The Union Forever: A TL
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Very interesting. Zaqwer, I honestly hadn't thought of those similarites before. Well, I guess it goes to show that the mind likes to draw connections. I was going for more than what metastasis_d was pointing out.
I...wow. I actually am speechless over this last update, there's so much awesome detail that I really have not much to add. Here's my take on the update;
-Interesting how South Africa continues to expand their territory; I'm betting that OTL's Rhodesia (Zambezia and Brit. Congo here) will join at some point, which would be pretty cool and not normally seen in TLs (at least, outside of the Drakaverse and such). Would Madagascar be a possible addition as well down the road?
-Considering the lack of MAD/"Strategic Deterrence" as we know it, I wouldn't be surprised that America and Russia didn't focus on Boomer development at all. Frankly, I can see the former trying to get the most out of airborne assets (despite the lack of strategic bombing experience ITTL, it doesn't take a genius to see the advantages of air-deployed nukes in certain ways), while they and the latter could both look into ICBM development. I won't go too far into it, but ICBMs have their own advantages AND disadvantages that may or may not be researched in the TUF-verse by both parties. Your call, of course.
-The World's Fair and Chinese Succession issue both look good to me. I did notice how there's a Technocrat faction in China...are they anything like the Krulikists?
-C'mon, Western world, help Siam out already! They need it, and unlike them Japanese no-goodniks, they actually would be a good country to back in the region. America, Britain, Germany--SOMEBODY!
-The remainder of updates all look good to me. Of course, we just had to get another member of the Nuke Club in Russia.
-Interesting how South Africa continues to expand their territory; I'm betting that OTL's Rhodesia (Zambezia and Brit. Congo here) will join at some point, which would be pretty cool and not normally seen in TLs (at least, outside of the Drakaverse and such). Would Madagascar be a possible addition as well down the road?
-Considering the lack of MAD/"Strategic Deterrence" as we know it, I wouldn't be surprised that America and Russia didn't focus on Boomer development at all. Frankly, I can see the former trying to get the most out of airborne assets (despite the lack of strategic bombing experience ITTL, it doesn't take a genius to see the advantages of air-deployed nukes in certain ways), while they and the latter could both look into ICBM development. I won't go too far into it, but ICBMs have their own advantages AND disadvantages that may or may not be researched in the TUF-verse by both parties. Your call, of course.
-The World's Fair and Chinese Succession issue both look good to me. I did notice how there's a Technocrat faction in China...are they anything like the Krulikists?
-C'mon, Western world, help Siam out already! They need it, and unlike them Japanese no-goodniks, they actually would be a good country to back in the region. America, Britain, Germany--SOMEBODY!
-The remainder of updates all look good to me. Of course, we just had to get another member of the Nuke Club in Russia.
I've really been enjoying the last few updates. For 1969, I didn't see Missipi going dry at all, and it was good to see Eugenics end in the US.
Now for the 1970 updates. Very interesting developments. The restructuring of the Indian territories was interesting, and seems like something a pseudo fascist country would do.
I hope the Congo becomes independent soon. With this new war in the region, the writing should be on the wall for Belgium by this point, and other countries for that matter.
Nice to see Brazil's new constitution, but the lack of military could cause further problems in the future.
In terms of the US, Frank MacArthur's assassination was a shock, but at least his legacy will continue with President Gavin. I wonder what conspiracy theory 's will arise? Plus, I wonder what other powers will get atom bombs.
I'll comment on the 1971 update next.
For 1969, I didn't see Missipi going dry at all, and it was good to see Eugenics end in the US. Now for the 1970 updates. Very interesting developments. The restructuring of the Indian territories was interesting, and seems like something a pseudo fascist country would do.
I hope the Congo becomes independent soon. With this new war in the region, the writing should be on the wall for Belgium by this point, and other countries for that matter.
Nice to see Brazil's new constitution, but the lack of military could cause further problems in the future.
In terms of the US, Frank MacArthur's assassination was a shock, but at least his legacy will continue with President Gavin. I wonder what conspiracy theory 's will arise? Plus, I wonder what other powers will get atom bombs.
I'll comment on the 1971 update next.
OTL Rhodesia is already part of South Africa as Matabeleland. Zambezia and British Congo are OTL Zambia and Katanga, with some overlap and some gaps.
Ouch, geography fail on my part
. Thanks for the correction, although my point about Zambezia and British Congo still stands.I think the transfer of Damaraland to South Africa was a good call. That will improve Britain's relationship with other Commonwealth countries while making sure the territory remains under the British sovereign.
I'm tellin' you, Germany's looking like the true innovator ITTL. Ballistic missile submarines would not be of great concern to the United States, of course. It would make more sense for European powers to have such vessels in order to launch a couple of missiles...say off the France's southern coast.
Not looking good for China. I was convinced that Zhang would have started a world war in Asia. This presents a unique problem. The United States has supported the Zhang regime, probably risking considerable international prestige in doing so. Now, China looks like it will descend into civil war. The militarists are not a savory option, since America's alliance with them was out of practical concerns. The liberals are likely to be naturally distrustful of the Americans, for obvious reasons. The Technocrats are an unknown quantity at this point, since we haven't seen any technocratic regimes.
Again, the ultimate winner is Japan. This chaos has lead to the likely result of Japanese intervention in the Laotian war. I think we have come to the moment of truth. The United States needs to do something, and something quick. They can't rely on China anymore to check Japanese imperialist aims. Nor can they simply ignore the ramifications of a Japanese hegemony of Asia. We'll now see how Gavin will deal with this gathering storm.
Wow, that was a real surprise concerning Atkinson. I thought making Sudan a republic was a bizarre move, but I didn't know it would come back to bite him. Imperial Progressives? Reminds me of the imperialistic Radicals of Victorian Britain. This alliance should be interesting.
Thanks for the comments. My thoughts on Damaraland exactly. Yeah, the Imperial Progressives and Coservatives should make for an interesting coaltion. Both favor keeping the Empire together but by different means, with the IP favoring more dominions.
Nice update. Interesting that the US and Russia aren't investing in nuclear subs yet.
Did South Africa only now move up to 7th largest with the addition of the new territory?
China just can't get a break ITTL.
Can't wait for TTL's Nox to be demoted.
No, South Africa was already 7th even before Damaraland got added.
I...wow. I actually am speechless over this last update, there's so much awesome detail that I really have not much to add. Here's my take on the update;
-Interesting how South Africa continues to expand their territory; I'm betting that OTL's Rhodesia (Zambezia and Brit. Congo here) will join at some point, which would be pretty cool and not normally seen in TLs (at least, outside of the Drakaverse and such). Would Madagascar be a possible addition as well down the road?
-Considering the lack of MAD/"Strategic Deterrence" as we know it, I wouldn't be surprised that America and Russia didn't focus on Boomer development at all. Frankly, I can see the former trying to get the most out of airborne assets (despite the lack of strategic bombing experience ITTL, it doesn't take a genius to see the advantages of air-deployed nukes in certain ways), while they and the latter could both look into ICBM development. I won't go too far into it, but ICBMs have their own advantages AND disadvantages that may or may not be researched in the TUF-verse by both parties. Your call, of course.
-The World's Fair and Chinese Succession issue both look good to me. I did notice how there's a Technocrat faction in China...are they anything like the Krulikists?
-C'mon, Western world, help Siam out already! They need it, and unlike them Japanese no-goodniks, they actually would be a good country to back in the region. America, Britain, Germany--SOMEBODY!
-The remainder of updates all look good to me. Of course, we just had to get another member of the Nuke Club in Russia.
Yes, the Technocratic faction in China are Krulikist. It is a bit confusing but Krulikism is to Technocracy what IOTL Marxism is to Communism.
I've really been enjoying the last few updates.
Now for the 1970 updates. Very interesting developments. The restructuring of the Indian territories was interesting, and seems like something a pseudo fascist country would do.
I hope the Congo becomes independent soon. With this new war in the region, the writing should be on the wall for Belgium by this point, and other countries for that matter.
Nice to see Brazil's new constitution, but the lack of military could cause further problems in the future.
In terms of the US, Frank MacArthur's assassination was a shock, but at least his legacy will continue with President Gavin. I wonder what conspiracy theory 's will arise? Plus, I wonder what other powers will get atom bombs.
I'll comment on the 1971 update next.
As for conspiracy theories regarding Clyde Irvine Bardsley the three major ones are...
1) Organized Crime: Bardsley was heavily indebted to certain organized crime elements in New Orleans. Some believe that he was told to kill MacArthur in order to erase his debts. Organized crime apparently wanted MacArthur dead due to his resent steps in hampering the country’s nascent drug trade.
2) Foreign Power: There are a few theories that a foreign power( usually either Japan, Germany, or conservative remnants in Brazil) hired/coerced Bardsley to do it. l. Bardsley had served as a merchant seaman for several years and his travels was supposedly cover for being a foreign agent.
3) Technocrats: Bardsley had attended several Krulikist organization meetings. Some thought that Bardsley intended MacArthur's assassination to spark chaos leading to the rise of a Technocratic state.
First of all, great update! Tons of new info to digest.
So Damaraland is now part of SA. Can't say I'm surprised it was probably going to happen sooner or later. Interesting idea about Zambezia and British Congo, Fleet Mac.
Wow, Germany's just beating the US at all these inventions. America just seems to be playing catch-up.
So I'm guessing Albury was chosen as the capital because it was on the border between New South Wales and Victoria and to compromise between Melbourne and Sydney? Also does it have its own territory like Canberra does OTL?
China is a mess. 2nd Chinese Civil War, anyone?
Of course Japan is going to take advantage of Chinese weakness and invade SE Asia. I assume Laos is now under the Vietnam-backed candidate to the throne. Siam is not in a good position, they need western support if they have a hope of winning.
Britain might support Siam if the IPs have anything to say. They'll want to show the world the British Empire can still defend her allies. Of course that would put them at war with Japan...
Now Russia's joined the nuclear club. It's only a matter of time before Japan gets in on the fun.
So Damaraland is now part of SA. Can't say I'm surprised it was probably going to happen sooner or later. Interesting idea about Zambezia and British Congo, Fleet Mac.
Wow, Germany's just beating the US at all these inventions. America just seems to be playing catch-up.
So I'm guessing Albury was chosen as the capital because it was on the border between New South Wales and Victoria and to compromise between Melbourne and Sydney? Also does it have its own territory like Canberra does OTL?
China is a mess. 2nd Chinese Civil War, anyone?
Of course Japan is going to take advantage of Chinese weakness and invade SE Asia. I assume Laos is now under the Vietnam-backed candidate to the throne. Siam is not in a good position, they need western support if they have a hope of winning.
Britain might support Siam if the IPs have anything to say. They'll want to show the world the British Empire can still defend her allies. Of course that would put them at war with Japan...
Now Russia's joined the nuclear club. It's only a matter of time before Japan gets in on the fun.
Hey everyone,
I think its time we create a symbol to represent the TL"s Krulikist/Technocratic movement. Anyone have any ideas?
I think its time we create a symbol to represent the TL"s Krulikist/Technocratic movement. Anyone have any ideas?
One of the symbols should definitely be a book to symbolize learning.
I like the Technocratic flag, but I guess it could use some color. What would the color of technocracy ITTL besides just black?