The Visigoths Survive (or get wanked, your call)

Okay, so lets say that the Visigoths decisively win the Battle of Vouille (thus keeping southern France, and allowing King Alaric II to survive) and as a result, are also able to kick the Byzantines out. Now even stronger, they tater on decisively repel the Ummayyad Invasion of Iberia, and are able to keep them at bay for the time being.

So, how plausible is this (dont laugh) and what happens next? How is European history (and Muslim history) reshaped?
 
The Visigoths continue to weaken, gradually assimilating into the Romance population. By 1000, Visigothia is a kingdom inhabited by a people who call themselves Goths but speak a Romance language similar to Spanish or Portuguese.
 
To what extent are modern Spaniards descended from Visigoths, anyway?

Minimally, I'd assume. They were just a very minor ruling class lording over a much larger Romanized population. That is evidenced by there being only a handful of Visigothic words used in the Spanish language today... despite a long rule their impact is marginal.
 

sdrucker

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Okay, so lets say that the Visigoths decisively win the Battle of Vouille (thus keeping southern France, and allowing King Alaric II to survive) and as a result, are also able to kick the Byzantines out. Now even stronger, they tater on decisively repel the Ummayyad Invasion of Iberia, and are able to keep them at bay for the time being.

So, how plausible is this (dont laugh) and what happens next? How is European history (and Muslim history) reshaped?

How about an earlier POD: the Visigoths stay Arian. That would have made the kingdom far less anti-Semitic: heavy persecution of Jews led many to side with the Islamic invaders, enough that they used Jewish forces to garrison captured cities.
 
Actually, as far as the Visigoth impact on Spain is concerned, it may be more German then is commonly noted.

I am basing the following facts on personal observation which is totally uninformed, so please correct me if I'm way off base.

Many Spanish names, like those in every modern Latin language (except perhaps Roumanian, which I am not very familiar with) have a biblical or GERMAN origin. I.e., Ricardo, Enrique, Alfonso, Carlos. Sure, I can think of some with a Classical origin - Julio, Felipe, etc, but I think a minority.

Secondly, the suffix "es" is analogous to "ese" in English, "isch" in German, etc. I think this suffix is wholly German, although I know relatively little about Vulgate or any other Latin.

If these two thoughts are true, it would indicate that the German conquest of the West had a deeper impact then is generously realized. By me, anyway, lol.
 
Actually, as far as the Visigoth impact on Spain is concerned, it may be more German then is commonly noted.

I am basing the following facts on personal observation which is totally uninformed, so please correct me if I'm way off base.

Many Spanish names, like those in every modern Latin language (except perhaps Roumanian, which I am not very familiar with) have a biblical or GERMAN origin. I.e., Ricardo, Enrique, Alfonso, Carlos. Sure, I can think of some with a Classical origin - Julio, Felipe, etc, but I think a minority.

Secondly, the suffix "es" is analogous to "ese" in English, "isch" in German, etc. I think this suffix is wholly German, although I know relatively little about Vulgate or any other Latin.

If these two thoughts are true, it would indicate that the German conquest of the West had a deeper impact then is generously realized. By me, anyway, lol.
It's Germanic, by the way. German is a Western Germanic language, Gothic was Eastern Germanic. They were still very similar, though.
 

Valdemar II

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Actually, as far as the Visigoth impact on Spain is concerned, it may be more German then is commonly noted.

I am basing the following facts on personal observation which is totally uninformed, so please correct me if I'm way off base.

Many Spanish names, like those in every modern Latin language (except perhaps Roumanian, which I am not very familiar with) have a biblical or GERMAN origin. I.e., Ricardo, Enrique, Alfonso, Carlos. Sure, I can think of some with a Classical origin - Julio, Felipe, etc, but I think a minority.

Secondly, the suffix "es" is analogous to "ese" in English, "isch" in German, etc. I think this suffix is wholly German, although I know relatively little about Vulgate or any other Latin.

If these two thoughts are true, it would indicate that the German conquest of the West had a deeper impact then is generously realized. By me, anyway, lol.


Screeeeeeeeeeam:mad:

Germanic for god sake not German, the Visigoths was less German than the English are.
 
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