The world after the 1983 nuclear war

not even Namibia or Mozambique since during that time most of the Africa need serious support and with corruption and obliteration of the world economy, it would just fall apart. and also it, not just nuclear, it could be every single weapon of mass destruction up to that point ever unleash.
 
Its unlikely australia or brazil would emerge in the post war world a power... or any nation tbh. Its is likely that, due to the nature of total nuclear war, neutral states would get pounded by one side if not several. Its probable that namibia or mozambique would be the world power than australia, mexico, brazil, etc.

Would they really? Were both sides really held a mindset of "If I can't win, then no one will!" to consider attacking the neutrals? Okay, I could see a conventional invasion or something for some cases, but resorting to using nukes and stuff?
 
it could be every single weapon of mass destruction up to that point ever unleash.
When people debate about a 1980s nuclear exchange they often forget that the USSR had a bioweapons program as well. They were producing thousands of tons of engineered and vaccine resistant smallpox, anthrax, plague, marburg, tularemia and many other biological horrors on a yearly basis for the sole purpose of using against their enemies (NATO, China etc) if the existence of the USSR was at stake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program

It is very likely we would see a repeat of what happened to the Native Americans after 1492 where more than 85% of their population died as a result of diseases they had no immunity to but on a worldwide scale. Simply surviving nuclear weapons and starvation doesn't mean you'll survive smallpox and plague, especially when you have no immunity to it and medical aid is non existent.
 
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Having Mount Weather destroyed in Doomsday would just fuck it up further and plus who honestly would want to make a timeline that is showing how the human race goes extinct by nuclear war? Nobody because it be nothing interesting since we would all know what would happen in reality.

Mount Weather isn't some mountain where if it is destroyed some sort of eruption would occur rendering Virginia, Maryland, Delaware and Northern North Carolina uninhabitable, though it is cute that you think that.

Mount Weather is a relocation center for the highest level of civilian and military officials in case of a disaster, which a nuclear war is. Most of the congressional leadership was evacuated there in 9/11.

A nuclear war wouldn't cause human extinction, not even in the northern hemisphere. That said, it also wouldn't cause Ireland to unite with Scotland.

Or, in his TL's case, have a bunch of Islamists claim that Mecca is a false city made by Satan and that Sunni, Shias and Ibadis are "False Muslims".
 
Its probable that namibia or mozambique would be the world power than australia, mexico, brazil, etc.

Zimbabwe would be a decent candidate provided no-one sent any nukes their way. It wouldn't be a world power, there isn't going to be much of a world to project around, but it could manage to stay more or less intact.
 
Would they really? Were both sides really held a mindset of "If I can't win, then no one will!" to consider attacking the neutrals? Okay, I could see a conventional invasion or something for some cases, but resorting to using nukes and stuff?
well nuking neutrals isnt that much of a step up from freely nuking your enemies cities... the logic boils down to; "Oh the remants of the american army could use mexican infrastructure to rebuild... Mexico gets a couple of nukes too."

In a total nuclear war any country could get nuked if it is of some vague asset to the enemy camp or future enemy camp.

Zimbabwe would be a decent candidate provided no-one sent any nukes their way. It wouldn't be a world power, there isn't going to be much of a world to project around, but it could manage to stay more or less intact.

Zimbabwe is right next to South Africa...which would recieve its own set of nukes. If its not bombed by south africa whatever militias that emerge in aftermath would rip it to shreds.
 
Zimbabwe is right next to South Africa...which would recieve its own set of nukes. If its not bombed by south africa whatever militias that emerge in aftermath would rip it to shreds.

I'm thinking that South Africa would likely be facing it's own internal issues, especially given that it's likely to be on the Soviet target list. My money would be on the ZDF going up against any post-apocalyptic militias that wander over the border.
 
At this time the world is looking at 60-70,000 nuclear weapons, some where between 50-25% of those going off is nearly an extinction level event. At the least we are looking at a regional extinction event. Now add Biological weapons to wreak havoc on much of what's left attacking people, crops, livestock and wildlife in parts of the world, like Africa and Latin America. Then add a world, where there are now no electricity, running water, food deliveries or hospitals. Between the climate changes, naturally occurring illness and disasters, injuries, accidents, and violence it could well mean the end of humanity as a species. Earth goes on without us.
 
At this time the world is looking at 60-70,000 nuclear weapons, some where between 50-25% of those going off is nearly an extinction level event. At the least we are looking at a regional extinction event. Now add Biological weapons to wreak havoc on much of what's left attacking people, crops, livestock and wildlife in parts of the world, like Africa and Latin America. Then add a world, where there are now no electricity, running water, food deliveries or hospitals. Between the climate changes, naturally occurring illness and disasters, injuries, accidents, and violence it could well mean the end of humanity as a species. Earth goes on without us.
And once again making a alternate history where humanity becomes extinct by destroying themselves in a nuclear war would be pointless. Because like I said before.

Everyone is dead and more will be dead eventually, humanity goes extinct, the dumb boring truth. The reason that 1983 Doomsday was made was to see what a world would be like in a aftermath of a nuclear war that didn't cause human extinction but still killed 2 billion people. Sure you could say places like South America and Australia still be fucked, but then again where the fun in showing a world where South America survived and yet it's nations are still brutal dictatorships? Where the fun in seeing Australia fucked by nukes or radiation or a Australia straight out of Mad Max?

Where the fun in seeing everyone not having it good? Nowhere.

That's the main reason why 1983 Doomsday was made like I said before to see what a surviving world would be like today after the nuclear war. And by the way it not just a ASB alternate history, but in truth it actually also telling us why nuclear weapons are evil no matter what they are used for. 1983 Doomsday specifically shows us that nuclear weapons could very well end humanity or very well bring surviving humanity into a long dark age. And the fact it is telling us that we have to get rid of nuclear weapons before we end up fucking ourselves up in a nuclear war that billions of people around the world never want in the first place.

Because here is the sad truth, in any war especially a nuclear war, nobody wanted it to happen and yet they all die from it happening anyway. Even children who didn't want a nuclear war died in one anyway. Because truth is nobody of higher military power or political power seems to care who ends up dead in a nuclear war not even caring about the fact "I'm gonna kill millions or billions of children". Most of them are going to be like "We have no other choice sadly."

Sorry for big wall of bold text. But I had to let it all out. And by the way I hope this didn't sound too much as if I was yelling.
 
And once again making a alternate history where humanity becomes extinct by destroying themselves in a nuclear war would be pointless. Because like I said before.

Everyone is dead and more will be dead eventually, humanity goes extinct, the dumb boring truth. The reason that 1983 Doomsday was made was to see what a world would be like in a aftermath of a nuclear war that didn't cause human extinction but still killed 2 billion people. Sure you could say places like South America and Australia still be fucked, but then again where the fun in showing a world where South America survived and yet it's nations are still brutal dictatorships? Where the fun in seeing Australia fucked by nukes or radiation or a Australia straight out of Mad Max?

Where the fun in seeing everyone not having it good? Nowhere.

That's the main reason why 1983 Doomsday was made like I said before to see what a surviving world would be like today after the nuclear war. And by the way it not just a ASB alternate history, but in truth it actually also telling us why nuclear weapons are evil no matter what they are used for. 1983 Doomsday specifically shows us that nuclear weapons could very well end humanity or very well bring surviving humanity into a long dark age. And the fact it is telling us that we have to get rid of nuclear weapons before we end up fucking ourselves up in a nuclear war that billions of people around the world never want in the first place.

Because here is the sad truth, in any war especially a nuclear war, nobody wanted it to happen and yet they all die from it happening anyway. Even children who didn't want a nuclear war died in one anyway. Because truth is nobody of higher military power or political power seems to care who ends up dead in a nuclear war not even caring about the fact "I'm gonna kill millions or billions of children". Most of them are going to be like "We have no other choice sadly."

Sorry for big wall of bold text. But I had to let it all out. And by the way I hope this didn't sound too much as if I was yelling.
Its understandable, its a dark and upsetting topic, the only consolation is that we have now dropped down to under 16,000 nuclear weapons and there is now a good chance humanity will survive as well as most large animals and plants.
 
Its understandable, its a dark and upsetting topic, the only consolation is that we have now dropped down to under 16,000 nuclear weapons and there is now a good chance humanity will survive as well as most large animals and plants.
True, but once again still many innocent people will end up dying in a nuclear war they never wanted in the first place. However hopefully in any timeline like 1983: Doomsday you can only hope that all who died in the nuclear war will be avenged and able to finally rest in peace after the last remaining unused nuclear weapon is gotten rid of long after the war.
 
True, but once again still many innocent people will end up dying in a nuclear war they never wanted in the first place. However hopefully in any timeline like 1983: Doomsday you can only hope that all who died in the nuclear war will be avenged and able to finally rest in peace after the last remaining unused nuclear weapon is gotten rid of long after the war.
or destroyed in the exchange, but I see your point
 
I see Australia falling apart and then unifying together again and becoming a federation that annex all of Oceania an then some and become a super power.
 
I see Australia falling apart and then unifying together again and becoming a federation that annex all of Oceania an then some and become a super power.
I find very unlike to be honest. Currently in my timeline I'm doing as apart of the future of the timeline itself. I am having Australia face domestic terrorism on widescale due to the fact that many refugees from former US, China and other devastated areas will be coming in big numbers to Australia trying to escape the harsh conditions back home. Meanwhile in my timeline this leads to basically a far-right extremist organization called the Australian Brotherhood being established and committing attacks against refugees and Australians alike (They go after anyone who is American, Chinese or not a white Australian) since the Australian Brotherhood was founded by those who feared that refugees such as the Americans were plotting to destroy Australia's culture and traditions.

If you want read my timeline (some parts in the beginning are pretty unrealistic, but the majority of it though is realistic as I could make it). Sorry for advertising for my timeline, I never done that before.
 
Both sides have ABM systems and not all are 100% reliable. Not every one of the weapons launched will make it.
 
Australia is at extreme range of the Soviet missile system and priority targets will be Intel sites (Pine Ridge) and larger bases or ports esp. if they have shipyards (Sydney, Darwin, etc.). Counterforce, more than countervalue, seemed to be the Soviet doctrine. I'm not sure this version of Australia is as well off as it may seem but it is vastly better than most of the US. Either way - Omaha, North Platte, and Lincoln, along with fallout affecting most of the rest of Nebraska, are still *toast*.

Yeah, my home state, place of residence, and Creighton basketball are not doing too great ITTL.
 
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