Wolfram Fair to middlin'

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    Native representation ought to be a lot higher than OTL, though, because of having no Trail of Tears. You calculated the ratio in OTL 1830 - I would say the ratio would probably be a bit higher now because of white migration into Indiana - let's say 8:1 now.

    If the Indiana Legislature has 150 seats, and Anglophone and Francophone whites are split up (although they could also be recombined), the seat totals are:

    Franco (41.90%): 64
    Black (24.43%): 37
    Anglo (18.52%): 28
    Native (7.55%): 11
    Hisp. (4.83%): 7
    Asian (1.52%): 2
    Other (1.25%): 1
     
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    How did you come up with the Franco-Anglo ratio?
     
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    The areas of OTL Georgia tend to be Anglo and the areas of OTL Mississippi/Alabama Franco. I assumed that there are about as many Francophone whites living inside OTL Georgia as Anglophone whites outside it.
     
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    Yeah most of the Atlanta suburbs in Indiana are Anglo, or English speaking minorities. The only other place of significant Anglo's is south of OTL Memphis - for the same reason as the Atlanta suburbs.
     
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    Guys tell me what you think about these ideas. Any feedback and (constructive) criticism is more than welcome.
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    Rough TL:
    -Spanish civil war happens a lil earlier than OTL, with Italian-supported socialists winning and invading Portugal
    -Portuguese govt flees to Brazil, which takes over African colonies (the Dutch take Timor). The Spanish EiE is in London and still holds on to Equatorial Guinea.
    -Morocco and Egypt fall to socialism, Morocco takes Cape Juby, Spanish Morocco and the German and British outposts and make a puppet state in the Sahara. In the Levant, an organization called the Zionist League takes the western coast and Sinai, forming Israel. Arabia gained control of both banks of the Jordan. After heavy dispute, both nations signed a treaty making Jerusalem a free city.
    -France, panicked at the situation, locks down control over Algiers, diverting almost all troops stationed in the Sahara. The power vacuum is filled by Tamashek, who declare a new caliphate. Things go downhill from there for the locals.
    -Greece suffers a brutal civil war as well, which leads to the government falling to socialism.
     
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    Here is my basic thoughts on China. China revolts around the turn of the century, creating the rough parliament like OTL. Yuan Shikai has control over the Beiyang army, and he is the early power player like in OTL. However, instead of dying, Yuan lives for about 15 years after the revolution as 'emperor' allowing the warlord-and-fealty system to be institutionalized in the north. The basic progression of china throughout the 20th century should therefore be seen as an eternal struggle between the various central governments that rise and fall and the periphery who pledges fealty but really does their own thing. Sometime in the late 20th century, the central govt will finally exert total authority, but by then several states will have carved out their own sort of identity around a ack of participation in the power struggle. I'm thinking all the regional governments should be independent by the modern day (Uighar, Tibet, Manchu, Yunnan), along with 1-2 local regions that were propped up by outsiders as 'safe-refuges' for people fleeing the power struggle. These regions built their own identity around resisting the game of thrones and reinforced this identity with western money to run their society on an industrial crash course. Maybe laces with already established local identities like Sichuan or Guangdong?

    Oh, and the western cities will NOT be joining the train-wreak that is Beijing/Nanjing, but their future, either as city states or as under a unified govt is undecided.

    -Spain already has a history of revolution, and the current democracy is young. If Italy looks successful, and times are tough, the government will be replaced. I think how it would work is a Left-Wing govt is voted into power, president cracks down and declare Marshall law, people revolt. rest looks good for Spain
    - Really Like Portugal's backstory
    -Nix the Jews. Not enough there yet to really revolt, and those that are ironically have left wing views. Kibbutzim, communal farming to make the land grow, that whole sort of thing. Might be interesting to have an Egyptian state with the upper echelons all filled by Jews, allows allows for nationalist counterrevolution later down the road. Makes the world more deep.
    -Algiers good
    -Greece good, this perhaps happens late say in response to Metaxaian authoritarianism, the once peaceful opposition turn to more radical pursuits.
     
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  16. Threadmarks: Illinois Political Parties

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    Illinois Provincial "Government"

    Illinois history is inseparably linked to her primary city, Chicago. The city and her suburbs are home to over 75% of the province’s population, nearly all or her minorities, and an overwhelming share of the national GDP. Early Illinois labor politicians moved the provincial capital from Springfield to Chicago partially in recognition of these facts. ONLY partially. The other, and more pressing reason for those politicians was power, the currency of Chicago machines. A government close to the workers means more chances for labor to intimidate or shut down government, more responsiveness to Chicago issues, more connections to Chicago money. A government located in Chicago is a government more vulnerable to Labor corruption and extra-political maneuvering – the twin pillars of modern Illinois Politics.

    It can therefore be thought that Illinois politics began with the mass industrialization of Chicago. Sure, politics existed before the era of Chicago, but Illinois politics back then was more in-tune with her rural downstate. The growth of railroads, the Great Lakes Shipping routes, and agriculture on the plains all transformed Chicago into the processing hub of America. Meatpacking, Food processing, Steel, Tin, Concrete – every low-skill heavy industry imaginable could soon be found inside America’s industrial engine. This meant that the province was perfect for Labor.

    Chicago was Labor’s birthplace, and soon would become her fiefdom. The multitude of ethnic migrants from that came to Chicago meant that local ward machines had all the power. Whoever controlled an ethnic neighborhood machine was in the position to send multiple candidates to the government. Labor first gained power by exploiting these machines. Some bosses were intimidated – threatened by worker walkouts. Some bosses were turned, becoming reliable Labor foot soldiers. Some bosses were simply bought off, as they had been done so many times before. Whatever the case Labor now held the cards.

    What is born from corruption cannot escape corruption. Those early labor governments’s sole goal was to destroy the power held by uncontrollable bosses, and build a bridge between the working class and the party. A social democratic state was the goal, but only selectively at first. Those groups that supported the party began to see handouts, and those that associated with a Labor machine rather than a local boss got instant government gratification. Of course, these promises could only come from government that remained in power, so early Labor formed an alliance with the downstate Progressives to pursue welfare policies.

    Corrupt welfare continued to be the name of the game into the 1930s. Labor, in full control of the ever-expanding migrant population (now featuring Africans) could pressure business to do whatever they wanted. What the Labor party wanted now was to get everyone on board with the program. If business could help coordinate the welfare regime, then there would not need to be class conflict in the streets. Labor therefore set up a system for business negotiation, a system that ran right through the pockets of the Labor machine.

    The 50s and 60s were the first time that the Labor machine truly felt fear. Sure, the machine had been out of power a few times – there is always the odd anti-incumbent wave. The era of suburbanization though brought with it several new threats that could have ended the reign of Labor. First was suburbanization itself. Former labor voters were now fleeing to the suburbs. Without a reliable connection to labor, there was for the first time a reliable anti-Labor base in the province, and it was growing. Further threatening labor was the growing anti-corruption legislation emerging from Philadelphia. Most prominently, the national government decided to centralize the Apportionment process for both federal and local districts, to put an end to the growing number of rotten boroughs.

    Illinois refused to relinquish this power, at least for local elections. In response, the federal government cut large amount funds previously allocated to the province. To this day, these ‘normal’ yearly cash transfers from the Feds to the Provinces have not been fully restored, only returning partially during federal Labor governments. Labor also began to build a relationship with their opposition, to ideally transform the right from a combative to a cooperative block of politicians.

    By the late 1980s, the transformation was complete. Even though certain politicians were still elected into Labor as left-wing idealists, the majority of new additions reflected Labor becoming a Party of Power. The Labor Parties sole goal was to keep itself elected to both maintain the previously established channels of graft, and prevent the opposition from launching criminal investigations into the heart of the party. Scandals, like large holes in the budget, were simply ignored or covered up to be dealt with in the future. What opposition existed was divided, with about half of the right accepting their permanent opposition. That didn’t mean that the conservatives lacked access, there were plenty of ways for a right-wing MP to gain political favors or graft if he scratched the back of the Labor Party.

    With the growth of Left-wing professionalism there came with it an anger about the Labor party system. Educated Liberals expected democratic access, not graft and Federal corruption investigations. A faction began to form inside Labor of reformists, who wanted to dismantle the corrupt welfare regime and transform Illinois into a normal province. This was the single greatest threat to Labor existence – the people couldn’t be bought off, couldn’t be flipped, and expected more of the authoritarian system.

    So Labor drew the reformists out of existence. When the 1991 provincial map was unveiled, the reformist faction was shocked to find that Labor had destroyed some of their own seats, all to keep the reformists from winning. This trend has continued even to the present day, most prominently with the educated north side getting cracked between Chicago’s many minorities.

    The 2015 election was for many a chance of a lifetime. The labor party was weak, crippled by overbearing pension program debt. The reformists, now organized into their own party, had an excellent lineup of minority candidate ready to force Labor into a minority government for the first time since the 40s. That didn’t happen. The map held. The most action occurred on the right, with the ideological right making big gains against the corrupt right.

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    Parties – 162 Seats Total

    Illinois parties can be divided two ways: their ideological standing and their attitude toward government graft.

    Left-Corrupt

    Labor (87 seats, Leader: Mike Madigan) – The ruling party of Illinois. Today, the party is home to countless opportunists and political creatures who see the ILP as the sole path for upward mobility. Chicago Boss’s like Madigan, and before him the Daley’s have long been the force behind Labor. Labors coalition is mainly urban minorities in Chicago and outside St. Louise, and the German minorities up in the Northwest corner. Labor draws maps that are designed to maximize the number of seats with a minority presence, while minimizing the number of Liberal seats – to their best extent possible.

    Right –Corrupt

    Federalist (25 seats, Leader: Dave Syverson) – The old opposition of Labor is now merely an extension of her influence. Labor and the Federalists have reached a ‘understanding’ that the Feds will always be in the minority, but still need some way to make their carriers viable. Business roundtables and corporatist hierarchies often include some MPs from both Labor and the Federalists. Labor maps are designed to draw out Liberals and crack them between suburban conservatives, long propping up the IFP.

    Left-Reformist

    Illinois Left Party [Reformists] (17 seats, Leader: Toni Preckwinkle) – Ignore the name, the Reformists have been moving from minor left party to minor left party over the past 20 years, absorbing their membership and moving on. One thing remains true about the reformists, their steadfast opposition to Labor. Labor has done everything in their power to kill the reformists: draw them out of seats, banish them from the ILP caucus, and adjusting speaking times to prevent the reformists from getting any time on TV. Despite this, the reformists have survived. Their two bases are downstate cities – forgotten by Labor but still loyal to the left and the North Side of Chicago which is drawn out or packed to prevent a sizable reformist caucus.

    Right-Reformist

    Conservative Alliance (18 Seats, Leader Tim Schneider) – Just as the reformist faction seeks to end the corruption and collusion of Labor, the Conservative Alliance seeks to end the Federalists ‘peaceful association’ with Labor. In that regard, the ICA is more successful than the reformists, gaining seats from the Federalists in every election since 2005.

    Forgottonian Legion (12 Seats, Leader Sam McCann) – A regionalist party for downstate Illinois. The term Forgottonia originally applied only to the land west of Springfield but south of Rock Island, however with the advent of Labor, the term now applies to all of downstate. The legion’s goal is to establish a new province separate from the Chicago machines, one where the right can rule legitimately. The party is loosely aligned with the Trump movement, but has existed since the 1990s. The 2015 election saw a surge for the Legion, with the party winning more seats than ever before.

    Illinois Heritage Party (3 seats, Leader Jeanne Ives) – Illinois branch of the Heritage Party and the traditional outlet for conservative right wing anger at the insider politics of Chicago. Historically, the party has held an average of 12 seats, however the 2015 election saw Heritage swept away in favor of the Legion.

    Results: Labor Majority
     
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    Hey @Oryxslayer I was thinking maybe Brazil could still keep the colonies of Portugal (minus Mozambique) but they act more like OTL Palau, Micronesia and the Marshall Islands with the U.S. As in, they are basically independent countries who act independently, but Brazil provides defense, funding grants etc, and the nations can live in Brazil without a visa or citizenship.
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    Something like this?
     
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    as someone with family ties to Illinois, I approve!
     
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