The Union Forever: A TL

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Mac Gregor

TUF Retcons

Hey everyone, wanted to give y'all a heads up that I have been updating this TL in the Finished TL Thread as can be found here. It has been slow going due to the poor quality of the early posts but I have just finished through 1862. Although the overarching story will stay the same I have made a few retcons.

1) Following the fall of Richmond in June 1862, The Confederate and Virginia State governments flee to Lynchburg not Danville. I made this change because Danville was tiny in 1862 with only a few hundred residents. ITTL as in ours, Lynchburg was the largest Virginian city not to fall into Union hands.

2) ITTL I have replaced Joseph E. Johnston with Edmund Kirby Smith as commander of the Army of Tennessee. I did this because I doubt that Jefferson Davis would give Johnston such an important command so soon after loosing the Confederate capital.

3) The Proclamation for Emancipation and Restoration of the Union (P.E.R.U.) now has a suspense date of January 1, 1863 not March 1, 1863. I thought it was more believable for Lincoln to give a four month period for Confederate states to rejoin the Union instead of the longer six.

4) There have also been some other small changes regarding dates, battles, and commanders which will hopefully make this TL more accurate.

Let me know what y'all think of these changes and if you have any other suggestions. Cheers!
 

Mac Gregor

Apologies for not having a proper update. Here is the TL's flag of Nevada to tide you over.

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Although Nevada joined the Union in 1868 it did not adopted a state flag until 1901. The gold and silver stripes represent the state's abundant mineral wealth. The two stars stand for the state's motto Freedom and Progress. The blue of the central stripe is the same as that on the American Flag.
 

Mac Gregor

1992

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Flag of the Republic of West Africa​

Having achieved full independence from the British Commonwealth the previous year, Isatou Camara and his Nationalists began remaking West Africa in their own image. A new constitution was adopted centralizing control under a powerful executive presidency, a position that Camara gladly filled. Promoting their Pan-African ideology, the flag was reworked switching the blue Commonwealth strip for Nationalist black. Even the country’s official name was changed from the Federated States of West Africa to the Republic of West Africa. Opposition to Camara remained fractured and despite some raucous protests surprisingly few powerbrokers challenged his transformation of the country from a parliamentary democracy to an authoritarian presidential republic. Many pointed out the disturbing similarities between Camara’s West Africa and the old corporatist governments of Harshad Nanda’s India and Kobushi Japan. Camara belittled these claims stating that his nation’s goals where simply for an Africa “unshackled by colonialism, bereft of hunger, and free to develop according to its own wishes.”

Poprad, Slovakia hosted the XIV Winter Olympics. Slovakian head of state Prince Albert of House Hohenzollern presided over the opening ceremonies.

After 22 years as president, Slamet Wahyu the founder of the Republic of Indonesia died at the age of 81. Wahyu left a mixed legacy on his nation. His leadership was pivotal to winning independence from the Dutch and he successfully kept his country out of the Asia-Pacific War. However, democracy in the country was weak at best with the Indonesian Congress Party (ICP) maintaining near complete control over politics. In the first truly competitive elections the nation had seen in decades, Saifullah Pranowo, Wahyu’s amiable deputy, became president. Despite the election of a moderate like Pranowo, the legislative results illustrated the deep fissures in Indonesian society. Inside the ICP, the more democratic elements referred to as the “Blues” clashed with the anti-western authoritarian “Reds.” Outside of the ICP, the increasingly militant Indonesian Technocrats known as the “Grays” won 18% of the vote despite often being seen as beholden to China. A plethora of separatist groups also flourished with well-organized secessionist movements in Aceh, Bali, Borneo, and Papua where resentment of the government’s perceived Javanese centric policies ran high. These developments lead several observers to fear that Indonesia was sliding towards civil war.

During the summer, Guatemala City hosted an international forum discussing the dangers of global warming. While Ecoist groups had already taken up the cause of combating climate change the Guatemala Conference did much to spread awareness of this growing threat to the general public.

On July 2, an anti-ship missile from the Royalist controlled island of Menorca sunk a Spanish Republican vessel after it allegedly crossed inside the 10 nautical miles territorial border. Called the Centinela Incident after the name of the sunken ship, a war scare swept Europe as Turin Pact and Association of European State forces partially mobilized. A hastily formed British-IEF commission eventually decided that the Centinela had indeed violated Royalist Spain’s territorial waters and failed to respond to hails. While the Spanish Republican government of President Vito Rolando Vazquez wished to ignore the commission’s findings and attack the Royalists, France and Italy had no desire to risk war with Germany. Although the situation largely defused by the end of August, the episode did little to ease tensions between Western and Central Europe. Some in Paris and Rome also thought the crisis demonstrated that Spain, very much the junior member of the alliance, was a liability.

In Warsaw, protests against the war in Manchuria shutdown the city’s public transportation system for three days in September before IEF authorities restored order. Similar antiwar demonstrations in the Baltic, Caucus, and Central Asian regions became increasingly common over the next few years.
 
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Lalli

You have small mistake there. Indonesia gained independence on 1969 so Wahyu was as president only 22 years, not 32 years.

Situation in West africa not looks very good.

Hopefully situation in Indonesia remain peaceful.

Development in Manchuria and IEF generally looks intresting.
 

Archangel

Indonesia needs a massive international investment programme to discredit extremists, along with a federal structure and secret services infiltration on the extremists to disrupt them.
 
metastasis_d

metastasis_d

HIM Dogson said:
It would appear that the Turin Pact and the AES are both sane enough to avoid war. Good.
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War on one's own turf is never very profitable.

Nice update, Mac. Here's hoping the Indonesians can keep it all together. All that effort to avoid destruction in the A-P war just to fall apart would be a shame. They need a central figure/ideology they can rally behind. Now that the Dutch are gone, it'll be harder to find one. Possibly fighting against Technocracy, but if almost 1/5 of the country voted for the Grays, that's a hard case to swing.
 

Mac Gregor

Lalli said:
You have small mistake there. Indonesia gained independence on 1969 so Wahyu was as president only 22 years, not 32 years.

Situation in West africa not looks very good.

Hopefully situation in Indonesia remain peaceful.

Development in Manchuria and IEF generally looks intresting.
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Right you are Lalli, 22 not 32. Thanks for paying attention.
 

Mac Gregor

Archangel said:
Indonesia needs a massive international investment programme to discredit extremists, along with a federal structure and secret services infiltration on the extremists to disrupt them.
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The Blues would agree about receiving international aid but the Reds don't really want help from foreigners. The Greys don't mind where the help is coming from, along as its from China.
 
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Mac Gregor

HIM Dogson said:
It would appear that the Turin Pact and the AES are both sane enough to avoid war. Good.
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metastasis_d said:
War on one's own turf is never very profitable.

Nice update, Mac. Here's hoping the Indonesians can keep it all together. All that effort to avoid destruction in the A-P war just to fall apart would be a shame. They need a central figure/ideology they can rally behind. Now that the Dutch are gone, it'll be harder to find one. Possibly fighting against Technocracy, but if almost 1/5 of the country voted for the Grays, that's a hard case to swing.
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Yeah, cooler heads prevail again in Europe.

metastasis_d, Good point regarding Indonesia
 

Mac Gregor

What do y'all think about this for the flag of Colorado? It is based off the territorial seal so it would exist ITTL.

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dakkafex

dakkafex

metastasis_d said:
Well. It's better than a plain seal on a blue background. Still kind of busy but not too much.
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Yeah, I definitely like the idea, but it might look better without the little clouds and with the mountains more symmetrical or stylized. As it stands it seems sort of busy. Still better than the standard seal-on-a-sheet state flag, though.
 

Mac Gregor

metastasis_d said:
Well. It's better than a plain seal on a blue background. Still kind of busy but not too much.
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dakkafex said:
Yeah, I definitely like the idea, but it might look better without the little clouds and with the mountains more symmetrical or stylized. As it stands it seems sort of busy. Still better than the standard seal-on-a-sheet state flag, though.
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CaliBoy1990 said:
Hey, Mac. I like OTL's flag better, TBH, but it's up to you, of course. :cool:
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Thanks for the feed back guys. I would be interested to see if anybody had another design to submit.

Also here is an slightly alternate version. better or worse?

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RyderWest

What do the battleships of the US Navy, the Royal Navy and the other major powers look like as of ATL 1992? The flaws of the battleship were only exposed with the Commonweath-Corporatist War in the late 70's, but it really doesn't mention what happened with naval doctrine after the war. Carriers I assume are at the late Midway class stage (angeled deck, jet fighter and bombers), with launching of Forrestal-class type aircraft carriers. The introduction of the aircraft carrier was only delayed by 40 years, if the CV was developed at the same time in ATL as OTL.

Also what do they call a dreadnought class battleship in this timeline anyway?
 

Mac Gregor

RyderWest said:
What do the battleships of the US Navy, the Royal Navy and the other major powers look like as of ATL 1992? The flaws of the battleship were only exposed with the Commonweath-Corporatist War in the late 70's, but it really doesn't mention what happened with naval doctrine after the war. Carriers I assume are at the late Midway class stage (angeled deck, jet fighter and bombers), with launching of Forrestal-class type aircraft carriers. The introduction of the aircraft carrier was only delayed by 40 years, if the CV was developed at the same time in ATL as OTL.

Also what do they call a dreadnought class battleship in this timeline anyway?
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RyderWest,

Excellent questions. Most blue water navies still field battleships, the largest being Germany's SMS Kronprinz weighing in at 76,000 tons with 20 inch guns, but are universally considered inferior to aircraft carriers. Practically all navies plan to phase out battleships over the next decade or two. Missile cruisers have largely replaced the battleships former role. Concerning aircraft carriers, while they got a later start than OTL, they are on par now since advances made during the Asia-Pacific War.

The TL's equivalent to the dreadnought class is the leviathan class.
 
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