The What-if China/Korea Bonanza Thread

I thought the Yi were in Jiangsu and Anhui as well as Shandong. (And I'm not claiming that they're nomadic)
Not sure about the Anhui part, but I think the Yi were in the northern part of Jiangsu, near Shandong, and Wu was founded closer to Zhejiang.

Qin's power base was actually to the west of Zhao's, and it relied more administrative and economic development (aided by geography that made it easier to defend).
Still talking about the (Western) Zhou. Again, this is also true, but the Qin capitals were located basically right next to the Western Zhou capital, and I don't think they were sacked by barbarians. Xianyang is basically right next to Haojing, and Yong and Jingyang were even closer to the territories of the nomads. In terms of defense, they seem to me to be just as hard to defend as the Western Zhou capital was. That's why I'm suggesting that a longer Western Zhou might see the Zhou house retain control in the west, with access to the geography that did help Qin, eliminating Qin, while the east of China would definitely see a Warring States Period.

Maybe, but I'm more interested in an "incomplete" unification of China.

Hainan is much closer to the mainland than the Ryukyu's or Taiwan. (Hainan is only separated from the mainland by a strait 19 miles wide, while the strait separating Taiwan from China is more than 100 miles wide)
Yes, which is why I'd imagine Taiwan would have an interesting history as a prison colony. If the Confucian literati dreaded going to Hainan, just twenty miles away from the mainland, imagine their dread at being sent to Taiwan (probably not going to be called that here) instead.
 

FDW

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Not sure about the Anhui part, but I think the Yi were in the northern part of Jiangsu, near Shandong, and Wu was founded closer to Zhejiang.

I got info from wiki about the boundaries I stated. And Wu controlled most of Jiangsu.

Still talking about the (Western) Zhou. Again, this is also true, but the Qin capitals were located basically right next to the Western Zhou capital, and I don't think they were sacked by barbarians. Xianyang is basically right next to Haojing, and Yong and Jingyang were even closer to the territories of the nomads. In terms of defense, they seem to me to be just as hard to defend as the Western Zhou capital was. That's why I'm suggesting that a longer Western Zhou might see the Zhou house retain control in the west, with access to the geography that did help Qin, eliminating Qin, while the east of China would definitely see a Warring States Period.

I think this was because Qin had managed to push the Rong further west in the process of reconquering the land that was on the Western Zhou capital. And Qin's advantage over the other states didn't become absolute until the Qin conquered the Sichuan basin.

Yes, which is why I'd imagine Taiwan would have an interesting history as a prison colony. If the Confucian literati dreaded going to Hainan, just twenty miles away from the mainland, imagine their dread at being sent to Taiwan (probably not going to be called that here) instead.

Taiwan might be called something like the Japanese called it "Highland Island".
 
I got info from wiki about the boundaries I stated. And Wu controlled most of Jiangsu.

I'm still not convinced. Wouldn't Yue and Wu be formed from the Hemedu and Liangzhou cultures, while the Yi would be more Dawenkou and Longshan?

I think this was because Qin had managed to push the Rong further west in the process of reconquering the land that was on the Western Zhou capital. And Qin's advantage over the other states didn't become absolute until the Qin conquered the Sichuan basin.

Yeah, but if the Zhou house plays their cards right (if the story about King You of Zhou is right in the first place), then the Rong never overrun the area in the first place.
 

FDW

Banned
I'm still not convinced. Wouldn't Yue and Wu be formed from the Hemedu and Liangzhou cultures, while the Yi would be more Dawenkou and Longshan?

The Liangzhu and Dawenkou likely had a fair degree of cultural exchange (And archaeological sites seem to indicate this), and Dawenkou and Longshan do have some sites within Jiangsu.

Yeah, but if the Zhou house plays their cards right (if the story about King You of Zhou is right in the first place), then the Rong never overrun the area in the first place.

Yeah, but would Zhou been as determined as Qin was to push all the way west in the event where the capital wasn't sacked?
 
The five most well-known battles in 7th and 6th century BCE China, each of which can provide a great point of divergence:

632's Battle of Chengpu: Jin defeats Chu
597's Battle of Bi: Chu defeats Jin
589's Battle of An: Jin defeats Qi
575's Battle of Yanling: Jin defeats Chu
506's Battle of Boju: Wu defeats Chu

Any interests in which one could have had the greatest effect if it went the other way?
 
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