Nazi Space Spy
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I don't. The rich Russian presence in Alaska will be no richer than in OTL in this scenario.
The Yankee Dominion: A Map and World Building Project
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Gian
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Simply defaulting to OTL is NOT a great way to make this work unique, I'll tell you that.
Personally, I'd rather you ask @LeinadB93 and see his opinion on where to go forward with AK
Nazi Space Spy
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The demographics of one province aren't the hill I want this timeline to die on, considering all of the other details we still have to work out. By the way, I'm typing up a list of monarchs as we speak. I'll get it up tonight or tomorrow.
I don't want Russians in Alaska. Full stop. If we do, then no more then 5% of the pop, a bare minority. Way too similar to other timelines and right now, too cliche.
Fortunately, the current working plan is to NOT copy OTL. The working idea in there is less Oregon Trail types (less push and pull factors than IRL) and more boat arrivals in the isolated territories beyond the Rocky Mountains. This allows much more unique cultures to develop. It also allows for mass immigration from Asia to NA, immigration that could not be stopped by things like the Chinese Exclusion Act in this timeline. This makes the West Coast much more Asian - the current idea that is on the table is an Alaska that is plurality East Asian. For Alaska this is mainly Japanese and Chinese former migrants, but for Columbia (I still think this should be renamed) I expect Koreans, Vietnamese, Malaysians, Philippinos, etc, as well.
I feel I should note that the groups above are largely part of my 'East Asian' grouping. South Asians mainly include Indians, Burmese, and Pakistanis, plus Arabs and Middle Easterners.
Fortunately, the current working plan is to NOT copy OTL. The working idea in there is less Oregon Trail types (less push and pull factors than IRL) and more boat arrivals in the isolated territories beyond the Rocky Mountains. This allows much more unique cultures to develop. It also allows for mass immigration from Asia to NA, immigration that could not be stopped by things like the Chinese Exclusion Act in this timeline. This makes the West Coast much more Asian - the current idea that is on the table is an Alaska that is plurality East Asian. For Alaska this is mainly Japanese and Chinese former migrants, but for Columbia (I still think this should be renamed) I expect Koreans, Vietnamese, Malaysians, Philippinos, etc, as well.
I feel I should note that the groups above are largely part of my 'East Asian' grouping. South Asians mainly include Indians, Burmese, and Pakistanis, plus Arabs and Middle Easterners.
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For Alaska, or somewhere else appropriate, you could always do something playing with the ideas of the Yiddish Policeman's Union.
@Oryxslayer: Greater arrival by boats in the West in no way prevents nativist acts like the Chinese Exclusion Act from happening, I will say. I like the idea of an Alaska with a plurality of ethnic East Asians, but it's going to require sentiments in the government that are anti-nativist to an extent that's always been difficult for America.
@Oryxslayer: Greater arrival by boats in the West in no way prevents nativist acts like the Chinese Exclusion Act from happening, I will say. I like the idea of an Alaska with a plurality of ethnic East Asians, but it's going to require sentiments in the government that are anti-nativist to an extent that's always been difficult for America.
Oh I understand Americas racism, I'm currently imagining that this country, despite dominionizing, is going to take a whole lot longer to implement the Slave Trade and Slavery Abolition Acts despite being part of the empire. And even when they are done, AAs are going to be little more than tenant labor with no political access, rather than 100% free. The thing is, Britain constantly imported Chinese and Indian labor from her ventures in those regions to work in the Pacific regions cheep mines, plantations, or factories. I imagine those would be the first types to arrive and build the RRs, work the mines and timber yards, and effectively fill all the menial labor. The dominion can't really restrict the flow of these types, they are coming from other parts of the empire. Once they settle, there is now a large community that will argue hard to keep the door open, at least for those regions beyond the Rockies. It COULD be like Indiana where settlement for a racial group is fine only inside a specific group of states. This also acts as a deterring factor for East coast migrants - why move when there is no security you will get land or a job because of all the imported labor.
I also like the idea of a Jewish colony in Alaska, the only downside is that we currently have no globe beyond America. We might not have anything like the Shoah pushing for the Jewish State. We might just end up with Jewish federal territories under a levantine arab state - who knows right now...
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Nazi Space Spy
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I’d recommend a pause on the Jewish Sitka idea until we get to establishing the rest of the world, but it’s certainly an interesting idea!
Finally, someone is deciding to make the whole 'American Dominion' thing again that Gian decided to do and do it right.
Does anyone mind if I think up some political parties for this?
National Liberal:
Leader: TBA
Founded: 1878
Preceded by: Whig Party
Ideology: Liberalism, Social liberalism.
Conservative:
Leader: John Kasich
Founded: 1884
Preceded by: Tory Party
Ideology: Conservatism, Economic liberalism.
Radical Democrat:
Leader: Rosa DeLauro
Founded: 1934
Merger of: Social Democratic Party and Radical Labour Party
Ideology: Social democracy, Democratic socialism.
Reform:
Leader: Shelley Moore Capito
Founded: 2003
Merger of: Libertarian Party and (some members of the Conservative Party)
Ideology: Classical liberalism, Economic liberalism.
Bloc Francophone:
Leader: Bernadette Jordan
Founded: 1968
Ideology: Francophone politics.
Progressive:
Leader: Erin Weir
Founded: 1900
Ideology: Progressive nationalism.
Green:
Leader: Chellie Pingree
Founded: 1991
Ideology: Green politics.
United Left:
Leader: Kshama Sawant
Founded: 1971
Split from: Radical Democratic Party
National Heritage:
Leader: Ted Cruz
Founded: 1982
Ideology: National conservatism, Right-wing populism.
National Liberal:
Leader: TBA
Founded: 1878
Preceded by: Whig Party
Ideology: Liberalism, Social liberalism.
Conservative:
Leader: John Kasich
Founded: 1884
Preceded by: Tory Party
Ideology: Conservatism, Economic liberalism.
Radical Democrat:
Leader: Rosa DeLauro
Founded: 1934
Merger of: Social Democratic Party and Radical Labour Party
Ideology: Social democracy, Democratic socialism.
Reform:
Leader: Shelley Moore Capito
Founded: 2003
Merger of: Libertarian Party and (some members of the Conservative Party)
Ideology: Classical liberalism, Economic liberalism.
Bloc Francophone:
Leader: Bernadette Jordan
Founded: 1968
Ideology: Francophone politics.
Progressive:
Leader: Erin Weir
Founded: 1900
Ideology: Progressive nationalism.
Green:
Leader: Chellie Pingree
Founded: 1991
Ideology: Green politics.
United Left:
Leader: Kshama Sawant
Founded: 1971
Split from: Radical Democratic Party
National Heritage:
Leader: Ted Cruz
Founded: 1982
Ideology: National conservatism, Right-wing populism.
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Yeah plus there is much more Frenchies and other minorities in various regions that in Canada. I suspect, if we end up with lots of Asians out west, and French in South/Quebec (Plus AAs) we might get some regional/ethnic party fusion going on.
BTW I have my laptop now, so expect more maps soon.
BTW I have my laptop now, so expect more maps soon.
Gian
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So since apparently @Oryxslayer locked his thread, I thought it might be appropriate to post my own proposal for the demographics going forward.
My changes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17OewoQLEasqXzfnAFKzgzsaUmuyBfrQC0YHlivAR-YQ/edit?usp=sharing
1) Everyone seems dead set on having an Acadian Deep South, so I practically decided "if you can't beat them, join 'em" and thus left that there. I also like the idea of a Welsh Willamette Valley (the more Celts, the better), so I also left them there.
2) I did add Russians, but they'll be third behind East Asians and Anglos (but slightly above Natives). I also made Gaels the top pop. in SJ, the second-highest in CB (I decided to have an Acadian remnant population survive there) and NF (merged the Irish Newfoundlanders in with the Scots in the rest of the Maritimes), and the third in NS.
3) I've also added German and Scandinavian pops in there (mostly in the interior Plains provinces and Manitoba), and then flipped the Hispanic and Anglo pops in East Florida
4) I also decided to just give Columbia the name Vancouver (after George Vancouver)
My changes: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17OewoQLEasqXzfnAFKzgzsaUmuyBfrQC0YHlivAR-YQ/edit?usp=sharing
1) Everyone seems dead set on having an Acadian Deep South, so I practically decided "if you can't beat them, join 'em" and thus left that there. I also like the idea of a Welsh Willamette Valley (the more Celts, the better), so I also left them there.
2) I did add Russians, but they'll be third behind East Asians and Anglos (but slightly above Natives). I also made Gaels the top pop. in SJ, the second-highest in CB (I decided to have an Acadian remnant population survive there) and NF (merged the Irish Newfoundlanders in with the Scots in the rest of the Maritimes), and the third in NS.
3) I've also added German and Scandinavian pops in there (mostly in the interior Plains provinces and Manitoba), and then flipped the Hispanic and Anglo pops in East Florida
4) I also decided to just give Columbia the name Vancouver (after George Vancouver)
I locked mine! No...no, anyone with the link can view. If you can't, please tell me:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iVkSeQOQqEctdi0pbsBGmMn-o-kxm5fodqsUpvO8n9k/edit?usp=sharing
Also I'm fairly confident we shut down the Russian/Gael ideas - Nazi?
Edit: Also new pop numbers for AR(Correction) because of an Oklahoma calculation error.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1iVkSeQOQqEctdi0pbsBGmMn-o-kxm5fodqsUpvO8n9k/edit?usp=sharing
Also I'm fairly confident we shut down the Russian/Gael ideas - Nazi?
Edit: Also new pop numbers for AR(Correction) because of an Oklahoma calculation error.
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Nazi Space Spy
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I can view the sheet fine, and to be clear, the Russian and Gaelic population ideas - while interesting - have already been done and would violate the rules laid out in the first post.
What about the Welsh Portland or Willamette Valley thing? I think that's a really cool Idea.
Gian
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Well, you could work around those rules couldn't you. After all, @Oryxslayer proposed that you cap the Russians to 5%, so maybe you could cap it to 10-15%. And also maybe lump the Irish in the Maritimes alongside the Scots (like I've done with Newfoundland) and develop a new standard of Gaelic.
All this I'm saying as the person who originally came up with the concept (or at least revived it from @lord caedus)
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Nazi Space Spy
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Well, to be fair Gian, I revived the concept first. It just so happened that the initial thread turned towards True North and then chaos. As for the Russian minority in Alaska, I suppose that isn't an issue so long as it doesn't spark a political party. I think thats where the real conflict with Hail Britannia was.
I really like that idea too.