The Union Forever: A TL

[Mac Gregor]

View attachment 203951Alright guys this is the updated map for 1960. Please note the following.

1) Canada, NZ, Australia, and Ireland are still British Dominions but have effective control over their foreign affairs so they get their own color. South Africa, Ceylon, Madras, and Burma have domestic autonomy but still rely on the UK for most of their foreign policy.

2) I have made some changes to African borders. Sudan and the Upper Nile region are split along the 13th Parallel. French Algeria has had its internal borders adjusted to reflect butterflies along with British Congo.

3) Provincial/State borders have been removed except for federations or personal unions.

Let me know if any other borders are to much like OTL and need to be changed. Cheers!

 

[Beedok]

Russia is massive.

 

[metastasis_d]

Russia is massive.

Indeed; without the destruction of OTL's 20s-40s, it's going to be an economic juggernaut. Even moreso if they remain intact into the 21st century.

 

[Utgard96]

Indeed; without the destruction of OTL's 20s-40s, it's going to be an economic juggernaut. Even moreso if they remain intact into the 21st century.

Without the destruction, probably. Without the rapid industrialisation, not quite as probably.

 

[Zoidberg12]

Cool map. I can't wait for the 1960 updates.

Some questions on the map.

Are the House of Saudi in control of Arabia like IOTL?

Why are Alberta and Saskatchewan one province? What is this province called? Athabasca could be a good name. I assume the territory above Quebec is the Ungava territory, which existed OTL until 1912.

Why is there no Northern Territory in Australia?

That's about it. One more question. Can I make a list of leaders for the different countries ITTL? You now, US presidents, UK Prime Ministers, Canadian Prime Ministers, different monarchs etc.

 

[Lalli]

What kind of is Republic of Turkey? It is democracy or dictatorship and made government of Turkey so radical reforms as OTL Atatürk?

 

[Zoidberg12]

Mac, If you don't mind, I'll post the list of US Presidents for the Union Forever. If you want me to do more of these lists, its up to you.

1. George Washington (Independent) (1789-1797)
2. John Adams (Federalist) (1797-1801)
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) (1801-1809)
4. James Madison (Democratic-Republican) (1809-1817)
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) (1817-1825)
6. John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican) (1825-1829)
7. Andrew Jackson (Democratic) (1829-1837)
8. Martin Van Buren (Democratic) (1837-1841)
9. William Henry Harrison (Whig) (1841) †
10. John Tyler (Whig) (1841-1845)
11. James K. Polk (Democratic) (1845-1849)
12. Zachary Taylor (Whig) (1849-1850) †
13. Millard Fillmore (Whig) (1850-1853)
14. Franklin Peirce (Democratic) (1853-1853)
15. James Buchanan (Democratic) (1853-1857)
16. Abraham Lincoln (Republican) (1861-1869)
17. John Sedgwick (Republican) (1869-1877)
18. Arthur I. Boreman (Republican) (1877-1885)
19. Samuel J. Randal (Democratic) (1885-1891) †
20. David B. Hill (Democratic) (1891-1897)
21. George Armstrong Custer (Democratic) (1897-1901)
22. Robert Todd Lincoln (Republican) (1901-1913)
23. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) (1913-1921)
24. Leonard Wood (Republican) (1921)††
25. Nelson R. Doner (Republican) (1921-1925)
26. Harold K. Abercrombie (Democratic) (1925-1933)
27. Zachary T. McKinnis (Democratic) (1933-1937)
28. Daniel E. Warburton (Republican) (1937-1941)
29. Vernon M. Kirkman (Democratic) (1941-1949)
30. Leroy R. Connor (Republican) (1949-1957)
31. Richard C. Anderson (Democratic) (1957- )

† = Died in Office
†† = Assassinated

 

[metastasis_d]

Without the destruction, probably. Without the rapid industrialisation, not quite as probably.

I figured a lot of the smaller parts, especially Poland and Finland, will contribute a lot of industrialization as well.

 

[Badshah]

Over time, you'll see the Princely States pushing for acquisition of parts of Madras. Mangalore would likely be divided between Mysore and Travancore, and Andhra to Hyderabad.

 

[Lalli]

Over time, you'll see the Princely States pushing for acquisition of parts of Madras. Mangalore would likely be divided between Mysore and Travancore, and Andhra to Hyderabad.

Perhaps. And surely in India is on future much problems between Muslims and Hindus. And probably much ethnic tensions too. Anyway, what situation in Indian states is with caste system?

 

[MasterSanders]

Beautiful as always. Keep it up!

Edit: BTW, who is the British monarch?

 

[IchBinDieKaiser]

Beautiful as always. Keep it up!

Edit: BTW, who is the British monarch?

Actually, could we get a list of European Monarchs since the PoD?

 

[Mac Gregor]

Mac, If you don't mind, I'll post the list of US Presidents for the Union Forever. If you want me to do more of these lists, its up to you.

1. George Washington (Independent) (1789-1797)
2. John Adams (Federalist) (1797-1801)
3. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican) (1801-1809)
4. James Madison (Democratic-Republican) (1809-1817)
5. James Monroe (Democratic-Republican) (1817-1825)
6. John Quincy Adams (Democratic-Republican) (1825-1829)
7. Andrew Jackson (Democratic) (1829-1837)
8. Martin Van Buren (Democratic) (1837-1841)
9. William Henry Harrison (Whig) (1841) †
10. John Tyler (Whig) (1841-1845)
11. James K. Polk (Democratic) (1845-1849)
12. Zachary Taylor (Whig) (1849-1850) †
13. Millard Fillmore (Whig) (1850-1853)
14. Franklin Peirce (Democratic) (1853-1853)
15. James Buchanan (Democratic) (1853-1857)
16. Abraham Lincoln (Republican) (1861-1869)
17. John Sedgwick (Republican) (1869-1877)
18. Arthur I. Boreman (Republican) (1877-1885)
19. Samuel J. Randal (Democratic) (1885-1891) †
20. David B. Hill (Democratic) (1891-1897)
21. George Armstrong Custer (Democratic) (1897-1901)
22. Robert Todd Lincoln (Republican) (1901-1913)
23. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican) (1913-1921)
24. Leonard Wood (Republican) (1921)††
25. Nelson R. Doner (Republican) (1921-1925)
26. Harold K. Abercrombie (Democratic) (1925-1933)
27. Zachary T. McKinnis (Democratic) (1933-1937)
28. Daniel E. Warburton (Republican) (1937-1941)
29. Vernon M. Kirkman (Democratic) (1941-1949)
30. Leroy R. Connor (Republican) (1949-1957)
31. Richard C. Anderson (Democratic) (1957- )

† = Died in Office
†† = Assassinated

Zoidberg12 the list looks great. Please go ahead for other countries. I will answer your other questions soon. Cheers!

 

[Lalli]

Some monarchs:

Emperors of Austro-Hungary:

Franz Joseph I (1848 - 1866)
Maximilian I (1866 - 1910)

Emperors of Germany:

Fredrik III (1910 - 1914)
Wilhelm II (1914 - 1941)
Fredrik IV (1941 - )

Monarchs of United Kingdom:

Victoria (1837 - 1902)
Edward VII (1902 - 1913)
Victor (1913 - 1950's)
George V (1950's - )

Kings and queen of Italy:

Victor Emmanuel II (1860 - ????)
Umberto I (???? - 1908)
Lucia I (1908)

 

[Mac Gregor]

Russia is massive.

Indeed; without the destruction of OTL's 20s-40s, it's going to be an economic juggernaut. Even moreso if they remain intact into the 21st century.

Without the destruction, probably. Without the rapid industrialisation, not quite as probably.

I figured a lot of the smaller parts, especially Poland and Finland, will contribute a lot of industrialization as well.

On Russia,

Territorial it is OTL Russian Empire plus Galicia, a strip of north eastern Anatolia, and most importantly Manchuria. Politically it is a De jure Parliamentary Monarchy but the Czar, currently Peter IV, retains substantial authority and the Russian Duma often finds itself paralyzed by factional divides. The Russian military also retains considerable influence over government affairs. Many non-Russian ethnicities complain of being mistreated by St. Petersburg. In short, while not as repressive as some other states such as Japan we would not label TTL's Russia as a free country. Economically, Russia began to industrialize following the Great War but lags behind in many places. Russia as of 1960 currently places 4th in GDP behind the USA, Germany, and the UK (Russia is expected to overtake the UK by the end of the decade).

 

[Lalli]

Use Russia still Julian Calendar and what kind of party system in Russia is?

 

[Mac Gregor]

Some monarchs:

Emperors of Austro-Hungary:

Franz Joseph I (1848 - 1866)
Maximilian I (1866 - 1910)

Emperors of Germany:

Fredrik III (1910 - 1914)
Wilhelm II (1914 - 1941)
Fredrik IV (1941 - )

Monarchs of United Kingdom:

Victoria (1837 - 1902)
Edward VII (1902 - 1913)
Victor (1913 - 1950's)
George V (1950's - )

Kings and queen of Italy:

Victor Emmanuel II (1860 - ????)
Umberto I (???? - 1908)
Lucia I (1908)

Good job Lalli. Here is an updated list.

Emperors of Austro-Hungary:
Franz Joseph I (1848 - 1866)
Maximilian I (1866 - 1910)

Emperors of Germany:
Frederick III (1910 - 1914)
Wilhelm II (1914 - 1941)
Frederick IV (1941 - )

Monarchs of the United Kingdom:
Victoria (1837 - 1902)
Edward VII (1902 - 1913)
Victor (1913 - 1953)
George V (1953 - )

Monarchs of Italy:
Victor Emmanuel II (1861 - 1878)
Umberto I (1878 - 1908)
Lucia I (1908-1908)

Emperors of Russia:
Alexander II (1855-1895)
Nicholas II (1895-1919)
Alexander III (1919-1947)
Peter IV (1947- )

Emperors of Japan:
Osahito (1846-1867)
Mutsuhito (1867-1912)
Kazuo (1912-1929)
Nobuhito (1929-

 

[Mac Gregor]

Cool map. I can't wait for the 1960 updates.

Some questions on the map.

Are the House of Saudi in control of Arabia like IOTL?

Why are Alberta and Saskatchewan one province? What is this province called? Athabasca could be a good name. I assume the territory above Quebec is the Ungava territory, which existed OTL until 1912.

Why is there no Northern Territory in Australia?

That's about it. One more question. Can I make a list of leaders for the different countries ITTL? You now, US presidents, UK Prime Ministers, Canadian Prime Ministers, different monarchs etc.

The Sultanate of Arabia is ruled by a Hashemite Dynasty.

I don't really know about Canada but I think it needs some work. I would love to see some alternate proposals.

For Australia there is a single State of Central Australia. It even has its own time zone. The capital is Adelaide.

 

[Mac Gregor]

What kind of is Republic of Turkey? It is democracy or dictatorship and made government of Turkey so radical reforms as OTL Atatürk?

The Turkish Republic is not a democracy and waverers between a dictatorship and oligarchy depending on who is in charge. The reforms that took place after the fall of the Ottoman Empire were not as radical as those conducted by Ataturk. Turkey is very wary of the Russian Empire and has drifted closer to Germany in recent years.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Over time, you'll see the Princely States pushing for acquisition of parts of Madras. Mangalore would likely be divided between Mysore and Travancore, and Andhra to Hyderabad.

Perhaps, but for the time being they are all more worried about the Republic of India.