And the corollary "Wrangel was a proto-fascist". Thanks a f-in lot, Kaiserreich.
To be fair they have changed that now.
And the corollary "Wrangel was a proto-fascist". Thanks a f-in lot, Kaiserreich.
Separatism gained traction and wide public support among minorities in all crumbling Empires because of very specific circumstances.Well almost every sizeable minority in Russia tried to secede during the Russian Civil War, so that cliché does have some historical backing. I think almost all separatist attempts failing is another cliché, since every time you either have them all be succesful, or basically just the OTL succesful ones succeed (Finland, Poland, Baltic States). There are never really middle grounds.
To be fair they have changed that now.
Which other alternatives even exist? These are the Bolsheviks we are talking about, not the SR.Bolsheviks are bound to follow OTL hardliner line devised by Lenin
Which other alternatives even exist? These are the Bolsheviks we are talking about, not the SR.
Their attitudes were part of who they were.
Sorry for thatAnd the corollary "Wrangel was a proto-fascist". Thanks a f-in lot, Kaiserreich.
Stalin himself told Molotov to alter the official Pravda line towards cooperative stance when he returned to Petrograd.There *were* relatively moderate Bolsheviks, like Kamenev, who opposed the October insurrection and even after it happened favored a multiparty socialist government. That they might have prevailed under other circumstances--e.g., Lenin dying--may be unlikely but is not inconceivable.
So then what would a Bolshevik loss in the Civil War look like if there was no unified White faction?Some "Russians are drawn to autocracy" pseudo-sociological bullshit to justify Russia becoming a brutal dictatorship in every possible 20th century outcome.
Well of course "Whites" can't win, because there were no such thing as "Whites", and imaginary terms can't win. There were the Bolsheviks, their allies and a few dozen opposing movements which may or may not cooperate towards a common goal sometimes. Denikin, Wrangel and Kolchak are usually written into the same cabal, while in reality they operated independently from one another. It was the Soviets themselves who grouped all their opponents in the Civil War into one unitary "movement", after they already won, that is.
Now if one were to say "Bolsheviks can't lose the Civil War", then that statement is a cliche and I would agree it is a cliche.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_EraSo then what would a Bolshevik loss in the Civil War look like if there was no unified White faction?
To be fair Wrangel in KR was supposed to have been radicalised with the republic and Kerensky. That moustache also doesn't help.And the corollary "Wrangel was a proto-fascist". Thanks a f-in lot, Kaiserreich.
Some "Russians are drawn to autocracy" pseudo-sociological bullshit to justify Russia becoming a brutal dictatorship in every possible 20th century outcome.