The World of Mad Max: Fury Road

I recently saw the new Mad Max movie, and I loved it. Of course, I immediately started exploring the world. Feel free to join in, comment on my headcanons, and post your own!

How did the world get to where it is in Mad Max: Fury Road, and what's going on in the rest of the world? (I forget, is Fury Road a reboot or a continuation of the first 3 films?) I think there was a nuclear war or something in the 70s?
Joe was a colonel in the Australian Army, so it wasn't too long ago. However, Furiosa, the wives, and the War Boys (and maybe Max--we're not sure how old he is) seem to have grown up in this post-apocalyptic world, implying it's been at least 30 years (my estimate for Furiosa's age). Assuming that the film is set in the present day, this would mean the world went to hell sometime in the 70s and 80s.

Where is the Citadel supposed to be? Can we make any assumption other than "Somewhere in Australia"?

Judging by the absence of any large animals besides humans, we can presume that they are extinct, at least in Australia. Maybe some camels survived on the fringes of the desert. I believe it was confirmed that the Milk Mothers' milk is turned into cheese, which would provide at least some of people's protein intake. Insects such as the one Nux ate are probably not enough to provide the rest, unless they are actively being raised (it takes an apocalypse for cricket farming to take off? :rolleyes:). There were no depictions of cannibalism in the movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's practiced, especially by the Wretched, who likely don't get any of the Milk. Maybe somewhere else there's a Morlock-like community. I also would not be surprised at any group using human skin and bones as decoration or clothing.

I read somewhere that the salt flats are supposedly the ocean, which has dried up. (begging the question--where did all the water go? 300 sextillion gallons of water doesn't just vanish)

What happened to the Aboriginal Australians? Did they form their own nation or were they all slaughtered/assimilated into gangs? And what about the Polynesians (I believe at least two of the wives are half-Maori--at least, their actors are)?

What is the origin of the Buzzards (the guys with the spiky cars)? They speak Russian, but I was unaware of a large population of Russian-speakers in Australia at any point in the 20th century.

We know that the War Boys get bullets from the Bullet Farm (built on a lead mine), and guzzoline from the oil wells at Gas Town, but where do they get rubber for tires? Sand can't be good to tires (they probably aren't always driving on the Fury Road), and I don't know of any sources of rubber in Australia.
 
Judging by the absence of any large animals besides humans, we can presume that they are extinct, at least in Australia. Maybe some camels survived on the fringes of the desert. I believe it was confirmed that the Milk Mothers' milk is turned into cheese, which would provide at least some of people's protein intake. Insects such as the one Nux ate are probably not enough to provide the rest, unless they are actively being raised (it takes an apocalypse for cricket farming to take off? :rolleyes:). There were no depictions of cannibalism in the movie, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's practiced, especially by the Wretched, who likely don't get any of the Milk. Maybe somewhere else there's a Morlock-like community. I also would not be surprised at any group using human skin and bones as decoration or clothing.

Okay, after rewatching it last night, I can conclude that cannibalism is definitely practiced, at least by the "People Eater" of Gas Town, and there are skulls (at least some of which are real) decorating the War Rig and other cars.

Also, is nobody interested? There's so much to explore here!
 
They explain it more in the first films from the 80s and some background material. Oil shortages because of a war in the Middle East (In the 80s Miller meant it to be Iran vs Iraq, but ISIS versus Iran now works) destroying the oil fields lead to a nuclear exchange between the west and the eastern nations. Australia's cities get looted and then abandoned, except Sydney which gets nuked. In Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome, they visit the ruins of Sydney at the end and you see the bay around it dried up too, which is consistent with the Pacific in Fury Road.

Fury Road is supposed to be after Thunderdome. In Mad Max the original, the oil shortages and economic collapse were going but no World War 3. Road Warrior was right after when gangs were looting to survive and roaming around the Outback after the cities were abandoned.

By Beyond Thunderdome and Fury Road which are supposed to be 10-15 years after the war according to Miller and the online material, all the gas got looted so the gangs settled into communities like Bartertown from Beyond Thunderdome and The Citadel, usually with some former gang leader with technical knowledge like Aunty Entity or Immortan Joe in power.

I gather the Buzzards come from a stranded Russian submarine. Someone on the film crew said that. Makes sense.

I kind of assume the rest of the world is probably even worse in the setting, though they give little information.
 
Also, in Beyond Thunderdome, you see camels. Max has a pick up truck pulled by a team of camels that gets stolen and taken to Bartertown and this sets the plot off and you see many camels and horses in Bartertown as well as pigs since they use pigshit to fuel their methane biofueled armored cars, unlike Immortan Joe who has gas from Gastown.

They said Bartertown was a strip mine a few hundred kilometers from Sydney, and Road Warrior is seen to be by Mundi Mundi Lookout near Broken Hill, NSW.

I gather the Citadel might be somewhere else in Australia though, maybe inland.
 

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Huh, I thought Fury Road was just supposed to be a sequel of just the first Mad Max with Road Warrior and Thunderdome being thrown out of continuity.

To the OP: so bascially like dissent said, oil shortage starts the rioting and anarchy before the cities are abandoned, then nuclear WWIII, and due to a poisoned Earth and accelerated global warming the oceans start to disappear. The green place Furiosa was taking Joe's wives to are where the Vulviani had a commune there on the last remaining fertile land on Australia before it dried up.
 
Insects such as the one Nux ate are probably not enough to provide the rest, unless they are actively being raised (it takes an apocalypse for cricket farming to take off? :rolleyes:)

Strangely enough, in the official prequel comics, it's established that the Buzzards live in the subterranean ruins of Sydney, where they raise moths for food. Also, there is a depiction of an enterprising maggot-farmer who raises maggots for human consumption in the shadow of the Citadel, using human corpses as a food source for the maggots.

What is the origin of the Buzzards (the guys with the spiky cars)? They speak Russian, but I was unaware of a large population of Russian-speakers in Australia at any point in the 20th century.

I'm thinking maybe the survivors a Russian military expeditionary force sent to Australia during WWIII or a very tough post-WWIII refugee group which crossed all of continental Asia before ending up in Australia.
 
The World Building was a mess in Fury Road to be honest - somehow, the post-apocalyptic Outback best defined by the lack of oil now has enough gas that Doof Warrior can have a flamethrower guitar. Not to mention how ridiculous everything else seem to has gotten - between the "blood bags", mothers milk, or forgetting that Max had a son, not a daughter, to say nothing of the salt flats being bigger than Australia.
 
I thought it was overall good. I think the daughter thing was a mistake. They should have kept it to Sprog or Jessie. Keep in mind in Road Warrior, the compound has enough fuel to run flame throwers and fill an entire tanker and in the setting only the Middle Eastern oil fields were destroyed by the Persian Gulf war there wrecking the pipelines and fields, so Australian oil fields would be intact, though under siege.

The Pacific Ocean drying up was there in Beyond Thunderdome when they find the ruins of Sydney at the end, so that's not new either.
 
At the end of Thunderdome when Savannah does the Tell, and you see the community in Sydney with survivors of Crack in the Earth and Bartertown, they're all going bald. They probably got radiation poisoning from the radiation left from the nuke. Maybe that's why the Buzzards who might have old Russian radiation suits took over.

In the supplementary materials, they reveal the Great Northern Tribe founded by the oil compound people in Road Warrior survived at the Surfer's Paradise resort in Northern Australia and the Gyro Captain died felling timber and then the grown up Feral Kid became chief. So there's some semi-fertile areas left up north. They're in Southwest Australia near a major city that got a nuke.
 
I wonder what happened to the rest of the region. I could see New Zealand going Maori tribal. Maybe Indonesians showed up in Northern Australia. I guess it depends if the oceans dried up there too. And Tasmania. I don't enough about Tasmania to speculate.
 
The "daughter" in Max's flashbacks isn't actually his daughter according to the prequel comics. It's this girl he rescues from the Buzzards as a favor to the girl's mother, who saved his life.
 
Where did the oceans go? I've seen a lot of stories where the ocean disapear, but it's never given a good justification. Also, conservation of mass and all that.
 
All the oceans disappeared? Wouldn't that destroy all life as we know it?

I think it is much more plausible that was a sea-level drop of a couple of hundred meters rather than entire oceans just boiling away.

And even what could possibly explain that? I mean no climatologist but shouldn't global warming cause a rise in sea level rather than a drop? At least until the antarctic ice sheets have completely melted; a process that will easily take half a century or more instead of just a measly decade or two.

Or we could accept as a fait accompli that the oceans did partially evaporate away leaving behind gigantic salt flats and coastal deserts in the continental shelves.
 
All the oceans disappeared? Wouldn't that destroy all life as we know it?

I think it is much more plausible that was a sea-level drop of a couple of hundred meters rather than entire oceans just boiling away.

And even what could possibly explain that? I mean no climatologist but shouldn't global warming cause a rise in sea level rather than a drop? At least until the antarctic ice sheets have completely melted; a process that will easily take half a century or more instead of just a measly decade or two.

Or we could accept as a fait accompli that the oceans did partially evaporate away leaving behind gigantic salt flats and coastal deserts in the continental shelves.

If the oceans got evaporated, they would have rained back in a few weeks at most. That's if the entire ocean got evaporated. The amount of water the atmosphere can hold is actually not that great.

Honestly, what would be more likely is something cause huge global cooling to cause the ice sheets to grow or something.

Of course it could just be that the sea didn't just disappear and that was just some random salt flat that existed before.
 
I remember the background notes and Mad Max Chronology said "partial evaporation of the oceans" meaning they didn't totally disappear, just recede.
 
What are your thoughts on the population and the political state of power in The Citadel?

As far as I could make it out, Joe is the ruler and the Imperators are sort of his personal henchmen with possibly rivaling ambitions of power. I found it quite interesting that neither the war boys nor the remaining aides of Joe didn't seem to have much of a problem when Furiosa brought along Joe's corpse and took over the Citadel.

The population seemed to have a love-hate-relationship with Joe, and then basically went enthusiastic after Furiosa's coup. So either she's been a popular Imperator before, or the population basically admires anyone who's in charge of the water.
 
I havent seen it yet...

But in any case - Entrophy - if you cannot replace/keep running the complex machines (or critical pieces of them which eventually wear out, particularly with maintenance supplies also often unavailable).

Knowhow disappears, tools/materials degrade/cease-to-exist, critical components are gone. Two generations might be all it takes for the remaining people to virtually ALL be back to animal/human powered society (and the technical inefficiencies putting the majority back on a subsistance footing, and people dispersing to the places where that is easiest).
 
What are your thoughts on the population and the political state of power in The Citadel?

As far as I could make it out, Joe is the ruler and the Imperators are sort of his personal henchmen with possibly rivaling ambitions of power. I found it quite interesting that neither the war boys nor the remaining aides of Joe didn't seem to have much of a problem when Furiosa brought along Joe's corpse and took over the Citadel.

The population seemed to have a love-hate-relationship with Joe, and then basically went enthusiastic after Furiosa's coup. So either she's been a popular Imperator before, or the population basically admires anyone who's in charge of the water.

Immortan Joe is seen as a living god by the War Boys and most others. Furiosa may have held on to her faith in the Green Place and the Vuvalini as a way of avoiding actually believing in the Joe-worship.

The Wretched probably don't care who's in charge as long as they get water, and I wonder if Furiosa would promote her own divine image--on the one hand, she doesn't want to be anything like Joe; on the other, it's an effective way of maintaining control. Besides, it's a lot easier to co-opt an existing religion than to tear it down.

Speaking of water, assuming the Citadel's aquifer is limited, they will have to ration the water sooner or later (Joe did have a point about limiting the water).

The political situation at the end of Fury Road is unclear. The leaders of the Citadel, Gas Town, and the Bullet Farm are all dead, along with many of their soldiers. However, Furiosa still has to deal with any remaining loyalists as soon as possible, to secure the Citadel against attack from the new bosses of Gas Town and the Bullet Farm. If she can find any Imperators or War Boys left who she can trust, she should probably do her best to install them as friendly rulers (though with spies to make sure they're not plotting against her).

The Wretched, from what we saw of them, are not the cleanest people, and may end up causing a disease outbreak in the Citadel's upper levels.
 
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