Good discusion .So does anyone have some links for CP victorious timelines-here or elsewhere?
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Good discusion .So does anyone have some links for CP victorious timelines-here or elsewhere?
Because such domination would be milder. I'm of the opinion that it is better to have large numbers of semi-powerful states than a hegemon with a string of client states.Why?
Huh? I think you're operating under false assumptions.For you the greater suffering IOTL is preferable because Poland was the one given reign over Eastern Central Europe and an artificial dominance over Germany as France's Eastern enforcer.
Even without Hitler Germany was getting a dictator by 1932-33 who was going to be revanchist. The question is when the war is coming and whether it would be the Nazis that start it. The German dictator might not be anti-Communist though (von Schleicher). Still with OTL peace what is to stop Stalin from coming to power and murdering tens of millions of Russians and subject peoples?
Something will have to be done about the Versailles treaty and Germany will have to be expanded to prevent a war. I think it can be done without war too, but Poland will have to cut a deal..will it?Assuming that a German war of revenge is inevitable (IMO it's not improbable, but can be avoided):.
How will it if Germany get violent over Poland? France and Britain cannot back down over that.1. It may be locallized, and thus avoid killing tens of millions of people.
True.2. The baltics, half of Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria may avoid decades of communist rule.
True, but with anti-communist Allies and CPs wanting it gone, its far less likely to survive long.Also, Communists may come to power in Russia in a CP victory as well as in an Entente victory.
Something will have to be done about the Versailles treaty and Germany will have to be expanded to prevent a war. I think it can be done without war too, but Poland will have to cut a deal..will it?
How will it if Germany get violent over Poland? France and Britain cannot back down over that.
True, but with anti-communist Allies and CPs wanting it gone, its far less likely to survive long.
I don't think any peace involves Germany keeping her colonies, period. Well, the British ones, at least. There's simply no way for them to enforce such a demand.
And it might be difficult for Britain to secure their return even if willing to, as she doesn't control them.
The Pacific ones were held by Australia, NZ and Japan, Kamerun by the French, while not only SWA but German East Africa as well were occupied by South Africa. Iirc the only German possession under direct British rule was Togoland.
In any case, I suspect this would be the least of Britain's concerns. The loss of the war will be a terrific blow to her prestige, and a corresponding fillip to the nationalist movement in India. The principal concern of Britain's new (Labour?) government is apt to be less about acquiring Togoland or Iraq, and much more about whether the Indian Empire is still tenable.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't territory occupied by British dominions be basically the same as being occupied by Britain? If Britain needs it, I imagine she could lean on them to give up these territories.
She could beg them to, but they would be very reluctant, and might well get stubborn about it. Participation in the war seems to have boosted nationalism there.
It's not impossible but it might require concessions in other areas, eg South Africa might pull out of German East, and even SWA (though that would be harder) if offered Bechuanaland and Southern Rhodesia in lieu. Keep in mind that a Britain which has just lost major war rprobably needs the Dominions more than they need her.
That said, in the case of SWA, it might pay Germany to let South Africa keep it. If the rights of the local German population are guaranteed, they will ally politically with the Boers, and with a lost war having discredited the British connection, it may not be too long before SA has a pro-German government.