The United British Isles - A World Building Project

[The Professor]

So union ideas:

• Surviving Henry of Gloucester leads to alternate Glorious Revolution and Anglican Stuarts "usurpers"
• James "III" captured and raised Anglican -> Anglican Stuart Dynasty
• Surviving Protestant Palatinate line succeeds over Hannover
• Surviving Racozy line succeeds over Hannover
• Surviving William of Gloucester

I'll have some alternate flag ideas.

 

[TimTurner]

I'll have some alternate flag ideas.

Tell me more.

 

[The Professor]

Tell me more.

Nothing major just avoiding red saltires.

 

[TheReformer]

Isn't Hannan a bit of a push to be leader of the liberal conservatives? Surely a more likely leader would for one be someone who was actually irl selected to be an MP unlike Hannan who has failed to be selected many times such as Dominic Raab, David Davis, Michael Gove, James Cleverly, Sajid Javid or Tom Tugendhat?

Also the name of the Tories would likely as suggested be the New Democratic Party as that was certainly the name proposed roughly at the time, or at least certainly around the second world war, by Macmillan who I assume would be a leader at some point?

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Isn't Hannan a bit of a push to be leader of the liberal conservatives? Surely a more likely leader would for one be someone who was actually irl selected to be an MP unlike Hannan who has failed to be selected many times such as Dominic Raab, David Davis, Michael Gove, James Cleverly, Sajid Javid or Tom Tugendhat?

Also the name of the Tories would likely as suggested be the New Democratic Party as that was certainly the name proposed roughly at the time, or at least certainly around the second world war, by Macmillan who I assume would be a leader at some point?

After reading a bit about Macmillan's idea of a New Democratic Party I think that would probably be the best name for the liberal conservative, centre-right party. Also I think Anna Soubry should lead the new dems. (Or some other one nation tory who is fairly pro-europe and socially liberal, maybe even Ruth Davidson?)

 

[Bjornhattan]

Isn't Hannan a bit of a push to be leader of the liberal conservatives? Surely a more likely leader would for one be someone who was actually irl selected to be an MP unlike Hannan who has failed to be selected many times such as Dominic Raab, David Davis, Michael Gove, James Cleverly, Sajid Javid or Tom Tugendhat?

Also the name of the Tories would likely as suggested be the New Democratic Party as that was certainly the name proposed roughly at the time, or at least certainly around the second world war, by Macmillan who I assume would be a leader at some point?

I actually could see the New Dems led by an OTL Lib Dem, maybe Nick Clegg. If he was still in Sheffield Hallam, I'd expect that seat to be safe New Dem, so he should have held it until the present day.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

I actually could see the New Dems led by an OTL Lib Dem, maybe Nick Clegg. If he was still in Sheffield Hallam, I'd expect that seat to be safe New Dem, so he should have held it until the present day.

A conservative liberal party then? With more focus on economic liberalism rather than social?

 

[Bjornhattan]

A conservative liberal party then? With more focus on economic liberalism rather than social?

That's how I was imagining it, socially liberal but with the focus on economics. The very socially liberal vote would go for Reform.

 

[sarahz]

I actually could see the New Dems led by an OTL Lib Dem, maybe Nick Clegg. If he was still in Sheffield Hallam, I'd expect that seat to be safe New Dem, so he should have held it until the present day.

possibly Jeremy Brown if one wanted a right wing Liberal/ One Nation Tory or David Laws.

 

[The Professor]

Tell me more.

The first 4 in this other request probably fit best. Especially the rhs.

@Roger Redux
Ideas for your triple union leading to single Kingdom of Britannica. The last 4 being Britannia ideas
Let me know what you think and any alterations etc
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If we go with a continuing Stuart Dynasty at time of the triple union then I'll probably fleury up the gold ring. That'll also reference the pretence to France.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

What if we have Sinn Fein be a big tent of people who are for Irish independence and just those who are regionalists. Maybe similar to the Bloc/Parti Quebecois?

 

[Wily]

Just floating around with some ideas. Well, a few of my own but mostly a collection of everyone else's ideas.

New Democratic Party (Anna Soubry): Liberal conservatism, Classical liberalism, Pro-Europeanism.
Country Party (Frank Field): Christian democracy, Agrarianism, Regionalism, Social conservatism, Economic nationalism, Soft Euroscepticism.
Progressive Party (Yvette Cooper): Social liberalism, Pro-Europeanism.
United Left (Andy Burnham): Democratic socialism, Left-wing populism, Soft Euroscepticism.
National Democratic Party (Nigel Farage): Right-wing populism, Paleoconservatism, Hard Euroscepticism.
Green Party (Siân Berry): Green politics, Eco-socialism, Progressivism, Pro-Europeanism.

Daoine na hÉireann (TBD): Christian democracy, Pro-Europeanism.
Sinn Fein (Gerry Adams): Irish nationalism, Irish independence.
Protestant Unionist Party (Ian Paisley Jr.): British unionism, National conservatism (Irish faction), Conservatism (Scottish faction), Hard Euroscepticism.

Scottish Republican Party (TBD): Social nationalism, Democratic socialism, Left-wing nationalism.
Pictish People's Party (TBD): Pictish ultranationalism, Neofascism, Hard Euroscepticism.

Plaid Cymru (Rhun ap Iorwerth): Welsh nationalism, Pro-Europeanism.

i've been thinking of incorporating the usage of electoral alliances into this alternate Britain. I think this alignment of parties could work in both good political times and bad.

Forward Together: an alliance of center-right to center-left parties whose main goal is supporting the European Union( or something resembling EU) and are skeptical of the major promises of the Left and Right
New Democratic Party (Anna Soubry)
Progressive Party (Yvette Cooper)
Daoine na hÉireann (TBD)

A Britain for All: Alliance of left wing parties who support socialism/left wing populism/anything really left of center. Largely put their differences aside in terms of their perceptions of the EU
United Left (Andy Burnham)
Green Party (Siân Berry)
Scottish Republican Party (Patrick Grady)

Britain deserves better: A right wing populist alliance of parties that are strongly euro-skeptic advocating for Britain to let go of the EU and embrace the ties with the commonwealth and is also strongly unionist
National Democratic Party (Nigel Farage)
Protestant Unionist Party (Ian Paisley Jr.)
Country Party (Frank Field)

The Country Party usually supports the party in power,whomever it may be, in exchange for large subsidies and investment towards the rural areas of Britain. They're pretty ideologically flexible with the common insult being they want to "capitalise its gains and socialise its losses". However, given losses in recent years to the NDP, they've decided to join the alliance in a deal in order to regain their lost seats. This is tentative however, and there is a big chance that Field may bolt from the alliance if they perform worse than expected ( i'm thinking of them being an loose analogue of the Australian National party).

the rest like sinn fein and plaid cymru don't really have an reason to join any electoral alliance and the Pictish People's Party is insane so no one wants to campaign with them.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

i've been thinking of incorporating the usage of electoral alliances into this alternate Britain. I think this alignment of parties could work in both good political times and bad.

Forward Together: an alliance of center-right to center-left parties whose main goal is supporting the European Union( or something resembling EU) and are skeptical of the major promises of the Left and Right
Liberal Conservative Party (Anna Soubry)
Progressive Party (Yvette Cooper)
Daoine na hÉireann (TBD)

A Britain for All: Alliance of left wing parties who support socialism/left wing populism/anything really left of center. Largely put their differences aside in terms of their perceptions of the EU
United Left (Andy Burnham)
Green Party (Siân Berry)
Scottish Republican Party (Patrick Grady)

Britain deserves better: A right wing populist alliance of parties that are strongly euro-skeptic advocating for Britain to let go of the EU and embrace the ties with the commonwealth and is also strongly unionist
National Democratic Party (Nigel Farage)
Protestant Unionist Party (Ian Paisley Jr.)
Country Party (Frank Field)

The Country Party usually supports the party in power,whomever it may be, in exchange for large subsidies and investment towards the rural areas of Britain. They're pretty ideologically flexible with the common insult being they want to "capitalise its gains and socialise its losses". However, given losses in recent years to the NDP, they've decided to join the alliance in a deal in order to regain their lost seats. This is tentative however, and there is a big chance that Field may bolt from the alliance if they perform worse than expected ( i'm thinking of them being an loose analogue of the Australian National party).

the rest like sinn fein and plaid cymru don't really have an reason to join any electoral alliance and the Pictish People's Party is insane so no one wants to campaign with them.

Amazing but the Liberal Conservatives should be called the New Democratic Party. Although to be fair I hadn't known that calling it New Democratic Party was such a good idea until after I'd finished my list.

 

[The Professor]

Some flag ideas:

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Some flag ideas:
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How do you make these flags?

 

[The Professor]

How do you make these flags?

Currently have access to my dad's photoshop elements editor which is a bit like GIMP.
Is useful for rotating and creating things.
But for general flag designing if i'm out and about then pixlr.com works fine as it allows layers and shapes.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

I think it's about time to finalise this list now.

Forward Together
New Democratic Party (Anna Soubry)
Progressive Party (Yvette Cooper)
Daoine na hÉireann (Simon Coveney)

A Britain for All
United Left (John McDonnell)
Scottish Republican Party (Patrick Grady)
Green Party (Siân Berry)

Britain Deserves Better
Country Party (Frank Field)
National Democratic Party (Nigel Farage)
Protestant Unionist Party (Ian Paisley Jr.)

non-aligned parties
Sinn Féin (Alasdair McDonnell)
Plaid Cymru (Rhun ap Iorwerth)
Pictish People's Party (Gary Raikes)

 

[The Professor]

Before getting carried away making up parties perhaps come up with a rough timeline of union?
Then we can work out how the Tories and Whigs break up and evolve, and add in

• unionist vs nationalist,
• liberal vs authoritative,
• reform vs conservative,
• socialism,
• environmentalism,

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Before getting carried away making up parties perhaps come up with a rough timeline of union?
Then we can work out how the Tories and Whigs break up and evolve, and add in

• unionist vs nationalist,
• liberal vs authoritative,
• reform vs conservative,
• socialism,
• environmentalism,

Good idea, let's work on that. The POD should be post famine (or include the famine still happening in some way) so that we don't have to redraw Ireland's constituencies, unless anyone has a really good idea with it not happening.

 

[The Professor]

Good idea, let's work on that. The POD should be post famine (or include the famine still happening in some way) so that we don't have to redraw Ireland, unless anyone has a really good idea with it not happening.

If so then I think some sort of POD that doesn't hamstring the political response during the crisis. Then natural political PR presenting that as helping the common Irishman should dampen independence and also boost the population relative to OTL.