The United British Isles - A World Building Project

[Amateur Psephologist]

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Liberal-Conservative (Daniel Hannan): Born out of the postwar merger of the two parties, the Liberal Conservatives are a lightly right-of-center, moderately libertarian-ish party that has pro and anti Europe wings much like the OTL Tories.
Christian Cooperative Party (Jonathan Reynolds): A Christian Democratic, populist/agrarian outfit that advocates a socially conservative, economically populist message.
Social Democratic & Labour (Jeremy Corbyn): Democratic socialism, trade unionism, left-wing populism.
Reform Party (David Milliband): Born out of ex Lib-Cons, CCP'ers, and disaffected SDLP members, the Reform Party stands for European integration, social liberalism, centrism, etc.
National Democratic (Nigel Farage): Anti-immigration, anti-Europe, protectionist, right-wing populism.
Green Party (Caroline Lucas): Green politics, community politics, eco-socialism.
Scottish Republican (TBD): Scottish nationalism, socialism, left-wing nationalism.
Protestant Unionist (Ian Paisley Jr.): Ulster regionalism, conservatism, right-wing populism.
Sinn Fein (Gerry Adams): Irish nationalism, left-wing nationalism, republicanism.
Irish Parliamentary Party (Edna Kelly): Irish unionism, centrism, Christian Democracy.
Plaid Cymru (Leanne Wood): Welsh regionalism, left-wing populism, social democracy.
United Left (Salma Yaqoob): Trots, far left-wing, socialism, republicanism.

Edit: I renamed the IPP and PB4P, but retained some other things (like the SDLP). Is this list acceptable? I figured United Left would fit a minor party better than the established labour party. It's your project of course, so feel free to make changes.

It's very good, but again the POD is yet to be finalised so there may be things here and there that need changing and other people might have input on the parties.

 

[Oxander]

Ha, I know it's a laugh and a lark, but Pictish People's Party just rolls off the tongue.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Ha, I know it's a laugh and a lark, but Pictish People's Party just rolls off the tongue.

You know we should totally do that, right?

 

[Oxander]

You know we should totally do that, right?

You could go nuts with it, too. About being the only "true" natives of the isles, go hard right-wing reactionary, so on, so forth.

 

[AltFuture]

Just a little proposal: What about having some right-wing/center-right nationalist Irish party as an alternative to Sinn Fein?

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

You could go nuts with it, too. About being the only "true" natives of the isles, go hard right-wing reactionary, so on, so forth.

Love it.

 

[Nazi Space Spy]

Just a little proposal: What about having some right-wing/center-right nationalist Irish party as an alternative to Sinn Fein?

That's kinda what I envisioned the IPP being overall, but more center-right than the hard right.

As for the POD, I'd recommend that it be a bit later than the Potato Famine, because the seats for Ireland in the original thread represent OTL numbers and would need to be changed.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Maybe with my idea to have the PBP type party and SD&L Party merging could happen when we are past the basic world building and we are onto the continuation part. Maybe this could result in a surge of the moderate left 'Reform' or 'Progressive' party. @Nazi Space Spy

 

[sarahz]

What do people think of this proposal? We haven' fleshed out the history of the world yet, so I'm just posting random ideas here. None of this may be relevant in the end, it's just a new take on the traditional party system.

National Level Parties.
New Democratic (Sajid Javid): Born out of the merger between the Liberals and Tories after WWII, the NDP stands for Christian Democracy and is pro-Europe (or whatever the equivalent is). Very similar to Angela Murkel's party.
Progressive (Yvette Cooper): A pro European, relatively centrist party based around OTL Liberal Democrats and New Labour.
Social Democratic & Labor (Ronnie Campbell): The SDLP is the main party of the trade unions and the left. They are anti-Europe and favor returning Britain to the era of nationalizations.
Cooperative Party (Jonathan Reynolds): A slightly left-of center populist/agrarian outfit that advocates a socially conservative, economically populist message.
British Peoples Pary (Daniel Hannan): A right-leaning populist/libertarian party that is fiercely anti-Europe, staunchly capitalist (think Thatcherism), and skeptical of immigration without being outwardly nativist. I'd imagine Farage and those calling for "NewKip" in OTL would fit in with this party.
Green Party (Sian Berry):


There are also several potential regional parties. I'd imagine Ireland would have Irish Unionists as well as Republicans, and Scotland and Wales would have SNP/PC analogues here.

One assumes that under NDP the Liberals referred to are the National Liberals, or a variant thereof descended from LL_G's coalition Liberals. To secure a continuing Liberal Democrat tradition to join the progressives there would need to also be a continuing Independent Liberal Party too. The trouble is a more centrist National Liberal Bloc might prevent the 2nd ever emerging, but it would make the far right more likely to leave the proto-NDP.

 

[sarahz]

That's kinda what I envisioned the IPP being overall, but more center-right than the hard right.


well the FF is a right wing alternative to Sein Fein historically speaking.

 

[Wily]

I have another proposed party system that I actually like a little better. Credit to @Techdread and the W3L project for inspiring the Scottish Republicans and Reform Party.

Scottish Republican (TBD): Scottish nationalism, socialism, left-wing nationalism.
Democratic Unionist (Ian Paisley Jr.): Ulster regionalism, conservatism, right-wing populism.

Just an added question/suggestion. given an left wing Scottish Nationalist Party, and given that most ulster loyalist roots are in Scotland, would it not be possible for the Democratic Unionists to be active in Scotland standing in for the unionists? Then again there may not be a real base for them as probably only people who'd vote for them are Rangers FC hooligans.

 

[Pragmatic Progressive]

An election: we'll kick this project off with an election, which will be played out in real time like in Our Fair Country for example. Day to day news coverage of events, legislation, and world affairs will take place around this point. If not an election, some major world or country changing event in politics or something, but an election is probably the best idea unless someone has an idea.

What about a war-starting event or civil war instead of an election?

 

[Nazi Space Spy]

What about a war-starting event or civil war instead of an election?

I'd really prefer starting with an election.

 

[Bjornhattan]

I'd really prefer starting with an election.

What about some sort of referendum, as opposed to an election?

Specifically, it might be interesting to have some sort of Irish independence referendum, if it makes sense based on the POD.

 

[Jonathan]

As for a Yorkshire/Northern/Irish party how about Farmer–Countryside Conservative Alliance Party, supporting traditional views such as Fox hunting and pro-rural businesses and life styles

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Just an added question/suggestion. given an left wing Scottish Nationalist Party, and given that most ulster loyalist roots are in Scotland, would it not be possible for the Democratic Unionists to be active in Scotland standing in for the unionists? Then again there may not be a real base for them as probably only people who'd vote for them are Rangers FC hooligans.

Maybe a more moderate unionist faction in Scotland. I like your idea.

What about a war-starting event or civil war instead of an election?

I suppose a war could be interesting but what would the war be? An Irish war of independence? Don't think so.

What about some sort of referendum, as opposed to an election?

Specifically, it might be interesting to have some sort of Irish independence referendum, if it makes sense based on the POD.

I think this is a really good way to go. An Irish independence referendum, maybe with a devo max option as well or something along those lines.

As for a Yorkshire/Northern/Irish party how about Farmer–Countryside Conservative Alliance Party, supporting traditional views such as Fox hunting and pro-rural businesses and life styles

I think that is the close to broad consensus' ideas for a ruralist, regionalist, social conservative party with an economic nationalist slant.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Just floating around with some ideas. Well, a few of my own but mostly a collection of everyone else's ideas.

Liberal Conservative Party (Anna Soubry): Liberal conservatism, Classical liberalism, Pro-Europeanism.
Country Party (Frank Field): Christian democracy, Agrarianism, Regionalism, Social conservatism, Economic nationalism, Soft Euroscepticism.
Progressive Party (Yvette Cooper): Social liberalism, Pro-Europeanism.
United Left (Andy Burnham): Democratic socialism, Left-wing populism, Soft Euroscepticism.
National Democratic Party (Nigel Farage): Right-wing populism, Paleoconservatism, Hard Euroscepticism.
Green Party (Siân Berry): Green politics, Eco-socialism, Progressivism, Pro-Europeanism.

Daoine na hÉireann (TBD): Christian democracy, Pro-Europeanism.
Sinn Fein (Gerry Adams): Irish nationalism, Irish independence.
Protestant Unionist Party (Ian Paisley Jr.): British unionism, National conservatism (Irish faction), Conservatism (Scottish faction), Hard Euroscepticism.

Scottish Republican Party (TBD): Social nationalism, Democratic socialism, Left-wing nationalism.
Pictish People's Party (TBD): Pictish ultranationalism, Neofascism, Hard Euroscepticism.

Plaid Cymru (Rhun ap Iorwerth): Welsh nationalism, Pro-Europeanism.

 

[Nazi Space Spy]

Just floating around with some ideas. Well, a few of my own but mostly a collection of everyone else's ideas.

Liberal Conservative Party (Anna Soubry): Liberal conservatism, Classical liberalism, Pro-Europeanism.
Country Party (Frank Field): Christian democracy, Agrarianism, Regionalism, Social conservatism, Economic nationalism, Soft Euroscepticism.
Progressive Party (Yvette Cooper): Social liberalism, Pro-Europeanism.
United Left (Andy Burnham): Democratic socialism, Left-wing populism, Soft Euroscepticism.
National Democratic Party (Nigel Farage): Right-wing populism, Paleoconservatism, Hard Euroscepticism.
Green Party (Siân Berry): Green politics, Eco-socialism, Progressivism, Pro-Europeanism.

Daoine na hÉireann (TBD): Christian democracy, Pro-Europeanism.
Sinn Fein (Gerry Adams): Irish nationalism, Irish independence.
Protestant Unionist Party (Ian Paisley Jr.): British unionism, National conservatism (Irish faction), Conservatism (Scottish faction), Hard Euroscepticism.

Scottish Republican Party (TBD): Social nationalism, Democratic socialism, Left-wing nationalism.
Pictish People's Party (TBD): Pictish ultranationalism, Neofascism, Hard Euroscepticism.

Plaid Cymru (Rhun ap Iorwerth): Welsh nationalism, Pro-Europeanism.

Perhaps my idea is too convergent, but Corbyn might be a good fit for the United Left.

 

[The Professor]

Before getting carried away making up parties perhaps come up with a rough timeline of union? Then we can work out how the Tories and Whigs break up and evolve, and add in unionist vs nationalist, liberal vs authoritative, reform vs conservative, socialism, and environmentalism, as they arise.

 

[Amateur Psephologist]

Perhaps my idea is too convergent, but Corbyn might be a good fit for the United Left.

Maybe as a previous leader.