what about marrying La Beltraneja as well to the Prince of Asturias that would make the TL more interesting..
Just have her also marry Juan, Prince of Asturias to settle the succession problem in castile after the divorce of the Portuguese king with La Beltraneja..if they are defeated..for her until now it's the same thing that OTL.
But i still didn't forget her, Alphonse V of Portugal is still his husband and he's in France to try to gain support, so the future Portugal is linked to the battle that will happen in the next chapter between Maximillian and Louis XI, or it will be too late ? (suspense)
So the chapter 06 will surely about them or the Castillan succession war.
PS i still didn't mention it but it's one of the reason OTL and in TTL that explain why Castilla and Aragon didn't participate in the Burgundian succession war.
Prince John of Portugal got married in 1470snip
Prince John of Portugal got married in 1470
If you want the POD to be changed have Charles the Bold to survive so that there is no urgency to marry off Mary of Burgundy, Mary of Burgundy and Charles VIII can get married on 1483/1484.
...And he has an elder son which got betrothed and married to isabella of aragon in OTL..You guessed my hint for the future, i know that but I warned that an unfortunate event was going to happen.
I already explained that i wanted to avoid too many butterflies, and for now they only talk about betrothal, the wedding will not happen right now (for a lot of reason), but Louis XI would try to have the wedding as quickly as possible. Actually the fact that there is an urgency to marry off Mary of Burgundy with Charles VIII will play a big role.
AND he has an elder son which got betrothed and married to isabella of aragon in OTL..
Well, the seemingly absurd age differences were not necessarily obstacles to the dynastic marriages. Of course, Charles is only 7 but betrothal can be arranged with a real wedding coming few years later.Marie of Burgundy is 12 years older than the King of France, we could have the earlier son of Louis the Spider to survive instead for the marriage to happen or for Marie to marry the Duke of Guyenne and bump of the young king Charles due to the duke of Guyenne pulling a Richard III.
My idea for Maximilian, he can marry Joanna of Portugal instead..she is similar to his own mother, Eleanor in heritage.You guessed my hint for the future, i know that but I warned that an unfortunate event was going to happen.
I already explained that i wanted to avoid too many butterflies, and for now they only talk about betrothal, the wedding will not happen right now (for a lot of reason), but Louis XI would try to have the wedding as quickly as possible. Actually the fact that there is an urgency to marry off Mary of Burgundy with Charles VIII will play a big role in Louis XI policy in the next years.
Chapitre I Return of Burgundian apanage
Louis Xi often asked himself this question. If Charles le Hardi died before him, what should he do ?
But today was a different day, the death of the duke of Burgundy had taken place, and the future of France would be dictated by this choice of his.
During many decades, Louis XI had protected his kingdom from his opponent rival Charles le Téméraire. This fight between the two members of the House of Valois was a conflict between two opposite kinds of rulers. The Duke of Burgundy was a chivalrous monarch and represented feudality. Meanwhile, Louis XI was the king of bourgeois that would inspire Machiavelli and be called the universal spider, or evil genius. In the beginning Louis XI was a turbulent prince, but he was already working in his field and with the time he became more and more patient and even the Milanese admired his talent for diplomacy as he patiently harassed his opponent.
The French king knew that his army, even if it was strong, couldn't really take on the Burgundian Duke alone, but he also knew the weakness of Burgundy, because he had lived some time here when he run away of his father, so he funded Burgundian opponent helped by the Duke's attitude that pissed off many people. Alone le Téméraire fighted day after day against revolts, Swiss, et caetera, and after many battles, tired, the Duke died miserably at the door of the Nancy who was going to offer him the Duchy of Lorraine and the title of King that he always wanted.
But unfortunately for Louis XI, it wasn't over, what will happen ? Charles had one daughter, Marie of Burgundy, that will inherit of all his territory, and he knows that she wants to marry with Habsburg King of the Romans Maximillian, that will thus become Emperor, it would be disastrous, he will lose surely definitively territory in French field, and get a new opponent stronger than before, so he needed to take his territory back with the help of law. Charles le Téméraire, that should have respected the king of France for his territory in France, was never a good vassal, as everybody knew, so he could launch a posthumous process against him and confiscate its land. That would give him casus belli to take back his French territories and get that much stronger to fight the Habsburgs, but he also thought of another idea. If Mary of Burgundy married his son Charles, the two prosperous realms would merge and become a prosperous and stronger kingdom that would not fear any permanent threat, the problem being that Burgundian people and Mary would not accept unless he managed it really well. He could persuade Burgundians to accept his wedding and let them persuade Mary to make the right choice, as along the course of many decades he had learnt, during those decades he had woven its web, which this time crushed his opponent. But it could be more, he could weave his web longer and add the Burgundian possessions in his field by this wedding
But he had to be careful, it could not work, these possession could split apart and France would be threatened again so he should also take back some territories to weaken the duchy of Burgundy in the future and to help with negotiation.
Well, the seemingly absurd age differences were not necessarily obstacles to the dynastic marriages. Of course, Charles is only 7 but betrothal can be arranged with a real wedding coming few years later.
IIRC, condition of the continued Burgundian apanage was transfer by the male line so after Charles' death Louis had all rights to the French parts of his territories. Definitely to the Duchy of Burgundy. Not quite sure about Artois and some other French territories ceded earlier to get Burgundy on the French side during the 100YW. But the Netherlands had been a true prize so the marriage still makes sense from Louis' perspective.
My idea for Maximilian, he can marry Joanna of Portugal instead..she is similar to his own mother, Eleanor in heritage.
And also keep Anne of Beajeu out of court and have Mary play as regent.
For Maximillian i thought about an wedding with a Jagellon to secure the anti-Hungarian alliance.
Concerning Anne of Beajeu she will play the role of regent but Mary will play a big role and they will be forced to cooperate, since they have common interests and because of the balance of terror.
Also thanks for your comment and your advice it's really useful![]()
Joanna of Portugal will bring no butterflies since ITTL she did not marry...Charles VIII also offered to marry Joanna of Portugal ITTL..who is on the same age group as Mary of Burgundy.
She did not become a nun despite entering a convent and almost married Richard III and was once offered to marry Charles VIII.Yeah, the problem is that nn 1475 she entered the convent of the Dominican sisters of Aveiro so before the butterfly.
She did not become a nun despite entering a convent and almost married Richard III and was once offered to marry Charles VIII.
She did not refused on Richard III the only problem is that he died in bosworth.True but she refused each time, i wonder why it would change ITTL.
She did not refused on Richard III the only problem is that he died in bosworth.