The Union Forever: A TL

[MasterSanders]

Better race relations in SA. Good. Without the apartheid, SA will likely remain within the Commonwealth as a British dominion...at least for the short term.

Things aren't looking good for the United States in South America. With Brazil on the verge of civil war, the US might have to intervene in order to prevent the entire continent from exploding. In the end, this ultimately benefits Japan, who can now begin to exert her influence in Asia.

The Turin Pact seems to have been a boon to France. Now an equal and ally with a former foe, France can begin to grow her influence again. How close the Turin Pact in terms of further military cooperation remains to be seen. The detonation of an atomic weapon by Germany will no doubt increase military ties between the two countries.

Nice to see a James Bond analogue. The tensions currently being felt throughout various blocs seem to encourage such a genre like the Cold War did IOTL.

And now we have the bomb. Germany, once again, gets there first. I could actually see the problem of nuclear proliferation being worse ITTL. Instead of two major blocs dominated by two superpower nations, you'll likely see several nations in different blocs scramble to construct their own nuclear devices. You'll have several blocs, not necessarily friendly toward each other, with a-bombs (and likely ICBMS before its all said and done).

 

[FleetMac]

And now we have the bomb. Germany, once again, gets there first. I could actually see the problem of nuclear proliferation being worse ITTL. Instead of two major blocs dominated by two superpower nations, you'll likely see several nations in different blocs scramble to construct their own nuclear devices. You'll have several blocs, not necessarily friendly toward each other, with a-bombs (and likely ICBMS before its all said and done).

True, but then again it's doubtful we'll see anywhere near the total number of devices constructed as OTL, since there's really no perceived need to rain catastrophic destruction on the other side as was the case in the Cold War. And with multiple stable powers (not all, as you say, on the same side), I have a feeling that there'd be a greater sense of restraint regarding nuke-slinging as a viable option, considering that a nuke's best use is to just sit there as a deterrent.

At any rate, it's been established that a nuclear weapons limit treaty is signed sometime in the '70s, so I doubt the proliferation issue would escape folks ITTL.

 

[MasterSanders]

True, but then again it's doubtful we'll see anywhere near the total number of devices constructed as OTL, since there's really no perceived need to rain catastrophic destruction on the other side as was the case in the Cold War. And with multiple stable powers (not all, as you say, on the same side), I have a feeling that there'd be a greater sense of restraint regarding nuke-slinging as a viable option, considering that a nuke's best use is to just sit there as a deterrent.

Good point. I was concerned over the number of blocs, which I wasn't clear on.

 

[FleetMac]

I find American Coke has an unpleasant syrupy aftertaste.

Sorry I took so long to respond to this, but I agree whole-heartedly how nasty ours tastes (again, high-fructose corn syrup's to blame). In many parts of the country though it's possible to get Mexican Cokes, which come in old-fashioned glass bottles and are made with actual sugar (cane or beet, I can't remember, not that it makes a difference). And yes, the taste is considerably better

 

[Zoidberg12]

The mistakes have been fixed on the 1950 map. 1960 is next, then 1970.

 

[Mac Gregor]

The mistakes have been fixed on the 1950 map. 1960 is next, then 1970.

Thanks Zoidberg12, these maps are starting to look really good. I am still wanting a simplified version to show alliances etc. Something like the one from TL-191: After the End posted below. Would any body be willing to make one like that?

 

[Zoidberg12]

^ Dont worry as soon as I get to 1970, I'll make one just like that.

Heres 1960. 1970 should be ready in a few minutes.

Edit: Fixed changes.

Edit: Fixed some borders as mentioned above.

Edit: Fixed German Cameroon and Oman.

 

[Zoidberg12]

Heres 1970. An alliance map is coming up soon.

Edit: Fixed changes

Edit: Fixed some borders as mentioned above.

Edit: Fixed German Cameroon.

 

[Lalli]

On map is still small mistakes. Alaska is state on this point and American Guyana is still territory.

 

[metastasis_d]

Also Idaho's border is pretty far from the continental divide. The northernmost part should be aligned with British Columbia's border.

Nice update; great news in South Africa! I can see them being a very rich country in the near future (tons of resources.) Hopefully large scale violence can be avoided.

Likewise in Brazil; it's too bad peace in the Americas can't be maintained, but maybe this'll lead to the technocracy...

Where exactly did Germany detonate their nuke?! I know it's a picture from Nagasaki, but the water (at least it looks like water) betrays the idea that it was detonated away from the coast, which is probably the worst place to do it. Or maybe they underestimated the effects of fallout and this will end up being an ecological disaster.

 

[ZincOxide]

Also Idaho's border is pretty far from the continental divide. The northernmost part should be aligned with British Columbia's border.

It looks fine to me.

The ITTL Border is because it was defined differently. Butterflies, you know.

 

[metastasis_d]

It looks fine to me.

The ITTL Border is because it was defined differently. Butterflies, you know.

My bad; I thought I remembered it being along the continental divide, like so:

 

[Mac Gregor]

I think this should about do it for a 1967 map. Let me know if y'all see anything. Once again thanks to Zoidberg12 for all his help.

 

[Zoidberg12]

^ That could do it. However I have edited my more detailed 1950, 60 and 70 maps on the previous page, and everything mentioned has been fixed. Do you approve of the maps?

 

[Zaqwer]

Hello!
Just joined the forum, been lurking for a while. I like how much you've changed the world from just one small POD. This is one of my favorite timelines. Keep up the good work!

 

[Zoidberg12]

Mac, I'm curious which nations in this world have universal suffrage as of 1967?

 

[FleetMac]

Indeed, I'd be very surprised if less than half of the Great Powers didn't have female universal suffrage by this point in history (I can maaaaybe see Russia lagging behind a bit, but even that's a stretch). I'd also wager that France and say Mexico would have enacted such laws.

 

[Zoidberg12]

France might have. Then again IOTL they didnt do until after WWII, but they still could have done it under different circumstances after the Second Empire fell.

 

[Mac Gregor]

^ That could do it. However I have edited my more detailed 1950, 60 and 70 maps on the previous page, and everything mentioned has been fixed. Do you approve of the maps?

Zoidberg12, your maps look great, thanks so much. I approve of them very much. I can't speak to the internal boundaries of Mexico, Argentina, Russia, etc. because I haven't really covered that ITTL. I made a few small changes to Ecuador and Mesopotamia's borders. I also simplified the pacific islands groupings because I'm not really sure about the exact break down. Thanks again for all the help, keep it coming. Cheers!

 

[Mac Gregor]

Hello!
Just joined the forum, been lurking for a while. I like how much you've changed the world from just one small POD. This is one of my favorite timelines. Keep up the good work!

Thanks a lot Zaqwer and welcome! Let me know if you have any questions.