very well done, but one thing that I still wonder about is how the civil rights movement in the US turned out.
The Union Forever: A TL
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Damn that Germany is fringing huge.
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Coming up. The last year of Robert T Lincoln. Who shall be the President of the United States now....so cannot wait for this.
Giant.
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Coming up. The last year of Robert T Lincoln. Who shall be the President of the United States now....so cannot wait for this.
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I just have to say this timeline has been awesome. It's one of the ones that showed me how high the bar is set here.
Just out of curiosity, what's that little state east of Slovakia on the map?
Just out of curiosity, what's that little state east of Slovakia on the map?
Earl_of_Somerset
Banned
I wish that that last update would have included every country involved.
I think there needs to be some explination for what happened in the balkans. (Alot of Mini States)
I think there needs to be some explination for what happened in the balkans. (Alot of Mini States)
Earl_of_Somerset
Banned
I predict That Libya-Tunisia and Algeria will stay forever with Italy and France respectivly.
I dont think there will be a second great war, as france wasn't screwed over with the treaty of brussles.
With no second great war, italy and france wont be in financial ruin, and therefore can hold the colonies long enough for them to settler colonize them.
I dont think there will be a second great war, as france wasn't screwed over with the treaty of brussles.
With no second great war, italy and france wont be in financial ruin, and therefore can hold the colonies long enough for them to settler colonize them.
Glad you have liked it. the little state east of Slovakia is Slovakia. the state to its west next to Germany is Bohemia and Moravia minus the Sudetenland which is incorporated into the Federal Kingdom of Germany.
All interesting points and observations. The two updates after next will deal with the the TL's world in 2011. I would like to know what people think this world will look like? My only caveat is that there will not be a Second Great War ITTL.
Spengler
Banned
I think the world will see Europe divided into three power blocks, being germany, russia, and Great Britain respectfully. Africa will have seen large amounts of deconization as most of the powers cannot properly hold onto their possessions. I suspect that their has been at least one experimentation with Marxism in the world as well. Japan I'm not sure, I could see it either going the way it does in EDT's FIght and be right or perhapse the bloody nose it has gotten will create a means for something like the showa period to come to fore creating a vengeful and isolationist japan. Italy I think will probably become more liberal over time especially that it has satisfied its territorial ambitions which means alot less people will listen to nationalist movements. China I'm not sure about, if it becomes fractured I could see it be it used as a means for the great powers to fight proxy wars.
This makes a lot of sense, as just becasue - as noted - Russia and Britain may become rivals doesn't mean it will erupt into war. Yes, the Cold War avoided becoming hot primarily because of the nukes on both sides, but there were also times when it might have anyway had not cooler heads prevailed.
For isntance, you might see Russia supporting an Indian Independence movement, which Britain might then try to counter by offering Dominion status, etc. As both try to curry favor with India, they don't go to war over it, but rather reach some sort of keep playing off each other to keep the other from becoming too powerful.
As for Civil Rights, with less animosity toward the North I can see things progressings lowly, like in Snake's "Up With the Star" or in my Print On Demand works, with or without baseball's help.
The fact Robert Lincoln is president may have something to do with it, too. Indeed, while the AH Civil War was too short for the Colored Regiments to appear, it's possible that they were of some use to the U.S. Army in this TL's Great War; I might easily have missed something when it came to that.this has been a lot of fun to follow.
Earl_of_Somerset
Banned
MY PREDICTION
2011:
Portugal and Spain's Colonies are fighting for independence.
North Africa has a slim European Majority, and its new dominanate religion is Catholicism.
Paupa New Guinea joins Australia in the 20's
South africa englarges in the 30's
Decolonization of the World in the 80's and 90's
Puppet States have also rebelled around this time.
America completes the first Nuclear Bomb in the late 70's
Panama and Nicaruga canal have been heavily Americanized and are Territories with Statehood pending.
French Guyana enters the Union in the 60's as Guyana.
Arabia abosrbs small Southern Arabia states in the 2000's
Also I think we need to get this TL 1000 comments before it ends!!!
2011:
Portugal and Spain's Colonies are fighting for independence.
North Africa has a slim European Majority, and its new dominanate religion is Catholicism.
Paupa New Guinea joins Australia in the 20's
South africa englarges in the 30's
Decolonization of the World in the 80's and 90's
Puppet States have also rebelled around this time.
America completes the first Nuclear Bomb in the late 70's
Panama and Nicaruga canal have been heavily Americanized and are Territories with Statehood pending.
French Guyana enters the Union in the 60's as Guyana.
Arabia abosrbs small Southern Arabia states in the 2000's
Also I think we need to get this TL 1000 comments before it ends!!!
Great Comments! I like what I am hearing. So do you think that the Netherlands can keep hold of Indonesia till 2011? Also judging by the map does Britain keep her Dominions in some sort of Imperial Federation or is it just like the Commonwealth of Nations in OTL?
Spengler
Banned
I really doubt the Netherland could hold indonesia, I think the total number of whites and indos was just a faction of the population. The best way the Dutch have any chance of retaining influence is to promote regionalism, but that would ensure no Indonesia.
Earl_of_Somerset
Banned
crap i forgot to update the map.
I was planning to make indonesia independent.
And the Dominions are the the commonwealth today
I was planning to make indonesia independent.
And the Dominions are the the commonwealth today
Wow! Great end to the Great War ITTL, I can't wait to see the updates ahead
I still foresee a war with Japan in the cards (or at least strained relations) given their unceremonious loss to Russia and the US/UK forces, although it need not expand into another Great War. I also second the notion of a Cold War equivalent, if not necessarily with the same participants.
Some questions;
1) What will be the status of former French Polynesia/Micronesia by 2011?
2) Will the Middle East end up being the violent hotspot it is IOTL, or more stable than that?
3) Is it possible for the Kosovo/Balkans situation to normalize, or can we expect as much or more drama over there compared again to OTL?
I still foresee a war with Japan in the cards (or at least strained relations) given their unceremonious loss to Russia and the US/UK forces, although it need not expand into another Great War. I also second the notion of a Cold War equivalent, if not necessarily with the same participants.
Some questions;
1) What will be the status of former French Polynesia/Micronesia by 2011?
2) Will the Middle East end up being the violent hotspot it is IOTL, or more stable than that?
3) Is it possible for the Kosovo/Balkans situation to normalize, or can we expect as much or more drama over there compared again to OTL?
The problem with an Independent Philippines, is that it really isn't a nation. At least not in the American or European senses of the term. The only reason why the Islands held together as one country was that the long American Occupation instilled a sense of "Philippine Nationhood" and featured the US crushing any Regionalist or Separatist Movements. If you don't have the US personally squashing those movements as in OTL, the Philippines will rather quickly fall apart into several different Countries in rather short order. The problem is that I doubt the US will be willing to exert so much effort just to keep the Philippines afloat.
Well, of course ethnic nationalism's not gonna work, but inculcating civic nationalism (something which, sadly, our leaders haven't done well) is the killer app here.
Earl_of_Somerset
Banned
Update soon?
Also it would be Awesome if there were Canal States! States made up of the Canal and there zones.
Also I think French Islands in the Carribean will become a Puerto Rico like thing, although French Guyana has a shot at becoming a State.
Also it would be Awesome if there were Canal States! States made up of the Canal and there zones.
Also I think French Islands in the Carribean will become a Puerto Rico like thing, although French Guyana has a shot at becoming a State.
just wondering what happened to Adolf Hitler, I mean he must have been 18 when the war broke out so did he fight for Austria or Germany or did he stay out of the war all together