The World of Turtledove's In the Presence of Mine Enemies

I know it was a shorter update than some of the previous ones, but I had it done and am not sure how long until I can get the next "scene" finished so I figured I would go ahead and share.

I also went back and threadmarked all of the posts that had the lists of "what happened to ..." so you can more easily access them.
 
I know it was a shorter update than some of the previous ones, but I had it done and am not sure how long until I can get the next "scene" finished so I figured I would go ahead and share.

I also went back and threadmarked all of the posts that had the lists of "what happened to ..." so you can more easily access them.
Glad to see an update and also that you have linked the what happened to lists of names to the overall timeline as I think those add alot to the detail and feel of the timeline.
 
"What happened to...." List, Part 9
Got inspired, here are five more names:

  • John Wayne - Wayne’s film career follows a nearly identical path, and many of his films remained popular for years, and mostly avoided the censors’ ban in the post-WWIII era. Wayne himself had been a supporter of Thurmond during his initial pre-war presidency. Wayne survived the war, and although he was not happy about the Nazi occupation, he largely kept his mouth shut and provided limited assistance to the new regime (citing failing health as a reason to not be more active). He died in 1975 of cancer.
  • Harry S Truman - Early life and political career largely the same. Served as Senator from Missouri from 1935-1952, and then became President Kennedy’s second VP, replacing Vice President Richard Russell, after he and Kennedy had a falling out. Was appointed by Humphrey as a member of the Supreme Court in 1966. Died in the DC blast.
  • Dwight Eisenhower - Early life and military career largely the same. Approached by President Thurmond to serve as Secretary of Defense in 1956, but declined. He also approached in Humphrey to serve as SecDef in 1964, but declined as well. He retired from the military in 1966, and died in 1968
  • Former President Herbert Hoover - Critical of the Smith administration, with several regular syndicated columns in national papers. Offered to help campaign for Lindburg in 1940, but asked to remain in the background. He kept writing in support of Lindburg, and then kept up his criticisms once Kennedy took office in 1948. Hoover had a good professional relationship with President Thurmond, though they disagreed on race-related topics. As such, Hoover was appointed to serve as the US Ambassador to the United Kingdom in 1957, a post he held until his death in 1961.
  • Adlai Stevenson II - Career and early life followed a path similar to OTL. Outspoken critic of the Lindburg administration, and was considered a possible running mate for Kennedy in 1948. Ended up running for and being elected governor of Illinois that year instead. Ran against Thurmond in 1956 and lost. Would serve as Humphrey’s Interior Secretary starting in 1965, and died in DC.
 
So it occurs to me that perhaps something like the Capitol Insurrection happens ITTL but happens in Omaha and ittl the swastikas and any white supremacist acouterments seen are sadly considered as per usual and wha is radical as the old US flag...
Also just realized two names that I dont think were considered but would work here as well James Dean and Frank Sinatra...
 
So it occurs to me that perhaps something like the Capitol Insurrection happens ITTL but happens in Omaha and ittl the swastikas and any white supremacist acouterments seen are sadly considered as per usual and wha is radical as the old US flag...
Also just realized two names that I dont think were considered but would work here as well James Dean and Frank Sinatra...
Interesting that you bring that up. I haven't written up anything on this specifically yet, but I foresee some sort of event like this - but not in a negative way like we saw IRL in January. But the way I see things happening, the anti-fascist candidate will likely win the 2020 election, but the old guard may try and stop it, and that will lead to some sort of mass demonstration event(s).

I haven't got to Sinatra yet, but I did do Dean:
"Does not die in an automobile accident in 1955, his career before that is largely unchanged. Continues acting, and was seen as “edgy” and boundary-pushing. Will continue acting for a while after the new regime comes to power in 1971, but is arrested in 1980 by the NBSS for “degenerate activities” and “anti-state sympathies” and sentenced to 15 years hard labor in Montana. Released in 1995, and he settles in North Dakota as a mechanic, where he dies in 1999."
 
Interesting that you bring that up. I haven't written up anything on this specifically yet, but I foresee some sort of event like this - but not in a negative way like we saw IRL in January. But the way I see things happening, the anti-fascist candidate will likely win the 2020 election, but the old guard may try and stop it, and that will lead to some sort of mass demonstration event(s).

I haven't got to Sinatra yet, but I did do Dean:
"Does not die in an automobile accident in 1955, his career before that is largely unchanged. Continues acting, and was seen as “edgy” and boundary-pushing. Will continue acting for a while after the new regime comes to power in 1971, but is arrested in 1980 by the NBSS for “degenerate activities” and “anti-state sympathies” and sentenced to 15 years hard labor in Montana. Released in 1995, and he settles in North Dakota as a mechanic, where he dies in 1999."
I serious dlyoubt that Frank Sinatra would be going along with the program ittl. What you say about a January 6 type insurretion I agree but it could also be about people who are upset with the new regime and want to keep the older more odious in power whcih would make it a true analog to OTL...
 
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I seriouslt doubt that Frank Sinatra would be going along with the program ittl. What you say about a January 6 type insurretion I agree but it could also be about people who are upset with the new regime and want to keep the older more odious in power whcih would make it a true analog to OTL...

The difference being, though, that the Jan 6thers were mostly those on the "outside," not being part of the apparatus of state power. ITTL, those unhappy with the winds of change are more likely to be the old guard. If anything, we are looking at an event similar to what happened in Berlin in the original book, with the old guard trying to block the new reformers from taking office, only to touch off a populist rebellion in the streets that pushes back against the old guard.

RE: Frank Sinatra, that is harder to say. While I think I agree that on his own, he would not want to help the new regime after the war, it would depend on if he has dependents. It is one thing to be defiant when it is just your neck on the line. Its a completely different thing when the regime can grab your family and say, you will cooperate or bad things will happen to your wife and kids (which is what happened ITTL to several other celebs - they initially tried to be defiant but then the Nazis and Thurmond tell them that if they don't comply their family will be sent to camps along with them, and so they cave).
 
Hey Eckener, I was wondering if you'd be interested in covering the fate of Lawrence Welk in the ItPoME world? He seems the type of person that the Germans would like in the post-WWIII order of things.

I would imagine that he would have been coerced into staying on air for the new regime, regardless of his personal politics. If he survived the war itself, he'd have been put back on air, with threats against his family if he tried to refuse (as happened to several others).
 
Ed Sullivan -whos show ended in 1971 OTL -and Rod Serling,( suprised I overlooked these 3 ) spring to mind now as well although given both of their personal lives and politics they both might have problems with the Nazi powers that came to be....
 
Sadly it looks like this picture of a 1961 American Legion meeting could be from this timeline.
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Sadly it looks like this picture of a 1961 American Legion meeting could be from this timeline.View attachment 646788

Ohhh. Creepy.

I'm low-key reminded of the scene in the first episode of MITHC where Joe has the interaction with the highway patrolman who reflects back on having been in the military in WWII and is so nonchalant about the current situation and was like "I don't even know what we were fighting for" and then goes on to talk about the ash falling and who was being disposed of.
 
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