The White Line

glowjack

Banned
Inspired by the Beslan school hostage crisis where freedom fighters held a school of over 1,100 students ,staff , and visitors hostage demanding the independence of Chechnya . The stand off lasted for three days until nearing a deal a firefight broke out suddenly between the surrounding Russian army and the Chechen militias.

WI a similar event happened in Windsor university? (Windsor city right across from Detroit on the Canadian side)

How would news networks report such an event as opposed to similar events in Iraq/Afghanistan, would be they be called terrorists (and if so what if the majority of them are white protestants?). How would the military respond? How would normal people view this event? Would the government actually negotiate now that its Canadian citizens? Would America show the same level of response for this event as it did when a private plane flew into an apartment block after 9-11 for Canadians?

This is just to see the interest for such a thing.

And just for a disclaimer this event is a completely fictional intellectual exercise , any similarities with anything in the story would be completely coincidental.

EX:

Transcript taken from conversation between masked hostage leader and A-channel report James Mendacium

[JM enters windowless concrete room .MHL is wearing a urban camouflage with a ski mask . MHL nods from his seat behind table as JM approaches, offers seat with hand gesture. JM proceeds to set up audio recording equipment. MHL waits for JM to finish and then reaches for his ear piece]

Is this live?


[Inaudible radio chatter from earpiece]

Good, Good... Welcome Mister Mendacium, I'm glad that you made it today.

Why did you specifically ask for me?

Its because you are convenient, that is all. Now, there is no need for you to talk anymore, just listen and record.

[MHL takes a drink from a bottle of water]

Our demands are very simple, the withdraw all of military forces and support in any form from the Middle East and Afghanistan. You have 12 hours to start complying. By the end of the 12 hours we will execute one random hostage per hour. The buildings are rigged with explosives that will be triggered if anyone approaches the building without permission. Also every one of us is equipped with a dead man switch that will trigger the explosives in a random should they become active.

[MHL motions for JM to turn off recording, This is now a copy of JM's personal recorder and notepad ]

MHL that you for your compliance Mister
Mendacium. Please make yourself comfortable, your staying.

[
MHL takes another sip of water from the waterbottle]

Now,
Mister Mendacium. They shouldn't be able to organize yet so the message will go through, but we will need more messages delivered later when their censoring the content.

What does this have to do with me? I'm just a reporter, you'd need someone in management to do that at the station. Besides why should I help you?

Oh don't worry, I'm sure you'll figure some way, you have some connections at the station. Plus we need your video equipment. And as for helping us... well little did you know that we'd actually share a common goal.

And what's that?

Well you see neither of us will live to see this fail, unfortunately you only have 12 hours.
 
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University of Windsor

Windsor Ontario Canada is home to the University of Windsor. It is three city blocks in length and three in width. The athletic faciltiys are a couple blocks away. There are several buildings on campus. An armed group could gain controal of at least one of them. First to the seign would be Windsor city police. The next line of defence is Ontario Provencial Police. Windsor is a diverse city. Non-white people are common and not noticed. Detroit news outlets report little Canada news. This might get their attention. If it came at a time when US people are likley to visit Windsor then travel warnings and even a border closeing are possible. Canada news sources would cover this. Canadian Broadcasting Company comes to mind. Police surround the building and try to negoceate. The area is blocked off so the cureous aren't in the line of fire.
 

glowjack

Banned
Is this an FLQ move?

Yes but the FLQ didn't have the organization, numbers, or proper media management and alot fo things have changed since then. Plus this group will have live violent executions of innocent students .

. If it came at a time when US people are likley to visit Windsor then travel warnings and even a border closeing are possible. Canada news sources would cover this. Canadian Broadcasting Company comes to mind. Police surround the building and try to negoceate. The area is blocked off so the cureous aren't in the line of fire.

Yes but this will be a plot by home-grown Americans who want to get both countries involved. (when you think of this you'd think foreign Muslim terrorist with robes and a large beard, but what if they had white frat students and well to do 40-year old protestant car dealers from Arizona in their group, This would be a group based on ideas and not color or culture)
 
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This would make headlines across the United States real fast, especially if there was even close to the number of people caught in the mess at Beslan. The whole scene would be visible easily, and gunshots at the University of Windsor would be heard quite clearly in Detroit.

The first responders would the Windsor Police, but if this is a situation like Beslan they would quickly call the Ontario Provincial Police (OPP) and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) for backup. There is stations for both in Windsor, and Toronto is roughly three hours away and would respond almost immediately. The Canadian Forces units at CFB Borden are a possibility, too.

First order of business would be securing the area, which would take up much of the Windsor Police and OPP units on the scene. I imagine that Windsor's OPP units include a tactical unit, if they don't London, Ontario (90 minutes away) definitely does. Those units would be on scene in three hours, maybe less. If the situation is real ugly, Toronto's Emergency Task Force would probably get called out, and in a terrorism case the Joint Task Force 2 is a possibility, as handling terrorists is one of their jobs. (If JTF2 gets called out, the media will go bananas, trust me.)
 
Would the Canadians ask for US assistance? I honestly don't know, seeking informed opinion here.

The US has a lot of resources in close proximity, and I bet the FBI has some toys the RCMP can't afford. Naturally, there would be legal issues (probably on both sides of the border).
 
Would the Canadians ask for US assistance? I honestly don't know, seeking informed opinion here.

The US has a lot of resources in close proximity, and I bet the FBI has some toys the RCMP can't afford. Naturally, there would be legal issues (probably on both sides of the border).

I would highly doubt it - no need, honestly. Canada's emergency response units are the equal of US SWAT teams, the RCMP has high-powered response units and JTF2 is like calling the Navy SEALs or Army Special Forces. Besides, the timeline being proposed here is too short - it would take longer for Washington to sign off on the idea and for the FBI's HRT team to get out to Windsor from Virginia.
 

glowjack

Banned
Would the Canadians ask for US assistance? I honestly don't know, seeking informed opinion here.


I would highly doubt it - no need, honestly.

Yeah i had the idea that the hostage takers do indeed want both countries , complexity adds error. Plus we can see an anti-American backlash if American SWATs killed Canadian students in a firefight.
 
Yeah i had the idea that the hostage takers do indeed want both countries , complexity adds error. Plus we can see an anti-American backlash if American SWATs killed Canadian students in a firefight.

But they wouldn't get it. There is no need, Canadian authorities would be able to handle this situation.
 
But you would see some FBI and police presence from Detroit across the border to be a liaison between them in case there were people from the US involved in it. That close to the border would have them looking to see if anyone was actively involved on the US side.
 

glowjack

Banned
But they wouldn't get it. There is no need, Canadian authorities would be able to handle this situation.

The idea is that they have something like chemicals they're willing to dump to the great lakes or perhaps a satellite mistakes an image for a missile or such, and America does something like our citizens are more important, we're doing this our way whether you like it or not. (sort of like how Iraqi soldiers figured out what destroyed tanks looked like from the air during the aerial bombardment phase of Desert Shield )
 
glowjack

Isn't the most likely outcome of this the total quashing of the FLQ, most noticeably by the Quebecians themselves? [Although a bit confused that you suggested that they might be white protestants and the fact they seem to be supporting fundamental Muslims in Afghanistan, which sound odd for a left wing organisation].

The situation in Canada is totally different to that in Chechnya. You don't have a brutal military occupation. Nor are local people going to be happy with terrorist intent on mass murder as those obviously are. [They would know there is no way that even if the west was willing and the demands weren't so vague, that the 12 hour deadline is impossible]. About the only thing in the terrorist's favour in you're scenario is that their seized a university, which means victims who can be termed adult, as opposed to the Chechens, who deliberately targeted children.

I would expect a very strong reaction against the terrorists and anyone associated with them as soon as the murders start.

Steve
 
Inspired by the Beslan school hostage crisis where freedom fighters held a school of over 1,100 students ,staff , and visitors hostage demanding the independence of Chechnya . The stand off lasted for three days until nearing a deal a firefight broke out suddenly between the surrounding Russian army and the Chechen militias.

Are you serious? You think those people were "freedom fighters?" Did I miss it when they changed the laws of war to make children schools legitimate military targets?
 

glowjack

Banned
The situation in Canada is totally different to that in Chechnya.
Yes quite true but there is still home-grown terrorism, take the one that was busted in 2006.

[They would know there is no way that even if the west was willing and the demands weren't so vague, that the 12 hour deadline is impossible].
Quite true, they know that most of them will become martyrs

I would expect a very strong reaction against the terrorists and anyone associated with them as soon as the murders start.

One of the intended consequences

And I suggested white protestant terrorist cuz I'm tired of the discriminatory and suggestive Western media's portrayal of terrorists with racism.
 

glowjack

Banned
Are you serious? You think those people were "freedom fighters?" Did I miss it when they changed the laws of war to make children schools legitimate military targets?

I don't believe everything the officials and corporate tell me is that a problem? I believe every organization that's a gurellia movement has some reason despite how shitty they can be. Chechen people aren't fighting Russians for profit or as the western media calls the Jihad.
 
Yes quite true but there is still home-grown terrorism, take the one that was busted in 2006.

But what are their motives? As you say they have no real demands and just want to kill randomly.

Quite true, they know that most of them will become martyrs

You mean you admit that they intend to be murderers come what may. That's what you're basically saying.

One of the intended consequences

They expect to drive people away from their viewpoint. That sounds like too many fanatics who just want to kill for it's own sake.

And I suggested white protestant terrorist cuz I'm tired of the discriminatory and suggestive Western media's portrayal of terrorists with racism.

:confused::confused::confused: You mean if a bunch of rabid murderers decide to kill innocents because they want to you dislike them being criticised? Whether their from any group, Muslims, Irish, Basques or any other, scum is scum. There may be some people in the west as racist as such groups but then I would condemn then and their not killing people because they want to.

You sound like one of those mis-guided people only too glad to follow Al Qaeda to Afghanistan to murder Muslims thinking their doing something moral. Or the IRA and various Protestant equivalent groups who killed people because the victims just want to live in peace.

Steve
 
And I suggested white protestant terrorist cuz I'm tired of the discriminatory and suggestive Western media's portrayal of terrorists with racism.

While I understand what you mean in a wider context (terrorist=/=muslims) I think that when you look at the specified aims of the terrorist in this scenario, your idea makes absolutely no sense.

Think about it.

How many white protestants have been willing to commit acts of terrorism in order to bring about the withdrawl of ISAF and MNF-I? Zero.

How many non-white Muslims have been willing to commit acts of terrorism in order to bring about the withdrawl of ISAF and MNF-I? A shit ton
 
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