The Union Forever: A TL
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Read the latest updates, save for the 1956 one.
This timeline continues to be excellent!
Interesting developments in Asia once again. Lets hope the new state of China doesn't get too out of control. Meanwhile, the conflict in India continues to get more bloody and more complicated. Not only is it a Vietnam analouge, but with all the Kingdom's declaring Independence and with the British loyal dominions, you've all but turned India into the Balkans. Simply, brilliant!
Interesting how you're handling the alternate Olympics as well. Very good ideas.
Conner's impeachment has another surprise. I'm glad to see he survived it, he's too good a POTUS to be removed this late in the game. Plus, am I the only one who was reminded of Iran-Contra while reading that?
This timeline continues to be excellent!
Interesting developments in Asia once again. Lets hope the new state of China doesn't get too out of control. Meanwhile, the conflict in India continues to get more bloody and more complicated. Not only is it a Vietnam analouge, but with all the Kingdom's declaring Independence and with the British loyal dominions, you've all but turned India into the Balkans. Simply, brilliant! Interesting how you're handling the alternate Olympics as well. Very good ideas.
Conner's impeachment has another surprise. I'm glad to see he survived it, he's too good a POTUS to be removed this late in the game. Plus, am I the only one who was reminded of Iran-Contra while reading that?
Hell, he never should have even considered running for a 3rd term if he had a problem with Kirkman doing it. Damn politicians.
Anyway, awesome update. Very realistic.
I'd take that up with the journalist who said it.
Good questions about Keynes and the Welfare state. I will have to get back to you on that, but would be interested to hear y'all's ideas.
Indeed, the "New Tammany" label was not meant to be flattering. While it is a bit of hyperbole there were some who accused Anderson of running New York like a party boss.
As of January 1, 1956 the cease fire is holding between China and Japan but no peace treaty has been signed. Japan continues to occupy Hainan with no intention of giving it up. I will cover more details about the war's aftermath in the next update. Cheers!
Well, assuming the American trusts grow in the same way as OTL (and there's no real reason for them not to) we'd probably see the government cracking down on them in the same manner as they did IOTL, seeing them as a threat to free enterprise. These events, as well as others taking place during the "Progressive Era", led to support for the interventionist state, from which a doctrine similar to Keynesianism (for those unfamiliar with economics, it basically says that the state should spend money and go into debt in order to stimulate the economy during depressions, and that this will pay off once the economy gets back on track) might grow. The Republican Party, which has generally been the more left-wing party in TTL's politics, might adopt such an economic doctrine as part of their platform (as the Dems did in '32 IOTL) at some point.
As for the welfare state, I'd think the idea would still be present in TTL, since it was a major part of democratic socialism from the start. This reminds me of another question: is socialism as ostracised by American society as IOTL? There's no big Communist threat ITTL, and the earlier involvement in TTL's WWI might mean that the Socialist Party grows after the war (IOTL it got 6% of the vote in 1912), and though it's likely not going to be as big a movement in the US as in Europe, it seems likely to me that the socialists might become an important third party in US politics, pushing for isolationism, welfare extension and voting reform (IOTL they wanted to abolish the Senate and have the President elected directly; we might see these demands moderated to directly-elected Senators and a House elected at-large from party lists in each state).
Read the latest updates, save for the 1956 one.
This timeline continues to be excellent!
Interesting how you're handling the alternate Olympics as well. Very good ideas.
Conner's impeachment has another surprise. I'm glad to see he survived it, he's too good a POTUS to be removed this late in the game. Plus, am I the only one who was reminded of Iran-Contra while reading that?
Glad you liked it
Not as much as you would think. The election being very close was largely due to the fact that the parties for the 1956 elections have come together somewhat on the political spectrum. And still, Anderson's winning formula were the southern states plus states with large Catholic populations and his home state of New York which being the largest state in the Union at the time acts as a bit of a kingmaker.
Good points. I would agree with most of them. There is a degree of social safety net in the USA, but I'm not sure to what extent. I will try and clarify that later. Socialism/Communism while not as demonized as OTL, are still quite unpopular, remember the Hungarian Red Revolt in the 20s.
Happy Washington's Birthday! (A prominent holiday ITTL)
I hope to have an update done in the not to distant future.
I hope to have an update done in the not to distant future.
So TTL's America still celebrates the third Monday in February as Washington's birthday?
Who wants a Wednesday off work? 3 day weekend, chief!
So TTL's America still celebrates the third Monday in February as Washington's birthday?
Family Day is superior!
As of 1956 Washington's Birthday is still celebrated on February 22 ITTL. We will have to wait and see if the equivalent of the Uniform Monday Holiday Act ever gets past.