The Union Forever: A TL
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pearsonwright
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Interesting, with the American Conservative Party making headway in the congress (something a Segregationist break-away party never managed to do), I wonder if the US is transitioning into a 3 party system, where although they almost never win, the American Conservative Party always extracts concessions, and House votes are common to decide President (perhaps the Electoral College is reformed so you only need a plurality?)
Also, who were the nominee's for the American Conservative party in 1948? It wasn't mentioned so I just chose the OTL Governors of Florida and Alabama for the ticket on my map.
Also, I know post #1058 is invalid, but is Guadeloupe and Martinique a state yet?
RamscoopRaider
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The US can't transition to a 3 party system without major changes to the way elections work, regional or single issue parties can stick around for awhile, until they become either irrelevant (due to changing opinions/demographics) or are co-opted by existing ones
There is something in political science called the N+1 rule, the maximum effective number of parties in a district are the number of winners, plus one, and US districts have only one winner so two effective parties
Regional or issue bias can change this for awhile but eventually it will come down to two parties
There is something in political science called the N+1 rule, the maximum effective number of parties in a district are the number of winners, plus one, and US districts have only one winner so two effective parties
Regional or issue bias can change this for awhile but eventually it will come down to two parties
pearsonwright
Banned
Well, it will be a "3-party" system for awhile (possibly until the early 70's or even a bit later), but I agree it will eventually transition to a "2-party" system, unless the American Conservative Party would choose another issue other than Segregation to take up as its main cause.
Interesting, with the American Conservative Party making headway in the congress (something a Segregationist break-away party never managed to do), I wonder if the US is transitioning into a 3 party system, where although they almost never win, the American Conservative Party always extracts concessions, and House votes are common to decide President (perhaps the Electoral College is reformed so you only need a plurality?)
Also, who were the nominee's for the American Conservative party in 1948? It wasn't mentioned so I just chose the OTL Governors of Florida and Alabama for the ticket on my map.
Also, I know post #1058 is invalid, but is Guadeloupe and Martinique a state yet?
Yes, Guadeloupe and Martinique is a state. Lets say the nominees for the 1948 ACP were Clayton Hinnant and Wade Gladson.
Just Curious, are those actual politicians, or made up names?
Made up names, as they all are at this point in the TL. Which reminds me, if anybody would like to see their name or some other name in the TL just pm me.
Oh and I like that graphic for the Senate break down. Cheers!
Exactly. I'm glad it happened earlier, too.
I give a lot of credit to an "easier" civil war, Caribbean states (with high black populations) and Hispanic states.
Very nice.
I thought Macedonia was supposed to be independent by the end. And what are the 4 Baltic autonomous areas?
pearsonwright
Banned
I guess it was, but it seemed odd to me that when the Balkan states carved up the Ottoman Empire, they leave it independent, contrary to OTL. Then again, Bulgaria and Serbia might have had an argument over it, so it was left as its own state as a compromise. I'll fix it.
from top to Bottom: Estonia, Livonia, Courland, Lithuania
Tell that to Canada. We have one winner per riding yet have 3 major parties, a okay minor one and had a strong regional one.
RamscoopRaider
Donor
There are exceptions for single issues and regional biases, as well as temporary conditions, yet long term 2 parties are most effective, and in fact it sort of looks like Canada is slowly transitioning to that
It has one party that is under 2/3rds that of one major and less than half the other
The N+1 rule is a rule not a law, it is a general rule of thumb and usually works fairly well
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Here is a much over due map of Europe from 1950 based off the one Pearsonwright has made, many thanks. A few retcons that I am going to make is that Serbia does control Macedonia, and that Slovenia and Croatia are republics. Also, I am still not 100% happy with the Syrian/Mesopotamian Border.
Is Malta independent, or is that color derivative from another country's?
And that little spot on Spain's west coast; is that an overlooked spot?
Also, I cleaned up Norway's, Iceland's, and Svalbard's pixels for you, and colored Jan Mayen and Bear islands Norway's colors.
And that little spot on Spain's west coast; is that an overlooked spot?
Also, I cleaned up Norway's, Iceland's, and Svalbard's pixels for you, and colored Jan Mayen and Bear islands Norway's colors.
pearsonwright
Banned
Wouldn't Italy have gotten Istria? It seems odd that Croatia and Slovenia would recieve them, when Italy contributed far more to the war effort, and a good deal of Istria was Italian populated?
Also, because East Thrace is closer to Bulgaria, and Bulgaria hasn't gotten much "compensation" for its war efforts, I could see it going to them.
Also, shouldn't there be more autonomous groups in Russia?
Also, because East Thrace is closer to Bulgaria, and Bulgaria hasn't gotten much "compensation" for its war efforts, I could see it going to them.
Also, shouldn't there be more autonomous groups in Russia?
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pearsonwright
Banned
Though MacGregor said in his update that the Dominion of Ireland consisted of "Catholic Areas", So we might see a Ireland like this:
