The Wahhabi war was a war fought between the Ottoman Empire, and the Emirate of Diriyah, the first Saud state. It was between 1811 to 1818. They founded by the founder of Wahabism, Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhāb.

Wahabism one of the strictest forms of Islam, who rejected the luxury of the Sultan, and innovation. They Were a small tribe gained power in Nejd, but consolidated power in almost the entire Arabian peninsula.

The Wahabis in 1802 sacked Karbala in Iraq, causing the death of 5000 people, plundering of the Husyan Shrine, and the destruction of every saint memory in the city.

And in 1805, The Wahabis sacked Mecca and Medina, and the wrath of the cities was put on full display from the Wahabi menace, as they had finally had control of Hejaz, and Nejd. The Ottomans, under Selim III, were under too many other conflicts to deal with the Wahabis.

They were fighting the Serbian uprising, Anglo-Turkish war, Russo-Turkish war, French Invasion of Egypt, and subsequent Ali power takeover drama, Kabakci Mustafa's Coup, and way-way more conflicts that hampered Selim IIIs modernization attempts to bring the Ottomans back to equal technological levels as the rest of the world.


The occupation disrupted Ottoman finances, by attacking Ottoman Caravans. But under Mustafa VI, the Ottomans, with help with Mohammed Ali, finally took back Hejaz, and destroyed the First Saudi State.

But, what if the Wahabis won the war somehow, and kept the Hejaz? Is this possible? And how can we make it possible?
 
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No, I was meaning to say that they believe that God is the only thing in Islam to be worshipped, not Mohammed, or any saints.

Yeah, but no Muslim (at least within the vast majority of Islam throughout all traditions) would tell you that they worship the Prophet Muhammad or saints like Ali or Hussain. Even the "Ghulat" Qizilbash who were perhaps the most fervent Muslims in venerating Ali would not say that they worshipped him. This singular devotion to a monotheistic worship of God is so defining, it's literally in the statement you make to become a Muslim.
 
Yeah, but no Muslim (at least within the vast majority of Islam throughout all traditions) would tell you that they worship the Prophet Muhammad or saints like Ali or Hussain. Even the "Ghulat" Qizilbash who were perhaps the most fervent Muslims in venerating Ali would not say that they worshipped him. This singular devotion to a monotheistic worship of God is so defining, it's literally in the statement you make to become a Muslim.

Well, some Ghulat did worship Ali and there is some examples. However, that is not important.
 
Well, some Ghulat did worship Ali and there is some examples. However, that is not important.


Yeah, I looked around a bit and was surprised to find that you're totally right on this. Even though the Qizilbash, who are considered radicals by the Twelvers (who are themselves considered radicals by Sunnis in a chain of increasing heterodoxy), aren't technically Ali-worshippers since they're just Batiniyya, the Bazighiyya Shi'a straight up thought Imam Jafar as-Sadiq was the embodiement of God.

However, that doesn't really diminish the point that the massive majority of Muslims, with the exception of a scarce few sects that are mostly extinct, don't believe in the divinity of any human.
 
This intertwines with something i was thinking about today... had Napoleon and Kleber's French Egyptian Expedition been successful in estabilishing a French protectorate over Egypt and most of Syria (maybe through the French navy not being blown to bits by Horatio Nelson at the Battle of The Nile), would the Wahhabi position be strengthened in the vicinity?
 
This intertwines with something i was thinking about today... had Napoleon and Kleber's French Egyptian Expedition been successful in estabilishing a French protectorate over Egypt and most of Syria (maybe through the French navy not being blown to bits by Horatio Nelson at the Battle of The Nile), would the Wahhabi position be strengthened in the vicinity?

They'd probably seize on the opportunity, and in our timeline, France left Egypt, and while the Wahabis still took advantage of it, and the millions of other conflicts, like in Serbia, Russia, and the Janissaries, and the dozens of other problems for Selim III, if France under Napoleon takes Egypt, and Syria, whats to stop the Saudis from taking the Hejaz, and take part in the destruction of a weak Ottoman Empire. Hejaz isn't the desert of Inner Arabia and is actually far well more industrialized, and with a lot more capital, and money in Hejaz, in a few decades, the Wahabis might be a regional force against the Ottomans.

In a Napoleon Egypt timeline, it's important to take in the Wahabis.
 
I doubt the Saudis could have defeated the Ottomans alone. They only established the modern day Saudi State after some shenanigans with the British and the Hashemites. On Wahabism, yes it is strict but it hardly rejects wealth. Just take a walk along one of Riyadh's streets.
 
The Wahhabi war was a war fought between the Ottoman Empire, and the Emirate of Diriyah, the first Saud state. It was between 1811 to 1818. They founded by the founder of Wahabism, Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhāb.

Wahabism one of the strictest forms of Islam, who rejected all luxury, and innovation. They Were a small tribe gained power in Nejd, but consolidated power in almost the entire Arabian peninsula.

The Wahabis in 1802 sacked Karbala in Iraq, causing the death of 5000 people, plundering of the Husyan Shrine, and the destruction of every saint memory in the city.

And in 1805, The Wahabis sacked Mecca and Medina, and the wrath of the cities was put on full display from the Wahabi menace, as they had finally had control of Hejaz, and Nejd. The Ottomans, under Selim III, were under too many other conflicts to deal with the Wahabis.

They were fighting the Serbian uprising, Anglo-Turkish war, Russo-Turkish war, French Invasion of Egypt, and subsequent Ali power takeover drama, Kabakci Mustafa's Coup, and way-way more conflicts that hampered Selim IIIs modernization attempts to bring the Ottomans back to equal technological levels as the rest of the world.


The occupation disrupted Ottoman finances, by attacking Ottoman Caravans. But under Mustafa VI, the Ottomans, with help with Mohammed Ali, finally took back Hejaz, and destroyed the First Saudi State.

But, what if the Wahabis won the war somehow, and kept the Hejaz? Is this possible? And how can we make it possible?[/QUOTE]

Not possible. If the Ottomans are extinct then Fath Ali Shah will do it.
 
I doubt the Saudis could have defeated the Ottomans alone. They only established the modern day Saudi State after some shenanigans with the British and the Hashemites. On Wahabism, yes it is strict but it hardly rejects wealth. Just take a walk along one of Riyadh's streets.

Is there a way they could win anyhow? On luxury, I meant they criticized the lifestyle of the Sultan.
 
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