The War of Mexican Intervention? (~1995)
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[2010-2015]
[Domestic US]
The US economy is seeing more investment than ever as the market for alco-ethanol fuel skyrockets. US corporations agree that nobody can patent the concept (in order to avoid antitrust lawsuits), but a variety of different engines arise. Some cars have battery backups while others run on straight-up alcohol fuel. Many cars are retrofitted to run engines that use both old petrofuel and the new source.
Warner began to lower farm subsidies on grain as a result of the burgeoning market, though many said the new demand would be the 'end of the small farmer'.
By 2015 30% of cars on the road had the capability to run on an alternative fuel source.
Warner secured the 2012 election on a slim margin, briefly uniting Democrats, when he promised not to veto a plan to partially universalize healthcare. As a condition, all work would be subcontracted to existing private entities. He also made a compromise with Republicans to help reform social security and add private accounts to the system without sacrificing other sections of it.
But with globalization, dormant after the 2006 war on the rise again, new political alliances were forming. The 'Globalist' politicians, consisting of the wall-street, fiscal conservatives and neoliberal pro-trade groups countered against 'Nativists', those who were for the most part protectionists.
In the 2014 mid-term elections the 'United Party' split from the Republican party, winning a fraction of seats in Congress, though more significantly in the House. Known more locally as the 'United American Party', the UP promoted protectionist, socially conservative views, in contrast with mainstream Republicans who were thought to be too similar to Warner. Budget voting has become bitter as UP Congressmen in the House struggle against any budget that slackens tarrifs or protectionist policy.
As 2016 looms, Americans are unsure about who will be leading the nation. Rumor has it that many Democrats are becoming discontent with 'Globalist' philosophy as well.
In the Mexican territories, virtually every former Mexican state down to the Chiapan border votes to become part of the US. The directly administered US territories are confirmed by Senate votes, with the states set to become part of the Union by 2025.
Meanwhile, US Defense industries find themselves with significant surpluses of outmoded weaponry. The M8 rifle, the F-22, and various other new weapons have left millions of US weapons no longer needed. The M16 series of weapons were sold off into Africa primarily and to other 'pro-US' regimes.
US educational reforms are also pushed heavily by moderates as the US increasingly opens its markets to foreign sources.
[The Allied Nations Group]
In 2013 Warner proposed the Allied Nations Group, a community of nations that embraced 'Free Society and Free Trade', basically an extension of the USUK community. The ANG was officially formed in 2015 with the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Colombia and the Republic of Cuba as members.
The ANG was for Free Trade and mutual defense, and would maintain 'open relations' with nations that met their standards. In effect, a consolidation against East Asian power.
[The China-Russia-Islam Crisis]
From 2010 to 2015, China was facing ever increasing problems. By 2012 relations were at a truly low point. Russia and China were at increasing odds over the issue of relations with the Mideast, where China embraced the Panislamic movement, Russia rejected it. Soon, the three nations engaged in a power struggle to preserve influence in the region. China began reaching out towards former Soviet Republics and Southeast Asian nations, while Russia reached out to the EU and Japan. This itself was divisive in Russian politics. Early attempts to make amends with Europe were met with nativist backlash, and increased crackdown in Caucasia. As a result, virtually all of the Russian Federal Subjects in the Caucasus seceded, calling upon Muslim neighbors for aid. The 'Caucasian Confederation' was also the recipient of huge amounts of Chinese made weapons being resold from Iran. China claimed it had nothing to do with the matter, but Russia was suspicious. Russia responded with a full out war in the Caucasus, with EU sanctions and condemnations in 2014 when genocide resulted. Russian internal materials were diverted towards the war effort.
In late 2014 Caucasian forces seized control of a Russian special weapons depot and destroyed inventory lists. By the time Federal forces had dealt with the attackers, the Transcaucasians had seized an unknown amount of biological and chemical weapons.
In 2015, suicide attacks hit an emergency session of Parliament, killing the vast majority of the members using VX and similar nerve agents. The Transcaucasians said the attack was legitimate response to Russian atrocities in Caucasia.
The Russian President declared extraordinary executive powers and, despite the protests of the world community, gassed most of the major cities of Transcaucasia, leaving an estimated 400,000 dead.
The EU, China, and ANG imposed sanctions, though UNSC action was impossible due to Russia's veto power.
[The Mideast]
Islamic support for the Caucasus was reached for the billion dollar mark in 2015 in both humanitarian and military aid. Oil prices had skyrocketed and many Mideastern nations enjoyed high profit margins. The notions of Panislamism reached a new high as Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Yemen united in an 'Alliance of God'. Turkey, meanwhile, entered into the European Union in 2014.
[Domestic US]
The US economy is seeing more investment than ever as the market for alco-ethanol fuel skyrockets. US corporations agree that nobody can patent the concept (in order to avoid antitrust lawsuits), but a variety of different engines arise. Some cars have battery backups while others run on straight-up alcohol fuel. Many cars are retrofitted to run engines that use both old petrofuel and the new source.
Warner began to lower farm subsidies on grain as a result of the burgeoning market, though many said the new demand would be the 'end of the small farmer'.
By 2015 30% of cars on the road had the capability to run on an alternative fuel source.
Warner secured the 2012 election on a slim margin, briefly uniting Democrats, when he promised not to veto a plan to partially universalize healthcare. As a condition, all work would be subcontracted to existing private entities. He also made a compromise with Republicans to help reform social security and add private accounts to the system without sacrificing other sections of it.
But with globalization, dormant after the 2006 war on the rise again, new political alliances were forming. The 'Globalist' politicians, consisting of the wall-street, fiscal conservatives and neoliberal pro-trade groups countered against 'Nativists', those who were for the most part protectionists.
In the 2014 mid-term elections the 'United Party' split from the Republican party, winning a fraction of seats in Congress, though more significantly in the House. Known more locally as the 'United American Party', the UP promoted protectionist, socially conservative views, in contrast with mainstream Republicans who were thought to be too similar to Warner. Budget voting has become bitter as UP Congressmen in the House struggle against any budget that slackens tarrifs or protectionist policy.
As 2016 looms, Americans are unsure about who will be leading the nation. Rumor has it that many Democrats are becoming discontent with 'Globalist' philosophy as well.
In the Mexican territories, virtually every former Mexican state down to the Chiapan border votes to become part of the US. The directly administered US territories are confirmed by Senate votes, with the states set to become part of the Union by 2025.
Meanwhile, US Defense industries find themselves with significant surpluses of outmoded weaponry. The M8 rifle, the F-22, and various other new weapons have left millions of US weapons no longer needed. The M16 series of weapons were sold off into Africa primarily and to other 'pro-US' regimes.
US educational reforms are also pushed heavily by moderates as the US increasingly opens its markets to foreign sources.
[The Allied Nations Group]
In 2013 Warner proposed the Allied Nations Group, a community of nations that embraced 'Free Society and Free Trade', basically an extension of the USUK community. The ANG was officially formed in 2015 with the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Colombia and the Republic of Cuba as members.
The ANG was for Free Trade and mutual defense, and would maintain 'open relations' with nations that met their standards. In effect, a consolidation against East Asian power.
[The China-Russia-Islam Crisis]
From 2010 to 2015, China was facing ever increasing problems. By 2012 relations were at a truly low point. Russia and China were at increasing odds over the issue of relations with the Mideast, where China embraced the Panislamic movement, Russia rejected it. Soon, the three nations engaged in a power struggle to preserve influence in the region. China began reaching out towards former Soviet Republics and Southeast Asian nations, while Russia reached out to the EU and Japan. This itself was divisive in Russian politics. Early attempts to make amends with Europe were met with nativist backlash, and increased crackdown in Caucasia. As a result, virtually all of the Russian Federal Subjects in the Caucasus seceded, calling upon Muslim neighbors for aid. The 'Caucasian Confederation' was also the recipient of huge amounts of Chinese made weapons being resold from Iran. China claimed it had nothing to do with the matter, but Russia was suspicious. Russia responded with a full out war in the Caucasus, with EU sanctions and condemnations in 2014 when genocide resulted. Russian internal materials were diverted towards the war effort.
In late 2014 Caucasian forces seized control of a Russian special weapons depot and destroyed inventory lists. By the time Federal forces had dealt with the attackers, the Transcaucasians had seized an unknown amount of biological and chemical weapons.
In 2015, suicide attacks hit an emergency session of Parliament, killing the vast majority of the members using VX and similar nerve agents. The Transcaucasians said the attack was legitimate response to Russian atrocities in Caucasia.
The Russian President declared extraordinary executive powers and, despite the protests of the world community, gassed most of the major cities of Transcaucasia, leaving an estimated 400,000 dead.
The EU, China, and ANG imposed sanctions, though UNSC action was impossible due to Russia's veto power.
[The Mideast]
Islamic support for the Caucasus was reached for the billion dollar mark in 2015 in both humanitarian and military aid. Oil prices had skyrocketed and many Mideastern nations enjoyed high profit margins. The notions of Panislamism reached a new high as Iran, Iraq, Sudan and Yemen united in an 'Alliance of God'. Turkey, meanwhile, entered into the European Union in 2014.
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Wendell said:
I'm kind of vague about it write up, but basically it's another moderate based race. Warner wins primarily because of the split in the Republican party between free-trade and protectionists, and end up nominating Giuliani as a kind of moderate, but end up alienating a lot of the hardcore conservative and protectionist elements of the party. I'll probably talk alot more about US politics in the 2015-2020 update when the Democratic party reorganizes.
Gitmo is surounded by a barbwire covered Chainlink fence, a minefield [US]
a second fence, a second mineField [Cuban] & a third fence. The three gates on the road to Guantanamo City haven't been opened in 40 years. I seriously doubt that any one would be crossing the Border.
?What about North Korea ITTL? I doubt if the US whould have sent all the food & fuel Oil it did OTL. So the famine would have continued, With the instability that would cause.
Korea has basically been ignored, considering the US and China have both been quite busy in TTL. However I plan to address the Korea issue within the next 10 years, mainly, the death of Dear Leader and the collapse of the DPRK and the creation of the United Republic of Korea sometime around the early 2020s... Backed by one of the major powers, of course.
As for the 'border crossing', the idea is that the incident is so surrounded in myth its difficult to tell what really happened. The official US stance is that a Cuban sharpshooter was suspicious about increased activity within the base itself, and took an increased patrol as evidence of an attack. Of course anti-American pundits claim it was perpetrated by the US as a pretense for invading Cuba.
As for the 'border crossing', the idea is that the incident is so surrounded in myth its difficult to tell what really happened. The official US stance is that a Cuban sharpshooter was suspicious about increased activity within the base itself, and took an increased patrol as evidence of an attack. Of course anti-American pundits claim it was perpetrated by the US as a pretense for invading Cuba.
Rough draft... Probably more changes+additions later.
(You'll note I'm starting to move towards fictional characters...)
[2016-2020]
An Overview of American Politics, 2012 to 2020
In 2012, Mark Warner won a slim majority over Giuliani, it signalled the death blow for the traditional Republican and Democratic party. Though it would be awhile yet until the Elephants and Donkeys dropped from the ballot, the tumult in American politics was considerable.
The primary issue was termed as the Globalists verus the Nativist parties. The idea of Mexican states joining and growing Asian economies seemed threatening to many, resulting in the United Party formation in the post 2012 devastation.
The UP was unique because it was not the 'white mans' party that other nativists favored. Rather, the UP found significant support among those who worked in jobs of all levels who faced overwhelming foreign competition. The UP enjoyed significant success in unions and boardrooms alike. The UP also tended to be more morally conservative, favoring a 'Public Decency, Private Freedom' policy. It was called the 'American Family's Party', and did enjoy significant blue collar turnout. Often excessive foreign competition signalled a quick UP turnover, but if the economy gained a greater market through free trade it could easily change.
By 2016, politics had significantly reorganized. The Democrats found themselves torn deeply as many pro-labor elements left for the new vitality of the UP, and the Republicans fared no better. By 2015, a new political structure had organized itself: The Enterprise Alliance Party, eventually shortening to Enterprise Party by 2018. The EP adovcated a socially moderate, economically neoliberal philosophy. They asked for a free market, with porkbarrel spending transferred to useful areas like Education. The EP advocated energetic, efficient use of money for education and health programs rather than post facto subsidies and welfare. As Presidential Candidate (for 2016) Robert McConnell (note: Completely fictional) said- "We are launching a pre-emptive strike on poverty in America".
In 2016, the UP won the election with Ross Humbert, when Chinese markets began attempting to 'dump' goods on the US market. The UP retaliated with massive tarrifs on Chinese products, only further angering the Chinese.
In 2020, Humbert claimed a significant victory, with chaos abroad as evidence that isolation and protectionism were superior to the interventionism of years past.
[Miscellaneous US]
The UP continued Warner's efforts to produce new 'clean' nuclear PBMRs, windfarms, and solar arrays for decreased oil dependence.
The UP also began development of a new missile defense program, using a variety of new missile and sensor technologies. It brought US global facilities to almost full capability, capable of intercepting missiles launched from Russia, South Asia, and East Asia with good probability of use.
[The Demise of the Russian Federation]
As Russian generals raged in the 2014-2016 major operations in the Caucasus Republic, many pro EU Russian politicians were beginning to express discontent over the constant sanctions with the European Union, the Muslim world, and China. As war continued in the Caucasus region, Islamic nations and EU contractors enjoyed the oppurtunity to replace the destroyed Russian pipelines with their own.
In 2017 Andrei Pankratev, representative of the Northwestern Federal District, encouraged plebiscites to form a 'New Russia' seperate from the Muscovite military dictatorship. Pankatrev declared independence after vote, and set up an interim government until 2019, when the people of the Confederation of Russia could vote on their own choice.
Announcing he was tired of surrendering what little goods they had to dictators who would 'destroy Russia to kill a handful of evildoers', they recalled their troops and prepared for the inevitable response.
With both posessing nuclear weapons, Moscow decided upon a conventional attack to try and push for Novogorod. In April of 2017 the Spring Offensive was launched, sending rear line units against the new Confederation Army. The battle-weary Russians were burdened by significant logistical foul ups as a result of the war efforts focus down South. Over the years of chaos, Russian infrastructure that did not collapse or weaken went into the war effort against the Caucasian Republic.
Though Confederate leaders and men were not to be underestimated, the clumsy redirection of already worn forces northward made the Spring Offensive doomed from the start. Initial gains were strong as aircraft bombed outside St. Petersburg and other major cities, but soon the Confederation's own air force made their own victories. Ships in the Black Sea launched cruise missiles back onto advancing forces, and the attack was stalemated by 2018.
Isolationist America cared little about Russian politics, but the EU did. Polish leaders praised the new movement, and the EU was even more pleased when Pankatrev encouraged free-market reforms and trade with Europe. The Union voted to recognize the new nation, and the Allied Nations Group followed suit in 2019. In 2018, the EU also began a military assistance campaign, bolstering an offensive into the Central Federal District in late 2019. Freed of the military dictatorship (when the generals fled to the Ural region), they also voted to become part of the Confederation, with the agreement that a convention would be held on a possible relocation of the capital.
With no clear authority in the west, the Ural district and eastward on, became the new seat of the Russian Federation. They grudgingly reopened trade with China on the condition that they would not expand southward into Chinese pipeline interests in Central Asia, but retained xenophobic ideas. Believing US expansion into Mexico, EU support of the Confederation, Sino-Islamic support of the Caucasus as evidence of a new world order conspiracy against Russia, the Federation clung to the idea of a Russian revival and dreamt of reconquering Moscow.
[East Asia]
China continued its call for 'Asian Solidarity', even as the UP was elected into office. Military buildup continued, with China offering alliances and trade benefits to those who respected Chinese authority in the region. By 2017, China posessed 2 'Supercarriers', the Sea Dragon and Swift Storm, each capable of holding up to 70 aircraft. China's next generation J-12 fighter also shocked many Western analysts, with Taiwanese pilots saying they were nearly invisible to turn-of-the-century fighter radar during a potential BVR engagement. Taiwan began purchasing armarments from the US and EU, despite Chinese protests.
In 2019 Japan amended its constitution to allow Japanese protection of self-interest abroad, and responded with its first nuclear-powered carrier in 2020, along with revolutionary new nuclear-powered submarines. To spite the international community, Japan bought all the reactors from German firms and made none at home, though maintained stock parts. Japan was still committed to avoiding the use of 'the bomb', though fewer and fewer were left who remembered such acts.
[The Islamic World]
Support for the Caucasian Republic grew, and as oil prices continued to spike higher, Islam turned to the developing world for markets. With rich nations moving towards alternative energy, Islam diversified its interest, using what money it had to 'import' brainpower and diversify industry. Homegrown Islamic defense industry also sprang up in some nations, as Libya, Oman, and Syria joined 'The Alliance of God'.
(You'll note I'm starting to move towards fictional characters...)
[2016-2020]
An Overview of American Politics, 2012 to 2020
In 2012, Mark Warner won a slim majority over Giuliani, it signalled the death blow for the traditional Republican and Democratic party. Though it would be awhile yet until the Elephants and Donkeys dropped from the ballot, the tumult in American politics was considerable.
The primary issue was termed as the Globalists verus the Nativist parties. The idea of Mexican states joining and growing Asian economies seemed threatening to many, resulting in the United Party formation in the post 2012 devastation.
The UP was unique because it was not the 'white mans' party that other nativists favored. Rather, the UP found significant support among those who worked in jobs of all levels who faced overwhelming foreign competition. The UP enjoyed significant success in unions and boardrooms alike. The UP also tended to be more morally conservative, favoring a 'Public Decency, Private Freedom' policy. It was called the 'American Family's Party', and did enjoy significant blue collar turnout. Often excessive foreign competition signalled a quick UP turnover, but if the economy gained a greater market through free trade it could easily change.
By 2016, politics had significantly reorganized. The Democrats found themselves torn deeply as many pro-labor elements left for the new vitality of the UP, and the Republicans fared no better. By 2015, a new political structure had organized itself: The Enterprise Alliance Party, eventually shortening to Enterprise Party by 2018. The EP adovcated a socially moderate, economically neoliberal philosophy. They asked for a free market, with porkbarrel spending transferred to useful areas like Education. The EP advocated energetic, efficient use of money for education and health programs rather than post facto subsidies and welfare. As Presidential Candidate (for 2016) Robert McConnell (note: Completely fictional) said- "We are launching a pre-emptive strike on poverty in America".
In 2016, the UP won the election with Ross Humbert, when Chinese markets began attempting to 'dump' goods on the US market. The UP retaliated with massive tarrifs on Chinese products, only further angering the Chinese.
In 2020, Humbert claimed a significant victory, with chaos abroad as evidence that isolation and protectionism were superior to the interventionism of years past.
[Miscellaneous US]
The UP continued Warner's efforts to produce new 'clean' nuclear PBMRs, windfarms, and solar arrays for decreased oil dependence.
The UP also began development of a new missile defense program, using a variety of new missile and sensor technologies. It brought US global facilities to almost full capability, capable of intercepting missiles launched from Russia, South Asia, and East Asia with good probability of use.
[The Demise of the Russian Federation]
As Russian generals raged in the 2014-2016 major operations in the Caucasus Republic, many pro EU Russian politicians were beginning to express discontent over the constant sanctions with the European Union, the Muslim world, and China. As war continued in the Caucasus region, Islamic nations and EU contractors enjoyed the oppurtunity to replace the destroyed Russian pipelines with their own.
In 2017 Andrei Pankratev, representative of the Northwestern Federal District, encouraged plebiscites to form a 'New Russia' seperate from the Muscovite military dictatorship. Pankatrev declared independence after vote, and set up an interim government until 2019, when the people of the Confederation of Russia could vote on their own choice.
Announcing he was tired of surrendering what little goods they had to dictators who would 'destroy Russia to kill a handful of evildoers', they recalled their troops and prepared for the inevitable response.
With both posessing nuclear weapons, Moscow decided upon a conventional attack to try and push for Novogorod. In April of 2017 the Spring Offensive was launched, sending rear line units against the new Confederation Army. The battle-weary Russians were burdened by significant logistical foul ups as a result of the war efforts focus down South. Over the years of chaos, Russian infrastructure that did not collapse or weaken went into the war effort against the Caucasian Republic.
Though Confederate leaders and men were not to be underestimated, the clumsy redirection of already worn forces northward made the Spring Offensive doomed from the start. Initial gains were strong as aircraft bombed outside St. Petersburg and other major cities, but soon the Confederation's own air force made their own victories. Ships in the Black Sea launched cruise missiles back onto advancing forces, and the attack was stalemated by 2018.
Isolationist America cared little about Russian politics, but the EU did. Polish leaders praised the new movement, and the EU was even more pleased when Pankatrev encouraged free-market reforms and trade with Europe. The Union voted to recognize the new nation, and the Allied Nations Group followed suit in 2019. In 2018, the EU also began a military assistance campaign, bolstering an offensive into the Central Federal District in late 2019. Freed of the military dictatorship (when the generals fled to the Ural region), they also voted to become part of the Confederation, with the agreement that a convention would be held on a possible relocation of the capital.
With no clear authority in the west, the Ural district and eastward on, became the new seat of the Russian Federation. They grudgingly reopened trade with China on the condition that they would not expand southward into Chinese pipeline interests in Central Asia, but retained xenophobic ideas. Believing US expansion into Mexico, EU support of the Confederation, Sino-Islamic support of the Caucasus as evidence of a new world order conspiracy against Russia, the Federation clung to the idea of a Russian revival and dreamt of reconquering Moscow.
[East Asia]
China continued its call for 'Asian Solidarity', even as the UP was elected into office. Military buildup continued, with China offering alliances and trade benefits to those who respected Chinese authority in the region. By 2017, China posessed 2 'Supercarriers', the Sea Dragon and Swift Storm, each capable of holding up to 70 aircraft. China's next generation J-12 fighter also shocked many Western analysts, with Taiwanese pilots saying they were nearly invisible to turn-of-the-century fighter radar during a potential BVR engagement. Taiwan began purchasing armarments from the US and EU, despite Chinese protests.
In 2019 Japan amended its constitution to allow Japanese protection of self-interest abroad, and responded with its first nuclear-powered carrier in 2020, along with revolutionary new nuclear-powered submarines. To spite the international community, Japan bought all the reactors from German firms and made none at home, though maintained stock parts. Japan was still committed to avoiding the use of 'the bomb', though fewer and fewer were left who remembered such acts.
[The Islamic World]
Support for the Caucasian Republic grew, and as oil prices continued to spike higher, Islam turned to the developing world for markets. With rich nations moving towards alternative energy, Islam diversified its interest, using what money it had to 'import' brainpower and diversify industry. Homegrown Islamic defense industry also sprang up in some nations, as Libya, Oman, and Syria joined 'The Alliance of God'.
Yeah, whichever party it goes to is really hard to tell, given the effect the War in Mexico (indirectly caused by NAFTA) would have had on the population. But there's plenty of pro-trade support from neoliberals, like Tom Friedman. I based the EP around a section about America's response to Globalization in 'The World is Flat'.
Blochead said:
There is also a big aprt of the society in ALL of Occident who are opposed to neoliberal globalization. Never forget it.
Maybe there wil be far-leftists, islamists, nationalist guerrilla/militias in Mexico, maybe even International Brigades à la Spainish Civil War.
The Ubbergeek said:
Yeah, don't worry, that's why the United Party is in power. But the way I see it that's generally more of a factor in the EU, whereas in the US there's a lot more pro-globalizers. Central Mexico is currently the largest hotspot, one of the main reasons why they belatedly voted themselves into the Union was that they could no longer control crime and terrorism within their borders, and knew full well US association would give them access to Federal antiterror units.
[2021-2025]
[Domestic US]
As Humbert's early second term years unfolded, Americans began to taste the benefits of a reformed Social Security system, improved education, and expanded healthcare benefits. But the effects of heavy protectionism and increased spending and taxing would hit American consumers hard before 2024, setting back the UP and giving the EP their big break. But for a time, things for the UP were good. But big business and those who were hoping to take advantage of globalization were hurt as China gobbled up other markets.
In 2024, the EP rocketed into office as prices skyrocketed on protected goods and Chinese trade partners retaliated with the US. The EP declared that such a trade war could help lead to a shooting war in the end, calling upon Friedman's Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention (Note: In TTL, the book was still written, though with a focus on Mexico and NAFTA's future) among others. Slyly, the EP promised not to remove the social security reforms, the education and healthcare program, but did say it would cut out corporate welfare. In actuality, the EP's campaign of reinvigorating the sluggish market was almost a self fulfilling prophecy. As news of Rober McConnell's election and the new EP Senate majority swept the world, foreign investment skyrocketed. Consumer confidence went up, and most of the boardrooms of the United States breathed a sigh of relief.
In 2025, the first Mexican states entered the Union, though not in their original form. Sonora was merged with the Baja Californias. Durango, Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas all entered the Union as well, more or less in their original geographic forms. The populations ofthe states had significantly increased due to refugees and old American population flocking to the region for the low tax rates and business incentives. Though certainly not perfect, the government reforms imposed by McCain and Warner had done good for the new American states.
Many anti-American Mexicans unwilling to leave their homes refused US citizenship, and secluded themselves from the new society. Of course, US law dictated they could remain there, but would have to pay for any benefits the United States had added to the area. But eventually, those who did not leave grew tired of paying the extra cost and grudgingly accepted the US government as their own.
[Technology and War in 2025]
The United States continued to lead the world in technology in 2025, spurred on by many years of war and the fear of a rising China. Both the EP and UP agreed on maintaining high US defense spending, but the disagreement was on how to use it. In any case, this defense spending had become civilian accessible by 2025. The micromachined armor used by the Force Warrior 2025 development program was in service by 2020 (primarily in response to guerilla and insurgent warfare in the 2006 war) had resulted in a variety of new consumer products. By 2025, these 'miracle materials' were also in liscenced use by many other nations in a variety of fields. True nanobots were still not fully realized.
Alternative energy was spreading out of the United States, and by 2025 was in heavy use by Europe and Japan. China was still heavily petrol fueled due to its cozy relationship with many Islamic nations. A joint Allied Nations Group project promised to put a solar space powerplant array in orbit by 2030.
Artificial Intelligence and computing had expanded in leaps in bounds. Due to the plummeting costs of nanomaterial manufactures, carbon computers were phasing out high-end mainframes, with many theorizing that perhaps within the next decade they would be availible in regular desktop computers. The militaries of the world were the highest buyers of the products, and the beginnings of a 'computational arms race' were in the making as the ANG, China, Japan and EU all increasingly researched and developed new supercomputers. True AI wasn't quite there, but what did exist was enough to fool many people into thinking it was.
The technologies of war, the spurs of much of this advancement, were in high use by 2025. The United States and the ANG was said to maintain the world's 'best' air force in terms of training and technology. The US made F/A-22G used a carbon supercomputer, adaptive control surfaces, high resolution, long range radar, and packed ultramanuverable missiles with extremely 'intelligent' targeting and tracking computers. But it was rumored the US was researching into even more radical designs, such as switchblade fighters. The Chinese J-13/Mig-37 was a close second or third, unique not only because of its Russian Federation/Chinese cooperation, but the fact that China lead that project. Aerospace was becoming increasingly regionalized, as India, Japan, and even South Africa's resurgent economy began to design and manufacture their own aircraft. It was even rumored that true mobile lasers would be in implementation soon.
The US Navy had responded to the Chinese threat (now 6 carriers) with an increase to 14 Carrier Battle Groups, many utilizing new 'stealthy' designs, not just for carriers but for escort vessels like the Zumwalt and CG-21 series of designs. Chinese submarine technology had caught up with their Western rivals, but the Virginia upgrades and Australian advances in 'Acoustic Daylight Imaging' technology stood to turn the balance back in the favor of the West.
The European Union made their own advances with a standardized EU tank design, the EMBT-1. With British designed armor, a Rhinemetall ETC gun and a high-performance hybri-diesel engine, it set the standard for world armor. China itself took from old Russian Black Eagle designs. The United States looked like their Abrams II would be mounting an electromagnetic gun within the next few years.
And of course, space was on the verge of weaponization. The US and China had fleets of high turnaround shuttles capable of boosting cargo or weapons into orbit, while the US had chosen to refit its ballistic missiles as rapid-response deployers of satellites or ASAT style weapons. Many nations also employed space-based radar and sensors, and virtually every major nation or power-bloc maintained constellations of satellites.
[Africa]
The technological advances of the world had helped a neglected Africa. From 2015 onward, South Africa had experienced an economic rebirth, primarily due to the collapse of Harere's government and the 'turning point' in the war on disease through new vaccinations. The funding pouring into the nation went into the development of nuclear power and other alternative energy sources for the 'cultivation of Africa' program. Desalination plants and new, more efficient agritech systems allowed South African farmers to effectively feed not only themselves, but many of their neighbors. Investment in South Africa increased as their growing technology sector emerged. Without significant Western intervention, sub-saharan Africa was 'South Africa's domain'. A modern military force performed peackeeping duties, a friendly government gained the trust of other nations, and massive aid campaigns from the newly-wealthy nation were used to help their neighbors.
South Africa's success story had attracted the eyes of the world community by the early 2020s, and China was quick to step in. South Africa began absorbing Chinese consumer goods, and the Chinese gave plenty of diplomatic backing to the nation and its allies in Africa. But India pulled a heavy counterbalance, and soon the two nations were struggling over influence in the South African government. Other nations were divvied up by the two Asian powers, in the first time the emerging nations had begun seriously influencing extraregional politics.
[The Islamic World]
The Alliance of God only expanded as petrol demand slackened from the big-pocketed Westerners. Still discontent with Europe's influence through Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Caucasus Republic all joined in the years between 2021 and 2025. The Alliance of God was not a true alliance though, like brothers they quarreled within the household, but presented a united front when faced with foreign threat.
[Europe]
The Russian Confederation began its EU membership process in 2023, much to the dismay of the Federation. Germany was recovering from their economic slump, though many European core states were facing increasing problems with angry Muslim immigrants. The EU was still loosely organized, with a shaky Constitution emerging by 2022, though it hardly changed the Union's politics.
[The Two Russias]
An uneasy truce rested between the two nations. The Confederation enjoyed a more neoliberal government, and enjoyed EU support. The Confederation was also becoming a technology based economy, while the old Federation relied on its mineral and oil reserves. Interestingly, the Federation became heavily reliant on Chinese aid and loans, though they did not enjoy the relationship in any way. The xenophobic Federation government did not check or encourage the actions of its people when it came to race conflicts. Vladvivostok, the new capital, had a massive increase in crime rate as Russian and Chinese criminal organizations clashed.
[Asia and Oceania]
The Chinese and Indian government waged their silent political and economic wars through client states, and, as previously mentioned, those in Africa. India surpassed Chinese trade due to UP regulations, but China was eager to reclaim its spot. One of the major elements of tension was between Japan's growing military power and its alliance with India. Japan began designing and training Indian ships and crews for their Navy, providing regional counterbalances to China's emerging force. In Siganpore, the government affirmed a stance against Chinese political influence, in a surprise move. The new President stated "Embracing our heritage does not mean we must tie the puppetmaster's strings around our arms. Siganpore enjoys good relations with many nations besides China, and they are just as important. Similarly, our government cannot become a means to an end for Chinese interests."
Sino-Taiwanese relations continued to move back and forth between opinions, but overall Taiwan was increasingly fearful they would be subject to the first new 'hard' use of Chinese power.
In Korea, 2021 marked the end of the DPRK. The Dear Leader died under unknown circumstances, and the ROK quickly responded with a 'peaceful takeover'. For the world community, it was a wonderful end to 70 year tear between the Korean people. Korea quickly began to try and bring the former DPRK up to the living standards of the South. But Korean politicians were divided on foreign policy. Should they turn towards China, or stand by their traditional allies? Policy fluctuated back and forth, but overall Korea was more concerned with helping its new citizens rather than arming itself as other nations did.
Australia was experiencing a similar political problem. The Australian economy had become somewhat reliant on Chinese trade, but strategically Australia wanted to stand with the Allied Nations Group. Australia quietly began taking measures to decrease their reliance on Chinese trade, trying not to elicit too harsh of a political response from the full-fledged power of China.
[Domestic US]
As Humbert's early second term years unfolded, Americans began to taste the benefits of a reformed Social Security system, improved education, and expanded healthcare benefits. But the effects of heavy protectionism and increased spending and taxing would hit American consumers hard before 2024, setting back the UP and giving the EP their big break. But for a time, things for the UP were good. But big business and those who were hoping to take advantage of globalization were hurt as China gobbled up other markets.
In 2024, the EP rocketed into office as prices skyrocketed on protected goods and Chinese trade partners retaliated with the US. The EP declared that such a trade war could help lead to a shooting war in the end, calling upon Friedman's Dell Theory of Conflict Prevention (Note: In TTL, the book was still written, though with a focus on Mexico and NAFTA's future) among others. Slyly, the EP promised not to remove the social security reforms, the education and healthcare program, but did say it would cut out corporate welfare. In actuality, the EP's campaign of reinvigorating the sluggish market was almost a self fulfilling prophecy. As news of Rober McConnell's election and the new EP Senate majority swept the world, foreign investment skyrocketed. Consumer confidence went up, and most of the boardrooms of the United States breathed a sigh of relief.
In 2025, the first Mexican states entered the Union, though not in their original form. Sonora was merged with the Baja Californias. Durango, Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon, and Tamaulipas all entered the Union as well, more or less in their original geographic forms. The populations ofthe states had significantly increased due to refugees and old American population flocking to the region for the low tax rates and business incentives. Though certainly not perfect, the government reforms imposed by McCain and Warner had done good for the new American states.
Many anti-American Mexicans unwilling to leave their homes refused US citizenship, and secluded themselves from the new society. Of course, US law dictated they could remain there, but would have to pay for any benefits the United States had added to the area. But eventually, those who did not leave grew tired of paying the extra cost and grudgingly accepted the US government as their own.
[Technology and War in 2025]
The United States continued to lead the world in technology in 2025, spurred on by many years of war and the fear of a rising China. Both the EP and UP agreed on maintaining high US defense spending, but the disagreement was on how to use it. In any case, this defense spending had become civilian accessible by 2025. The micromachined armor used by the Force Warrior 2025 development program was in service by 2020 (primarily in response to guerilla and insurgent warfare in the 2006 war) had resulted in a variety of new consumer products. By 2025, these 'miracle materials' were also in liscenced use by many other nations in a variety of fields. True nanobots were still not fully realized.
Alternative energy was spreading out of the United States, and by 2025 was in heavy use by Europe and Japan. China was still heavily petrol fueled due to its cozy relationship with many Islamic nations. A joint Allied Nations Group project promised to put a solar space powerplant array in orbit by 2030.
Artificial Intelligence and computing had expanded in leaps in bounds. Due to the plummeting costs of nanomaterial manufactures, carbon computers were phasing out high-end mainframes, with many theorizing that perhaps within the next decade they would be availible in regular desktop computers. The militaries of the world were the highest buyers of the products, and the beginnings of a 'computational arms race' were in the making as the ANG, China, Japan and EU all increasingly researched and developed new supercomputers. True AI wasn't quite there, but what did exist was enough to fool many people into thinking it was.
The technologies of war, the spurs of much of this advancement, were in high use by 2025. The United States and the ANG was said to maintain the world's 'best' air force in terms of training and technology. The US made F/A-22G used a carbon supercomputer, adaptive control surfaces, high resolution, long range radar, and packed ultramanuverable missiles with extremely 'intelligent' targeting and tracking computers. But it was rumored the US was researching into even more radical designs, such as switchblade fighters. The Chinese J-13/Mig-37 was a close second or third, unique not only because of its Russian Federation/Chinese cooperation, but the fact that China lead that project. Aerospace was becoming increasingly regionalized, as India, Japan, and even South Africa's resurgent economy began to design and manufacture their own aircraft. It was even rumored that true mobile lasers would be in implementation soon.
The US Navy had responded to the Chinese threat (now 6 carriers) with an increase to 14 Carrier Battle Groups, many utilizing new 'stealthy' designs, not just for carriers but for escort vessels like the Zumwalt and CG-21 series of designs. Chinese submarine technology had caught up with their Western rivals, but the Virginia upgrades and Australian advances in 'Acoustic Daylight Imaging' technology stood to turn the balance back in the favor of the West.
The European Union made their own advances with a standardized EU tank design, the EMBT-1. With British designed armor, a Rhinemetall ETC gun and a high-performance hybri-diesel engine, it set the standard for world armor. China itself took from old Russian Black Eagle designs. The United States looked like their Abrams II would be mounting an electromagnetic gun within the next few years.
And of course, space was on the verge of weaponization. The US and China had fleets of high turnaround shuttles capable of boosting cargo or weapons into orbit, while the US had chosen to refit its ballistic missiles as rapid-response deployers of satellites or ASAT style weapons. Many nations also employed space-based radar and sensors, and virtually every major nation or power-bloc maintained constellations of satellites.
[Africa]
The technological advances of the world had helped a neglected Africa. From 2015 onward, South Africa had experienced an economic rebirth, primarily due to the collapse of Harere's government and the 'turning point' in the war on disease through new vaccinations. The funding pouring into the nation went into the development of nuclear power and other alternative energy sources for the 'cultivation of Africa' program. Desalination plants and new, more efficient agritech systems allowed South African farmers to effectively feed not only themselves, but many of their neighbors. Investment in South Africa increased as their growing technology sector emerged. Without significant Western intervention, sub-saharan Africa was 'South Africa's domain'. A modern military force performed peackeeping duties, a friendly government gained the trust of other nations, and massive aid campaigns from the newly-wealthy nation were used to help their neighbors.
South Africa's success story had attracted the eyes of the world community by the early 2020s, and China was quick to step in. South Africa began absorbing Chinese consumer goods, and the Chinese gave plenty of diplomatic backing to the nation and its allies in Africa. But India pulled a heavy counterbalance, and soon the two nations were struggling over influence in the South African government. Other nations were divvied up by the two Asian powers, in the first time the emerging nations had begun seriously influencing extraregional politics.
[The Islamic World]
The Alliance of God only expanded as petrol demand slackened from the big-pocketed Westerners. Still discontent with Europe's influence through Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the Caucasus Republic all joined in the years between 2021 and 2025. The Alliance of God was not a true alliance though, like brothers they quarreled within the household, but presented a united front when faced with foreign threat.
[Europe]
The Russian Confederation began its EU membership process in 2023, much to the dismay of the Federation. Germany was recovering from their economic slump, though many European core states were facing increasing problems with angry Muslim immigrants. The EU was still loosely organized, with a shaky Constitution emerging by 2022, though it hardly changed the Union's politics.
[The Two Russias]
An uneasy truce rested between the two nations. The Confederation enjoyed a more neoliberal government, and enjoyed EU support. The Confederation was also becoming a technology based economy, while the old Federation relied on its mineral and oil reserves. Interestingly, the Federation became heavily reliant on Chinese aid and loans, though they did not enjoy the relationship in any way. The xenophobic Federation government did not check or encourage the actions of its people when it came to race conflicts. Vladvivostok, the new capital, had a massive increase in crime rate as Russian and Chinese criminal organizations clashed.
[Asia and Oceania]
The Chinese and Indian government waged their silent political and economic wars through client states, and, as previously mentioned, those in Africa. India surpassed Chinese trade due to UP regulations, but China was eager to reclaim its spot. One of the major elements of tension was between Japan's growing military power and its alliance with India. Japan began designing and training Indian ships and crews for their Navy, providing regional counterbalances to China's emerging force. In Siganpore, the government affirmed a stance against Chinese political influence, in a surprise move. The new President stated "Embracing our heritage does not mean we must tie the puppetmaster's strings around our arms. Siganpore enjoys good relations with many nations besides China, and they are just as important. Similarly, our government cannot become a means to an end for Chinese interests."
Sino-Taiwanese relations continued to move back and forth between opinions, but overall Taiwan was increasingly fearful they would be subject to the first new 'hard' use of Chinese power.
In Korea, 2021 marked the end of the DPRK. The Dear Leader died under unknown circumstances, and the ROK quickly responded with a 'peaceful takeover'. For the world community, it was a wonderful end to 70 year tear between the Korean people. Korea quickly began to try and bring the former DPRK up to the living standards of the South. But Korean politicians were divided on foreign policy. Should they turn towards China, or stand by their traditional allies? Policy fluctuated back and forth, but overall Korea was more concerned with helping its new citizens rather than arming itself as other nations did.
Australia was experiencing a similar political problem. The Australian economy had become somewhat reliant on Chinese trade, but strategically Australia wanted to stand with the Allied Nations Group. Australia quietly began taking measures to decrease their reliance on Chinese trade, trying not to elicit too harsh of a political response from the full-fledged power of China.
When I locate the "radical" ones, I'll check on revoking their "secret a-ok" status, and then I'll get back to you....
It's not about what the government "allows" people to do. It's what the people "allow" the government to do... When I find those "right-wing, separatist" members in our group, I will root them out quickly....
Seriously, you can't find any scarier boogeymen than "militia"???
And I love this timeline. The pictures over in the pic section are cool (especially the SU-27s). I think it is permissible to post pics from a timeline in the actual timeline thread, though....maybe?
Weapon M said:
I think that the problem that was forseen was the use of "militia" units as de facto Brown Shirts, allowing the government to act against citizens without getting their hands dirty. Since the whole militia movement was based (IIRC) on LACK of faith in the government, it is an interesting viewpoint.
There is also the whole "Guns are EVIL" mindset that is magnified by the thought of groups of gun owners KNOWING EACH OTHER.
I do not understand it, but I know it exists. I know that some people absolutely freak out when the subject of firearms comes up; you would think that gun = Satan worship based on their reaction.Me: I keep my guns in the safe and hope that they can stay there between trips to the range.
About Russia and China vetoing... we may do it, but China isn't likely to veto anything. In the three decades or so since they have had the veto they had used ot less than half a dozen times, I think, and neither of us are likely to irritate America over something which doesn't really concern them and America will go ahead and do anyway.
EDIT: I can only say that Russia and China was portrayed exceedingly... oddly in this timeline. Actions completely out of character to no obvious purpose - actual military support for avowedly Islamist states, trade embargoes (China doesn't want trade embargoes on anyone, and nothing short of supporting Taiwanese independence would prompt that), the whole Russia breaks up idea...
EDIT: I can only say that Russia and China was portrayed exceedingly... oddly in this timeline. Actions completely out of character to no obvious purpose - actual military support for avowedly Islamist states, trade embargoes (China doesn't want trade embargoes on anyone, and nothing short of supporting Taiwanese independence would prompt that), the whole Russia breaks up idea...
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