The world in 1901

The world around 1901.
Major changes at a glance:
Europe: Low countries do not split and become a significant industrial nation.
Germany unifies under Prusia
France will build a colonial empire to restore the 'Gloire' as a compensation after the defeat of a Franco-Prusian/ Russian-Austrian war
Rusia occupies Galicia after this conflict.

North America: CSA independent, after a negotiated peace. Texas independent.
USA recovers after the civil war and continue its development to become a large industrial nation. After Hawaii island it buys the island archipels like Guam form Spain.
CSA hardly recovers form the civil war and is in decline, especially after the start of the Long Resession in 1873. This economic crises is the death kern of the slave labor plantation system in the CSA, Brazil and the Colonies of the Netherlands. Due to internal differnces and economic trouble Texas declares independence.

South America, spendit short war between UK and Venezuela, with bigger teritorial gain due to no diplomatic intervention of the USA.
No Spanish-American war. Cuba in personal Union with Spain?

Asia: Philipines in personal Union with Spain?

Africa: Scramble for Africa slightly different. Boore republics remain independent. Boer chose to be in personal Union with the King of the Netherlands as formal head of State. Despite the very large economic ties and investments of the Netherlands, Oranje and Transvaal are independent. In order to provide a port to ther republics Delagoa bay was bought form the Portuguese in the 1840ties. Initial a economic venture evovled during the 19th century as a beach head for further African colonisation. CDutch Colonisation of Southern Africa was motivated by econmic reasons but above all domestic motives.

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... I get the feeling that i'm missing something ... either the thread the post should be in, or a bit more ... what do you call it ... prompt for discussion staking out a direction you'd like it to go
 
I do not understand: the Franco-Prussian and Russian-Austrian war - two different wars? Ie Prussia threw his vassal Austria adrift?
Maybe it would be better if the Emperor Alexander II and Chancellor Gorchakov sharply wiser and would intervened in the war on France's side, not allowing the unification of Germany?:)
 
The Imperial Powers slowly securing their claims, I imagine. Splitting up Africa on a Conference and actually controlling the interior of Africa are two different things, though they seem to be slower than OTL.

Sorry, I meant specifically the orange coloured nation that seems to consist of South Africa and Rhodesia... just curious as to what it was
 
Sorry, I meant specifically the orange coloured nation that seems to consist of South Africa and Rhodesia... just curious as to what it was

The Boer republics constantly tried to expand into areas that Britain then stepped into. Here if they have the United Netherlands backing them up, I could imagine they might well expand into what became Rhodesia

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
I do not understand: the Franco-Prussian and Russian-Austrian war - two different wars? Ie Prussia threw his vassal Austria adrift?
Maybe it would be better if the Emperor Alexander II and Chancellor Gorchakov sharply wiser and would intervened in the war on France's side, not allowing the unification of Germany?:)

Let's call it the European war. Initially a war brokered by Bismarck who deemed a war against France was necessary to unite the North German Confederation and the independent southern German states. When the battle of Saarbruken went not so well for the Germans and the French seemed to get the andvance Austria-HUngary thought to get even by invading Prusia. Bismarck had anticipated on this by a secret agrement with Russia if this occure. Russia would invade Galicia. Since France had a good start of the conflict it tried to out flank the Germans by a forced march through the neutral Ducy of Luxembourg. Due to numerous factors, notably the more profesional general staff of the Germans and helped by the short commings of the French commanders the war ended in favor of Germany.
 
The Boer republics constantly tried to expand into areas that Britain then stepped into. Here if they have the United Netherlands backing them up, I could imagine they might well expand into what became Rhodesia

Best Regards
Grey Wolf

That is exactly what happened and now fueled by a stream of Orthodox Calvinist colonist from the Netherlands who are convinced the Catholics have to much influence in the state of afairs in the Netherlands. Although a race for the mineral rich Katanga region still occured only this time between France and Great Brittian, the latter won. To get an acces to the sea Portugual had to back down when the African pie was devided in order to give Great Brittain teritory connected with the Indian Ocean.
 
Then you get an inconsistiency. Austria lost against Russia (1870/71?) - plausible

Russia occupies (but not annexes Galicia) the next 30 years, but Austria does gain Bosnia in the aftermath of the Ottoman Russian war of 1877/78 ?

The German/Russian Alliance (in the aftermath of 1871) would make a totally different outcome of this latter war - Russia would expect that Prussia backs its claims - at least the Borders of San Stefano (OTL) should stand.

The "price" for Austrias wellbehaviour would be the return of Galicia (instead of Bosnia like OTL). Or Russia feels strong enough to ignore Austria then it would annex Galicia. This latter probably would lead to an early split of Austria into (at least) two nations. - Austria no longer is considered a Great Power (more like OTLs OE)

OTOH if Prussia backstabs Russia, Russia would probably drift towards Austria (and France). So it probably would give back Galicia.

What does Italy in 1870/71 - and later (IIRC OTL both Austria and Italy thought of joining France in 1870/71 - but only if the other gave guarantees ;) - it might Join Prussia and Russia carving a piece out of A-H...

BTW a survival of the unified Netherlands would probably have butterflies of its own, so that 1864/66/70-71 will never happen. For instance Luxembourg (personal union with the Netehrlands) will never be up for Purchase (by France) something Bismarck preventen and was one cause for the 1870 war...
 
Let's call it the European war. Initially a war brokered by Bismarck who deemed a war against France was necessary to unite the North German Confederation and the independent southern German states. When the battle of Saarbruken went not so well for the Germans and the French seemed to get the andvance Austria-HUngary thought to get even by invading Prusia. Bismarck had anticipated on this by a secret agrement with Russia if this occure. Russia would invade Galicia. Since France had a good start of the conflict it tried to out flank the Germans by a forced march through the neutral Ducy of Luxembourg. Due to numerous factors, notably the more profesional general staff of the Germans and helped by the short commings of the French commanders the war ended in favor of Germany.

Yes, Bismarck said that in extreme cases throw Austria to keep the peace with Russia. But Russia and so made ​​a lot of nonsense, and the war with Austria was at that time an even greater folly.
 
Then you get an inconsistiency. Austria lost against Russia (1870/71?) - plausible

Russia occupies (but not annexes Galicia) the next 30 years, but Austria does gain Bosnia in the aftermath of the Ottoman Russian war of 1877/78 ?

The German/Russian Alliance (in the aftermath of 1871) would make a totally different outcome of this latter war - Russia would expect that Prussia backs its claims - at least the Borders of San Stefano (OTL) should stand.

The "price" for Austrias wellbehaviour would be the return of Galicia (instead of Bosnia like OTL). Or Russia feels strong enough to ignore Austria then it would annex Galicia. This latter probably would lead to an early split of Austria into (at least) two nations. - Austria no longer is considered a Great Power (more like OTLs OE)

OTOH if Prussia backstabs Russia, Russia would probably drift towards Austria (and France). So it probably would give back Galicia.

What does Italy in 1870/71 - and later (IIRC OTL both Austria and Italy thought of joining France in 1870/71 - but only if the other gave guarantees ;) - it might Join Prussia and Russia carving a piece out of A-H...

BTW a survival of the unified Netherlands would probably have butterflies of its own, so that 1864/66/70-71 will never happen. For instance Luxembourg (personal union with the Netehrlands) will never be up for Purchase (by France) something Bismarck preventen and was one cause for the 1870 war...

Hmm, you are correct action will have reaction :)
I will skip this, Rusia bluffs and Austria gave in without a shot, at the eman time Von Moltke get thing together combined with errors from the French side which can result in a German victory.

I realy like to have some input of what might happen if the unified Netherlands reamain, you are absolut correct that the event of 1864/66/70-71 never happen. But the only input givven is this Luxembourg affair which in my opinion is a very minor issue and absolute not relevant if a unifed Netherlands remain.
The implications on the continent could be large.
A United Netherlands means a higly industrialised country with the gravity of the industry initally in the South but an industrialisation of the North will progress faster. Combined with a relative large colonial empire and trade network.
 
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