The Union Forever: A TL
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Cuba, Santo Domingo, Puerto Rico. There is also the Oklahoma/Sequoyah split but there is no West Virginia.
I think there is also room for American Micronesia, American Polynesia, American Guiana, American Panama, American Guadalupe & Martinique (I believe includes St. Martin and Barthelemy), and American Samoa. Also Saint Pierre and Miquelon.
Awesome TL, Mac Gregor. The only quibble I have is with the Dakota divide, which was highly arbitrary in nature and was only done to try and earn Benjamin Harrison more Republican electoral votes.
If you'd like, I could make a map of TTL's US. I've recently made a MoF entry of a reverse Civil War, which got me a nice base of the US.
If you'd like, I could make a map of TTL's US. I've recently made a MoF entry of a reverse Civil War, which got me a nice base of the US.
I would love to see your version of the TTL's US.
On the Dakota's. Indeed i feel a little guilty about leaving those the same as OTL. I would be willing to hear about other possible ways to divide the territory.
I should think it would stay united in most cases, but if you insist on dividing it, the Missouri would probably make a good natural boundary. Of course, there wasn't much of anything there except mostly infertile plains and militant Sioux tribes, so they'd have a tough time governing themselves at first.
Here is the current map of the U.S. Cheers!
Yeah that was the map I used when listing the US states/territories.
Here is a map of the U.S. before the POD. This really leaves a lot of room to draw the borders differently. Does any body now why Arizona and New Mexico were split like they were in OTL?
http://www.azcentral.com/centennial...ure-borders-history-civil-war-new-mexico.html
Read some of this... Methinks it should go back to the East-west border, but I am not finished reading.
Edit: Well it seems the creation of the N-S border is before the POD.
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Wikipedia states that the Arizona territory was created until February, 1863.
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Surely you mean 1863? Otherwise Barry Goldwater must have campaigned out of a very new former territorial capitol.
Hey everybody, based off of a discussion with Ares96, I have been thinking about a possible retcon of some state borders in the TL. Basically, it is poor AH writing to have a North and South Dakota the exact same as OTL. Also after a little research it looks like it is also unlikely (although certainly not impossible) that Wyoming and Montana would keep their names as well.
I am trying to split OTL North and South Dakotas along the Missouri River. While the TTL version's of Montana and Wyoming would have different borders as well. Does anybody have any suggestions for what to name these states? I think the state next to Minnesota would simply be called Dakota.
I would love to here y'all's thoughts.
Cheers!.
The following is a rough sketch I made or some possible border changes. (original map courtesy Ares96)
I am trying to split OTL North and South Dakotas along the Missouri River. While the TTL version's of Montana and Wyoming would have different borders as well. Does anybody have any suggestions for what to name these states? I think the state next to Minnesota would simply be called Dakota.
I would love to here y'all's thoughts.
Cheers!.
The following is a rough sketch I made or some possible border changes. (original map courtesy Ares96)
All I can think of is to name them after a former President, political figure, or general.
So, looking at the Black Hills region on a map, it would be the one in the south/west of the river. Cheyenne, Crow, Kiowa and Pawnee, and Arikara are all Native tribes associated with the area. Lakota, aka Sioux, are the dominant ones by the 1700s, apparently they called the area HeSapa, which means Black Mountains. Hesapa sounds kind of nice. Makes sense especially as you've got the border moved far enough west that the entire black hills region are in the state/territory.
Still looking for something for the N/W territory/state.
Still looking for something for the N/W territory/state.
Here is a much better map produced by Ares96. Please submit your choice for state names, preferably along with a reason. I would also be open to hear names about potential captals, but rememeber if its an OTL city it most have existed before the POD. Cheers!
What year did these states enter the Union?
Also do you want me to do some wikiboxes like before?
Also do you want me to do some wikiboxes like before?
3. Hesapa
Also, can you show me the original map so I can get a bearing on where OTL state borders have changed? Then I can look at what geographical features are still in the border of say the Wyoming analogue; I can then determine where a city might arise (although it's likely that they will be in similar places to OTL.)
Also, can you show me the original map so I can get a bearing on where OTL state borders have changed? Then I can look at what geographical features are still in the border of say the Wyoming analogue; I can then determine where a city might arise (although it's likely that they will be in similar places to OTL.)
For *Wyoming (#2) Teton (after the Teton Range) would be hilarious, with Fort Laramie serving as the capital.