The Union Forever: A TL
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Here is a list I made of US Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates for the world of The Union Forever.
List of US Presidential and Vice-Presidential Candidates
1864: Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME) def. Horatio Seymour (D-NY)/Lazarus W. Powell (D-KY)
1868: John Sedgwick (R-CT)/Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA) def. Horatio Seymour (D-NY)/Andrew Johnson (D-TN)
1872: John Sedgwick (R-CT)/Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA) def. Andrew Johnson (D-TN)/Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA)
1876: Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA)/James G. Blaine (R-ME) def. Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA)/William Allen (D-OH)
1880: Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA)/James G. Blaine (R-ME) def. Thomas S. Bayard (D-DE)/Samuel J. Randall (D-PA)
1884: Samuel J. Randall (D-PA)/David B. Hill (D-NY) def. James G. Blaine (R-ME)/Chester A. Arthur (R-NY)
1888: Samuel J. Randall (D-PA)/David B. Hill (D-NY) def. John Sherman (R-OH)/Thomas B. Reed (R-ME)
1892: David B. Hill (D-NY)/John M. Palmer (D-IL) def. Thomas B. Reed (R-ME)/William McKinley (R-OH)
1896: George Armstrong Custer (D-OH)/Horace Boise (D-IA) def. Mathew S. Quay (R-PA)/William B. Allison (R-IA)
1900: Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Nathan Goff Jr. (R-VA) def. George Armstrong Custer (D-OH)/Thomas J. Stuart (D-VA)
1904: Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Nathan Goff Jr. (R-VA) def. Henry G. Davis (D-VA)/Jonathan Y. Ferguson (D-MI)
1908: Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Andrew Johnson Jr. (R-TN) def. John W. Kern (D-IN)/Alton B. Parker (D-NY)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/Jacob R. Alexander (R-OR) def. Judson Harmon (D-OH)/Oscar W. Underwood (D-AL)
1916: Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/Jacob R. Alexander (R-OR) def. James B. Clark (D-MO)/Eugene Foss (D-MA)
1920: Leonard Wood (R-NH)/Nelson R. Doner (R-MO) def. Erik Millman (D-IN)/Neil Pilson (D-KY)
1924: Harold K. Abercrombie (D-NC)/Kenneth P. Bergstrom (D-MN) def. Nelson R. Doner (R-MO)/Marvin Clary (R-OH)
1928: Harold K. Abercrombie (D-NC)/Kenneth P. Bergstrom (D-MN) def. Marvin Clary (R-OH)/James Cowen (R-SQ)
1932: Zachary T. McKinnis (D-IA)/Edgar D. Glover (D-MS) def. Jerry F. Dawson (R-NJ)/Colby St. John (R-OR)
1936: Daniel E. Warburton (R-PA)/Travis B. Wingfield (R-ME) def. Edgar D. Glover (D-MS)/Arlen Tucker (D-IL)
1940: Vernon M. Kirkman (D-MA)/Timothy G. Buchholz (D-TX) def. Daniel E. Warburton (R-PA)/Travis B. Wingfield (R-ME)
1944: Vernon M. Kirkman (D-MA)/Timothy G. Buchholz (D-TX) def. Jasper V. Richards (R-CO)/Harold McCann (R-ME)
1948: Leroy R. Conner (R-GA)/Luther T. Vanderbilt Sr. (R-NY) def. Vernon M. Kirkman (D-MA)/Jonathan Broussard (D-LA) & Charles Hinnant (AC-MS)/Joseph Gladson (AC-AL)
1952: Leroy R. Conner (R-GA)/Luther T. Vanderbilt Sr. (R-NY) def. Wilber Gibbons (D-JF)/Paul Francis Delano (D-NY) & Charles Hinnant (AC-MS)/Joseph Gladson (AC-AL)
1956: Richard C. Anderson (D-NY)/Bryon Howley (D-MT) def. Luther T. Vanderbilt Sr. (R-NY)/Malcom Kesling (R-MI)
1960: Richard C. Anderson (D-NY)/Bryon Howley (D-MT) def. Clyde B. Nordquist (R-OH)/Herbert Fleming (R-CA)
1964: Frank MacArthur (R-WI)/Sterling Gavin (R-TX) def. Corbin Lindy (D-MI)/Herman Talon (D-DE)
1968: Frank MacArthur (R-WI)/Sterling Gavin (R-TX) def. Warren Maddox (D-VT)/Terrance Barnes (D-MN)
1972: Sterling Gavin (R-TX)/Waylon U. Schubert (R-IN) def. Monty Ziegler (D-WA)/Rupert Stubbs (D-NE)
1976: Margaret L. Stewart (D-CA)/Hudson Accardo (D-FL) def. Sterling Gavin (R-TX)/Waylon U. Schubert (R-IN)
1980: Margaret L. Stewart (D-CA)/Hudson Accardo (D-FL) def. Lloyd Hostetler (R-KY)/Corrine Atherton (R-WA)
1984: Andrew L. Peatross (D-NJ)/Chris Groce (R-AB) def. Bobby Wentz (R-OH)/Abraham Lincoln IV (R-IL)
1988: Abraham Lincoln IV (R-IL)/Palmer Lockwood (R-TX) def. Andrew L. Peatross (D-NJ)/Chris Groce (D-AB)
1992: Abraham Lincoln IV (R-IL)/Palmer Lockwood (R-TX) def. Ray D’Este (D-CT)/Karl McMaster (D-UT)
1996: Franklin M. Blanton (R-OH)/Lenny Rutledge (R-AL) def. Trevor Jeffries (D-NM)/Chase Moynihan (D-DA)
2000: Elias Zaal (D-LM)/Bridget Torres (D-CB) def. Franklin M. Blanton (R-OH)/Lenny Rutledge (R-AL)
List of US Presidential and Vice-Presidential Candidates
1864: Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)/Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME) def. Horatio Seymour (D-NY)/Lazarus W. Powell (D-KY)
1868: John Sedgwick (R-CT)/Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA) def. Horatio Seymour (D-NY)/Andrew Johnson (D-TN)
1872: John Sedgwick (R-CT)/Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA) def. Andrew Johnson (D-TN)/Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA)
1876: Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA)/James G. Blaine (R-ME) def. Winfield Scott Hancock (D-PA)/William Allen (D-OH)
1880: Arthur I. Boreman (R-VA)/James G. Blaine (R-ME) def. Thomas S. Bayard (D-DE)/Samuel J. Randall (D-PA)
1884: Samuel J. Randall (D-PA)/David B. Hill (D-NY) def. James G. Blaine (R-ME)/Chester A. Arthur (R-NY)
1888: Samuel J. Randall (D-PA)/David B. Hill (D-NY) def. John Sherman (R-OH)/Thomas B. Reed (R-ME)
1892: David B. Hill (D-NY)/John M. Palmer (D-IL) def. Thomas B. Reed (R-ME)/William McKinley (R-OH)
1896: George Armstrong Custer (D-OH)/Horace Boise (D-IA) def. Mathew S. Quay (R-PA)/William B. Allison (R-IA)
1900: Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Nathan Goff Jr. (R-VA) def. George Armstrong Custer (D-OH)/Thomas J. Stuart (D-VA)
1904: Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Nathan Goff Jr. (R-VA) def. Henry G. Davis (D-VA)/Jonathan Y. Ferguson (D-MI)
1908: Robert Todd Lincoln (R-IL)/Andrew Johnson Jr. (R-TN) def. John W. Kern (D-IN)/Alton B. Parker (D-NY)
1912: Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/Jacob R. Alexander (R-OR) def. Judson Harmon (D-OH)/Oscar W. Underwood (D-AL)
1916: Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)/Jacob R. Alexander (R-OR) def. James B. Clark (D-MO)/Eugene Foss (D-MA)
1920: Leonard Wood (R-NH)/Nelson R. Doner (R-MO) def. Erik Millman (D-IN)/Neil Pilson (D-KY)
1924: Harold K. Abercrombie (D-NC)/Kenneth P. Bergstrom (D-MN) def. Nelson R. Doner (R-MO)/Marvin Clary (R-OH)
1928: Harold K. Abercrombie (D-NC)/Kenneth P. Bergstrom (D-MN) def. Marvin Clary (R-OH)/James Cowen (R-SQ)
1932: Zachary T. McKinnis (D-IA)/Edgar D. Glover (D-MS) def. Jerry F. Dawson (R-NJ)/Colby St. John (R-OR)
1936: Daniel E. Warburton (R-PA)/Travis B. Wingfield (R-ME) def. Edgar D. Glover (D-MS)/Arlen Tucker (D-IL)
1940: Vernon M. Kirkman (D-MA)/Timothy G. Buchholz (D-TX) def. Daniel E. Warburton (R-PA)/Travis B. Wingfield (R-ME)
1944: Vernon M. Kirkman (D-MA)/Timothy G. Buchholz (D-TX) def. Jasper V. Richards (R-CO)/Harold McCann (R-ME)
1948: Leroy R. Conner (R-GA)/Luther T. Vanderbilt Sr. (R-NY) def. Vernon M. Kirkman (D-MA)/Jonathan Broussard (D-LA) & Charles Hinnant (AC-MS)/Joseph Gladson (AC-AL)
1952: Leroy R. Conner (R-GA)/Luther T. Vanderbilt Sr. (R-NY) def. Wilber Gibbons (D-JF)/Paul Francis Delano (D-NY) & Charles Hinnant (AC-MS)/Joseph Gladson (AC-AL)
1956: Richard C. Anderson (D-NY)/Bryon Howley (D-MT) def. Luther T. Vanderbilt Sr. (R-NY)/Malcom Kesling (R-MI)
1960: Richard C. Anderson (D-NY)/Bryon Howley (D-MT) def. Clyde B. Nordquist (R-OH)/Herbert Fleming (R-CA)
1964: Frank MacArthur (R-WI)/Sterling Gavin (R-TX) def. Corbin Lindy (D-MI)/Herman Talon (D-DE)
1968: Frank MacArthur (R-WI)/Sterling Gavin (R-TX) def. Warren Maddox (D-VT)/Terrance Barnes (D-MN)
1972: Sterling Gavin (R-TX)/Waylon U. Schubert (R-IN) def. Monty Ziegler (D-WA)/Rupert Stubbs (D-NE)
1976: Margaret L. Stewart (D-CA)/Hudson Accardo (D-FL) def. Sterling Gavin (R-TX)/Waylon U. Schubert (R-IN)
1980: Margaret L. Stewart (D-CA)/Hudson Accardo (D-FL) def. Lloyd Hostetler (R-KY)/Corrine Atherton (R-WA)
1984: Andrew L. Peatross (D-NJ)/Chris Groce (R-AB) def. Bobby Wentz (R-OH)/Abraham Lincoln IV (R-IL)
1988: Abraham Lincoln IV (R-IL)/Palmer Lockwood (R-TX) def. Andrew L. Peatross (D-NJ)/Chris Groce (D-AB)
1992: Abraham Lincoln IV (R-IL)/Palmer Lockwood (R-TX) def. Ray D’Este (D-CT)/Karl McMaster (D-UT)
1996: Franklin M. Blanton (R-OH)/Lenny Rutledge (R-AL) def. Trevor Jeffries (D-NM)/Chase Moynihan (D-DA)
2000: Elias Zaal (D-LM)/Bridget Torres (D-CB) def. Franklin M. Blanton (R-OH)/Lenny Rutledge (R-AL)
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Great, except you forgot to color in Macarthur in 1968.
Again, why would Germany do that? "Oh, sure, Mitya, we know you're a crazy nationalist dictator, but we're totally going to trust that you're going to keep your word and not stab us in the back." If Germany is smart, they'll supply the Reformers to give their new allies time to fully consolidate their territory. Germany and China are probably the two countries who benefit from this war geopolitically the most. The Traditionalists, for that matter, also wouldn't want to do this. At this stage their victory is all but certain; they don't need Germany to win. As such, why would they accept help from the Germans, who in their view are propping up secessionist governments occupying rightful Russian territory? This would totally alienate them from their base of support.
Better to earn the goodwill of the winning side, considering that when the reformers are defeated the Conservatives are coming after Poland and Finland next.
And they'll be doing that regardless of how much the Germans help them. Although, I think that Russia will go after the UDTR first.
And if they do that they are either facing a nuclear attack or a curbstomp battle at the hands of the German army. There is no way the Russian forces are in any state to take on another major power at the moment.
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Do you think that someone nationalist Putin-like guy just would be OK that Russia would lost Finland, Poland, Central Asia, Manchuria and probably Caucasu. And in worst scenario Baltia and Ukraine too? Best tactic of all neighbours is that they give enough support for reformist that they can resist long enough Conservatives but not too much that they can win, at least on soon. Best situation for separatist nations and their neighbour is that civil war last very long, so seceded nations can be strong against Russia. And reformists migth be more acceptable with losing of border regions.
And let's not discount how this Russia never went through the upheaval of OTL. No Communist takeover, no World Wars, no over the top spending to keep up in a global arms race. At its core, it still remains Imperial Russia, with a larger population growth rate due to continued religiosity and the absence of the loss of millions and millions of citizens.
Take the Russian diaspora in former Soviet countries and ramp it up to 11, combine with the winning side likely being unlikely to quietly go into that dark night, and consider the legitimacy (or not) of some of the events (particularly in the Technate of Manchuria).
Man, if the Chinese start purging the ethnic Russians, Ukrainians, and others in Manchuria in preparation for it being annexed to China...
I will cover this more later but the Baltics are as if October 2002 under the control of the Reformers. However, since the start of the war the Baltic has been moving further away from St. Petersburg and towards independence. Germany has been especially active, covertly supplying funds, weapons, and small numbers of advisors. The choice Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia must make soon is whether to stay in the Reformer camp or make for the exit.
There is going to be a reckoning between the IEF and the Chinese when the Reformers are defeated.
What is the United States reaction to the Civil War? I can see the Republicans lambasting Zaal for doing crap and the media constantly criticizing him for not protecting the ethnic minorities of Eurasia or doing anything to help the refugee crisis. I would imagine that once China intervenes and possibly invades Siberia or Manchuria, then the United States will have to take a stand with Japan and Korea in making sure that China will not dominate Asia.
Man I thought that the United States liberated them during the Pacific War. At least the Un Dynasty isn't in power. Pyongyang is definitely better off.
I gotta say, this is one of the best TLs I've read so far. Very interesting to see how this world has vastly differed from ours over the course of the late 19th and 20th centuries. Keep up the good work!
I'm also looking forward to seeing how the IEF Civil War ends, though it's sad to see the Conservatives on the cusp of victory. Was hoping the Reformers could pull it off but it looks very unlikely at this point.
I'm also looking forward to seeing how the IEF Civil War ends, though it's sad to see the Conservatives on the cusp of victory. Was hoping the Reformers could pull it off but it looks very unlikely at this point.