The Union Reborn - A surviving Soviet Union

[nico223]

Republics will as independent states. They will makes their police and army but to use Russia as a source of money. will make their foreign and domestic policy.Speaking "Russian and Moscow are their enemy.Not give money, want to command We want all the russians money, or we leave". This will cause conflict with Moscow and the expulsion of the Russian population in the republics The country will fall apart after a year

You give the freedom and money for peoples.No thanks.Want more. Not more.They begin to hate.
The Communist Party gave the freedom to the peoples.They destroyed Communist Party.Its life

 

[ElectricSheepNo54]

I'd like those lists when you've gotthem, and if you'd like suggestions for this TL, I'd be happy to send some.

Here are my (preliminary and unfinished) lists:

USA

1989 - 1992: George HW Bush
1993 - 1996: Tom Harkin
1997 - 2004: Al Gore
2005 - 2008: George W Bush
2009 - 2012: John Edwards

UK

1990 - 1995: John Major
1995 - 2000: Tony Blair
2000 - 2005: Charles Kennedy
2005 - 2010: David Cameron
2010 - 2015: Jeremy Corbyn

USSR

1985 - 1992: Mikhail Gorbachev
1993 - 1996: Sergei Plekhanov
1997 - 2000: Gregory Yavlinsky
2001 - 2008: Valentina Tereshkova

 

[Miss Teri]

USSR

1985 - 1992: Mikhail Gorbachev
1993 - 1996: Sergei Plekhanov
1997 - 2000: Gregory Yavlinsky
2001 - 2008: Valentina Tereshkova

Sweet. I do wonder if the reform revitalize the Soviet Space program. Maybe continue the Mir program.

 

[ElectricSheepNo54]

Sweet. I do wonder if the reform revitalize the Soviet Space program. Maybe continue the Mir program.

I think the Soviet Space program will continue in full force. Premier Tereshkova will be a major patron of Soviet space travel and science. We might even see a Mars landing in TTL.

 

[nico223]

1997 - 2000: Gregory Yavlinsky

2001 - 2008: Valentina Tereshkova

absurdity.Nazarbayev can as an intermediary between Kiev and Moscow

Ukraine will be headed by the anti-Russian bloc in the Soviet Union​

 

[historybuff]

If you'd like suggestions for this TL, let me know.

 

[BootOnFace]

Given how the Soviet Union was already a military power that acts in a deplorable manner to secure their interests (and how the modern Russia is acting of late), we can't exactly blame the forum for being unenthusiastic about this. Plenty have shown interest, however.

Yeah but we see German Empire and British Empire wanks all the time. I think it's mainly just leftover Russophobia from the Cold War.

 

[Remitonov]

Yeah but we see German Empire and British Empire wanks all the time. I think it's mainly just leftover Russophobia from the Cold War.

Well, there that too. Russia IOTL is already very wanked as it is (not as much as China or the US, but still), and they've used that power for a whole lot of things that had pretty much turned the rest of Eastern Europe against them, and is still using it to their own advantage.

But enough digressing. We'll see how this Union State goes. :3

 

[nico223]

Well, there that too. Russia IOTL is already very wanked as it is (not as much as China or the US, but still), and they've used that power for a whole lot of things that had pretty much turned the rest of Eastern Europe against them

You know that the people in Russia lived much worse than the population of Eastern Europe during the Soviet Union.Here is a sample on the crazy Russian Empire.The population of many Soviet republics had more money than the population of the Russian Federation, for example in the Baltic States.
Russian in the Soviet Union told what to think about the interests of the Russian people is fascism. First you need to think about other countries.It was called the Soviet internationalism.
Marxism is a theory of happiness to the world.
Not for a single country.Such a state could not exist long.Only if in a totalitarian system.If the beginning of freedom, it immediately collapsed.If the residents of London would live worse than in Delhi is such a crazy British Empire in a democracy would be broken up in a day.

 

[Kibbutznik]

Well, there that too. Russia IOTL is already very wanked as it is (not as much as China or the US, but still), and they've used that power for a whole lot of things that had pretty much turned the rest of Eastern Europe against them

You know that the people in Russia lived much worse than the population of Eastern Europe during the Soviet Union.Here is a sample on the crazy Russian Empire.The population of many Soviet republics had more money than the population of the Russian Federation, for example in the Baltic States.
Russian in the Soviet Union told what to think about the interests of the Russian people is fascism. First you need to think about other countries.It was called the Soviet internationalism.
Marxism is a theory of happiness to the world.
Not for a single country.Such a state could not exist long.Only if in a totalitarian system.If the beginning of freedom, it immediately collapsed.If the residents of London would live worse than in Delhi is such a crazy British Empire in a democracy would be broken up in a day.

Can we get some statistics for this? Because a simple Wikipedia search posits that Soviet GDPpc from 1950 to 1990 was only second to that of Czechoslovakia, with Hungary and Bulgaria playing catchup interchangeably. That last bit was actually very surprising to me.

This excludes East germany, as I wasn't able to find any comparable information on the DDR's GDPpc.

 

[nico223]

Vladimir Putin's formative German years
By Chris BowlbyBBC News, Dresden

• 27 March 2015

Putin's then wife, Ludmila, later recalled that life in the GDR was very different from life in the USSR. "The streets were clean. They would wash their windows once a week," she said in an interview published in 2000, as part of First Person, a book of interviews with Russia's new and then little-known acting president.

East Germany enjoyed higher living standards than the Soviet Union and a former KGB colleague, Vladimir Usoltsev, describes Putin spending hours leafing through Western mail-order catalogues, to keep up with fashions and trends.
East Germany differed from the USSR in another way too - it had a number of separate political parties, even though it was still firmly under communist rule, or appeared to be.

"He enjoyed very much this little paradise for him," says Boris Reitschuster. East Germany, he says, "is his model of politics especially. He rebuilt some kind of East Germany in Russia now."
"Their German friends give them a 20-year-old washing machine and with this they drive back to Leningrad," says Putin biographer and critic Masha Gessen. "There's a strong sense that he was serving his country and had nothing to show for it."

 

[Kibbutznik]

snip

My point still stands that, with the exception of Germany and Czechoslovakia, the USSR had the highest GDPpc in the Warsaw Pact.

 

[nico223]

GDP is not the standard of living.
In Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, East Germany was much higher than in the USSR

You can find an example of the empire where the subordinate nations fared better than the imperialists?

 

[Daniwani]

GDP is not the standard of living.
In Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, East Germany was much higher than in the USSR

You can find an example of the empire where the subordinate nations fared better than the imperialists?

Actually, ironically, the average Pole and Finn fared better in the Russian Empire under their duchies then Russian Peasants (the majority of the ethnic Russian population) did.

 

[MaghrebUnited]

Well, there that too. Russia IOTL is already very wanked as it is (not as much as China or the US, but still), and they've used that power for a whole lot of things that had pretty much turned the rest of Eastern Europe against them

You know that the people in Russia lived much worse than the population of Eastern Europe during the Soviet Union.Here is a sample on the crazy Russian Empire.The population of many Soviet republics had more money than the population of the Russian Federation, for example in the Baltic States.
Russian in the Soviet Union told what to think about the interests of the Russian people is fascism. First you need to think about other countries.It was called the Soviet internationalism.
Marxism is a theory of happiness to the world.
Not for a single country.Such a state could not exist long.Only if in a totalitarian system.If the beginning of freedom, it immediately collapsed.If the residents of London would live worse than in Delhi is such a crazy British Empire in a democracy would be broken up in a day.

I am really interested to know how life was in the soviet union and how the soviets handled nationalism in the republics especially since everyone today think The Soviet union was Russia and it's really annoying , do you care to explain please

 

[Kibbutznik]

GDP is not the standard of living.
In Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland, East Germany was much higher than in the USSR

You can find an example of the empire where the subordinate nations fared better than the imperialists?

I hope you noticed that I was talking about GDPpc, not GDP

 

[nico223]

I am really interested to know how life was in the soviet union and how the soviets handled nationalism in the republics especially since everyone today think The Soviet union was Russia and it's really annoying , do you care to explain please

The main question is, why the Soviet Union collapsed.
Russian thought that if you do good to other people that people will return good too
It was a terrible mistake.
Russian help to develop a culture and language of the USSR republics.
It developed nationalism and hatred of Moscow.
Russian could destroy the national culture of other nations and the Soviet Union would have been up to now.

 

[ElectricSheepNo54]

I'll probably be able to get the first update done by the weekend!