The Union Forever: A TL

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Mac Gregor

Hey everyone,

I have never really liked the internal divisions of Canada in this TL. I am thinking of changing them to be more unique. Does anybody have any ideas? My only rules are that they must be plausible and that there should be a province called "Vesperia" somewhere in the Canadian prairie near OTL's Alberta. See below for the starting map. Cheers!

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SuperFrog

The provinces look good, but the territories need to change. Ruperts land doesn't need to exist, just split it up. You should also Make northern Alberta a separate territory.
 

RyderWest

What about changing the names of the cities? We already know that TTL's Calgary is named Tobermory, should Toronto, Vancouver or Halifax have their names changed?
 

Lalli

RyderWest said:
What about changing the names of the cities? We already know that TTL's Calgary is named Tobermory, should Toronto, Vancouver or Halifax have their names changed?
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I think that Toronot and Halifax get their names before POD but Vancouver might has different name.
 
MERRICA

MERRICA

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What is the fate of Michigan

Hey Macgregor, I myself was personally wondering the fate of Michigan, my home state, here are several questions:

1: what is the fate of Detroit, does it fall into decay like it did in OTL or does it still flourish as the center of the Auto industry?

2: Are there any significant Arabic American communitys in Michigan as in OTL or are they butterflied away with something a bit similar.

3: Where are the Professional sports teams located in Michigan and what are their names. ( also, does Michigan and Michigan State exist in this TL?)
 
Utgard96

Utgard96

MERRICA said:
Hey Macgregor, I myself was personally wondering the fate of Michigan, my home state, here are several questions:

1: what is the fate of Detroit, does it fall into decay like it did in OTL or does it still flourish as the center of the Auto industry?

2: Are there any significant Arabic American communitys in Michigan as in OTL or are they butterflied away with something a bit similar.

3: Where are the Professional sports teams located in Michigan and what are their names. ( also, does Michigan and Michigan State exist in this TL?)
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Seems like Detroit is still fairly well off, since Michigan has more EVs than Illinois ITTL.
 

Mac Gregor

SuperFrog said:
The provinces look good, but the territories need to change. Ruperts land doesn't need to exist, just split it up. You should also Make northern Alberta a separate territory.
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Ares96 said:
I just realised this puts the Athabaskan oil sands mainly in the territories. That's going to have some repercussions.
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EnglishCanuck said:
To switch up the provinces you could shrink Ontario and expand Manitoba, split Saskatchewan and Alberta into three other provinces as well.
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Interesting ideas. The western part of Ruperts Land can be called Keewatin. What does the eastern part get called?

Should the area containing the Athabaskan oilfields become its own province/territory?

EnglishCanuck, I'm having a hard time picturing your proposal. Mind drawing it on the map?
 

Mac Gregor

RyderWest said:
What about changing the names of the cities? We already know that TTL's Calgary is named Tobermory, should Toronto, Vancouver or Halifax have their names changed?
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Lalli said:
I think that Toronot and Halifax get their names before POD but Vancouver might has different name.
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Good job remembering about Tobermory. However, Toronto and Halifax predate the POD. Vancouver, while named after the POD, has been established as the name of the TL's city. I am totally open to suggestions on other cities names.
 

Mac Gregor

MERRICA said:
Hey Macgregor, I myself was personally wondering the fate of Michigan, my home state, here are several questions:

1: what is the fate of Detroit, does it fall into decay like it did in OTL or does it still flourish as the center of the Auto industry?

2: Are there any significant Arabic American communitys in Michigan as in OTL or are they butterflied away with something a bit similar.

3: Where are the Professional sports teams located in Michigan and what are their names. ( also, does Michigan and Michigan State exist in this TL?)
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Ares96 said:
Seems like Detroit is still fairly well off, since Michigan has more EVs than Illinois ITTL.
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1. Detroit ITTL is doing much better than in OTL, however as with much of the industrial north it is slowly slipping. Still someone from the TL would be astonished to see OTL's Detroit. Detroit has a more diversified economy than OTL so it can handle economic change better.

2. No, Michigan does not have a sizable Arab American community. ITTL, Arab Americans are pretty well spread out with the greatest concentrations in New York City, San Francisco, and Halleckville, AZ.

3. The professional sport teams already mentioned for Michigan are...

Baseball: Detroit Lions
Rugby: Detroit Mohawks
Football: Detroit Turbos

I wouldn't be surprised though if Michigan has professional Handball and Lacross teams. Care to offer a name? I also need to decide what the status of hockey is in the timeline.

Michigan University exists ITTL. There is a Michigan State University ITTL but it is a different school located in Flint. The school we know as Michigan State, is much smaller and is known as Michigan Agricultural and Technical College.

Note: Michigan is only suppose to have 20 electoral votes not 28. My mistake.
 
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MERRICA

MERRICA

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On U of M's team names

I think they should stay with the OTL name of Wolverines or they should have a name alluding to something that Custer did
 
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