The Union Forever: A TL
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I think the Hungarians and the Czech might accept Habsburg rulers, since they were favoured by the Austrians post-1848.
Yeah, I leaning towards making Macedonia become part of the Kingdom of Serbia. My original thinking was that Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, Slovakia and Czech would be monarchies because they are sandwiched between Germany and Russia which are monarchies albeit consititional ones. What if a friendly Hapsburg was placed on the Hungarian throne, and Hohenzollern princes or dukes on the thrones of Bohemia and Slovakia. Would the Czechs and Slovaks accept this? I think there is a good chance that Croatia and Slovenia become republics due to thier proximity to the Republic of Italy and thier lack of a native nobility. Y'all's thoughts?
What about a united set of confederated monarchies/republics kind of like the Malaysian government? Maybe with a council like what Switzerland has, made up of elected representatives in Croatia and Slovenia, with a hereditary representative for the Serbian, Hungarian, Czech and Macedonia kingdoms? With that you could mix and match monarchies with republics, and pick where the seat of government is.
Certainly is interesting, but I doubt that so many Balkan nationalities (and Hungary and Czechia, too) would want to give up their sovereignty to a federation. I think they'd be separate.
I also spot a Communist state (presumably) in the Mascarenes, and an anarchy (I don't know?) in Severnaya Zemlya.
That would be a very cool setup but it strikes me as being to far fetched. I don't know why those different nationalities would want to be yoked together espeically if they have different government types.
Very true, the ethnic/national identities would in all likelihood prevent them from cooperating well.
I don't know what you oughta do with the Balkans.
I don't know what you oughta do with the Balkans.
historically since the late 1700's and early 1800's once labor rights started becoming an issue in American politics, trade unions were first and foremost illegal to form on account of the fact that they allegedly represented a conspiracy to stop working, against the employer and his/her interests.
Once labor unions were finally made legal later on, the issue shifted to labor union strikes and their legality, as well as concerted efforts by employers to union bust and generally stop the spread of unionism to the workplace.
After the fall of the Paris Commune of 1871, a VERY important event for the world, Labor Unionism shifted more towards the left, while most were more conservative, but nonetheless anarchists, and especially communists formed their own parties and/or trade unions.
I highly doubt that labor unionism would be "better" in The Union Forever, unless that is what you are going for, and there are a bevy of ways to achieve such a scenario.
Anyways, great point of divergence and ideas!
I hope to see more. Hello MacGregor:
a couple ideas about the end of the war:
~ Chile don't want territories
~ Ecuador/Peru territories dispute will be sumbited to a neutral arbitration
(No territorial ambitions by the winners)
~ surrender of the militar and politic leadership of Bolivia and Peru to the FA (you can have TTL Alt-Nüremberg) - blame them and no the counties
~ free elections under international supervision and subscription for the new goverments of the Charter of the Free Americas
~ severe delimitation of Bolivia and Peru armed forces.
~ No or very small reparation to Chile and Bolivia
(the best way for Chile to have a secure north border is with prosper and democretics neighbors)
another idea: have you an TTL equivalent to the Statue of Liberty?
why don't have outside the FA (don't remember how you call it in the 2011 part) headquarters in Havana big statue offered by the Chilean people to the people of the free Americas?
again, thanks for your work, for making it the place were TTL Free Americas were born (it's easy to have an evil Chile who screw his neighbors) and for the victory in the war
a couple ideas about the end of the war:
~ Chile don't want territories
~ Ecuador/Peru territories dispute will be sumbited to a neutral arbitration
(No territorial ambitions by the winners)
~ surrender of the militar and politic leadership of Bolivia and Peru to the FA (you can have TTL Alt-Nüremberg) - blame them and no the counties
~ free elections under international supervision and subscription for the new goverments of the Charter of the Free Americas
~ severe delimitation of Bolivia and Peru armed forces.
~ No or very small reparation to Chile and Bolivia
(the best way for Chile to have a secure north border is with prosper and democretics neighbors)
another idea: have you an TTL equivalent to the Statue of Liberty?
why don't have outside the FA (don't remember how you call it in the 2011 part) headquarters in Havana big statue offered by the Chilean people to the people of the free Americas?
again, thanks for your work, for making it the place were TTL Free Americas were born (it's easy to have an evil Chile who screw his neighbors) and for the victory in the war
Good ideas, I think you will find some of them in the final peace settlement. I also like the idea of Chile donating a statue at for the Free Americas headquarters in Havanna. Cheers!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivian_Naval_Force
well, in Chile the lakes and beaches are under the supervision of the Navy, and in the important cities are naval units, until a couples years ago you could go to the beach whit your friends to party and drink and the police coudn't do nothing to you... they have changed that
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivian_Naval_Force
well, in Chile the lakes and beaches are under the supervision of the Navy, and in the important cities are naval units, until a couples years ago you could go to the beach whit your friends to party and drink and the police coudn't do nothing to you... they have changed that
Couldn't do anything for what? Being at the beach drinking?
Is that a crime in Chile?
A. That sucks. So was at a de facto allowed practice before, or was there a legal reason it was permitted in the Navy towns?
B. That does make it a crime.
C. We're getting too far off topic, so if you'd like to delve further into A. we should go to PM.
Lots of places distinguish between 'criminal' and 'illegal'. Approximately the difference between 'felony' and 'misdemeanor' in the US.
Does anybody else care to speculate on the final peace treaty's terms? Also I would love to see some thoughts on flags for the European countries we have recently been discussing (Hungary, Slovenia, Bohemia, Croatia, Slovakia). Cheers!
Does anybody know of a better 1861 map than this? Also is this the kind of map I should use when I recreate the official maps for this TL? If this is the type of map to use does anybody know where to find them depicting future decades? Thanks
This should be Hungary's flag. It was used by the Habsburgs, and since there'll probably be a Habsburg on the throne (maybe II. Ferenc Ferdinand?
), that'd be the flag they'd use. For Serbia, I pasted together a flag in five minutes out of the Serbian civil flag (the Serbian tricolour has existed since 1835) and the royal coat of arms. Croatia can be this; it was used by the Habsburgs, but I think it fits a republic just as well. Slovenia and Slovakia I don't know about.As for the peace treaty, I think:
- Abandonment of Peruvian claims on Arica and Tacna (both of which were Chilean at the time).
- Favourable border settlements for Ecuador against Peru and for Paraguay (they were in the Free Americas, right?) against Bolivia.
- Restrictions on the Peruvian and Bolivian militaries.
- Free elections to be held in both countries.
- Limited war reparations for Peru and Bolivia.