The Union Forever: A TL

Hey everyone,

Just wanted to say that despite not having the time to make any new posts here in Afghanistan this TL is still very much alive and I think about it often. I would be interested in y'all's opinons on what form you think 1950's American pop culture should take?

Cheers!

Lots of examples from OTL wouldn't hurt, I don't think. But then again, we could try to make things interesting: why not try a mixture of *jazz & *rock, for example? I'd also like to see how OTL's car culture might turn out. Hot rods and customs, anybody? :D
 
American movie is surely very different as in OTL. When there is not be prohibition then crime movies hardly are very common. Another big changing genre is war movie. United States has been only on two war shortly after Civil War so there hardly is much war movies between 1900 - 1950.

More difficult question is would there be anything equivalent for Hays Code and Academy Awards. Equivalent of Hays Code might butterfly away if on movie industry not be so much scandals. Or if there would be something like Hays Codes it maybe not be so strict as OTL. Academy Awards thing is too difficult thing for me.
 
American movie is surely very different as in OTL. When there is not be prohibition then crime movies hardly are very common. Another big changing genre is war movie. United States has been only on two war shortly after Civil War so there hardly is much war movies between 1900 - 1950.

More difficult question is would there be anything equivalent for Hays Code and Academy Awards. Equivalent of Hays Code might butterfly away if on movie industry not be so much scandals. Or if there would be something like Hays Codes it maybe not be so strict as OTL. Academy Awards thing is too difficult thing for me.

It'd be nice to see the Hays Codes butterflied: they never really did much good anyhow.

As for Prohibition? Well, one plausible scenario I could still see happening is cannabis prohibition still becoming somewhat widespread, although not quite nationwide; instead perhaps limited to most of the South, Southwest(where OTL's anti-marijuana mania started), and maybe a few more conservative Midwestern states as well. I'd imagine a 'Thunder Road' analogue(just with weed instead of moonshine.) could become a smash hit if written and directed well enough. :D

A lot more Spanish and Caribbean influence, with the US having Spanish-speaking states and states/territories in the Caribbean.

Sounds cool to me.
 
My immediate thought re: American pop culture in this TL's 1950s is Elvis Presley? Does he exist in this TL and if not, is there an equivalent for him?
 
Hey everyone,

Just wanted to say that despite not having the time to make any new posts here in Afghanistan this TL is still very much alive and I think about it often. I would be interested in y'all's opinons on what form you think 1950's American pop culture should take?

Cheers!
You are in Afghanistan?
 
My immediate thought re: American pop culture in this TL's 1950s is Elvis Presley? Does he exist in this TL and if not, is there an equivalent for him?

No. Elvis Presley not be exist in TTL. And nor anybody else who has born in OTL nine months after POD or before early 1863.
 
American movie is surely very different as in OTL. When there is not be prohibition then crime movies hardly are very common. Another big changing genre is war movie. United States has been only on two war shortly after Civil War so there hardly is much war movies between 1900 - 1950.

More difficult question is would there be anything equivalent for Hays Code and Academy Awards. Equivalent of Hays Code might butterfly away if on movie industry not be so much scandals. Or if there would be something like Hays Codes it maybe not be so strict as OTL. Academy Awards thing is too difficult thing for me.

I hadn't thought about the Hays Codes. I will look in to that. Indeed without prohibition the standard ganster picture will be different. ITTL organized crime is still a problem in the major cities and the Carribean States especially Panama.
 
It'd be nice to see the Hays Codes butterflied: they never really did much good anyhow.

As for Prohibition? Well, one plausible scenario I could still see happening is cannabis prohibition still becoming somewhat widespread, although not quite nationwide; instead perhaps limited to most of the South, Southwest(where OTL's anti-marijuana mania started), and maybe a few more conservative Midwestern states as well. I'd imagine a 'Thunder Road' analogue(just with weed instead of moonshine.) could become a smash hit if written and directed well enough. :D



Sounds cool to me.

Haven't really thought about marijuana ITTL. I will give it some thought.
 
Yes, I am.

Well stay safe out in the 'Stan, and keep up the good work. Also, cool YouTube vid!

Regarding the cannabis issue, bear in mind that DuPont and William Randolph Hearst (*SPIT*) were two of the greatest proponents for the illegalization of marijuana in the US, mostly in opposition to the use of hemp fibers for clothing and fabrics manufacture. If one or both of those entities are butterflied away (please get rid of Hearst, seriously), it may be a harder sell to criminalize the plant given its industrial use. And if THAT'S the case, it could be more trouble than it's worth to criminalize, erm, "recreational" use as well.
 
I hadn't thought about the Hays Codes. I will look in to that. Indeed without prohibition the standard ganster picture will be different. ITTL organized crime is still a problem in the major cities and the Carribean States especially Panama.

Makes sense; places that are much further behind the rest of the US, as well as far from 'prying eyes' of the federal government, are going to be rife with this kind of crime.
Expect those areas to vote hard on crime.
 
French fries would be probably belgian fries. Would there be hamburgers?

Dunno. All I know is that German/Czech immigration to central Texas wouldn't have been adversely affected by the late POD, and thus I would still be able to drink delicious Texas beer and eat delicious Kolaches. :D
 
Well stay safe out in the 'Stan, and keep up the good work. Also, cool YouTube vid!

Regarding the cannabis issue, bear in mind that DuPont and William Randolph Hearst (*SPIT*) were two of the greatest proponents for the illegalization of marijuana in the US, mostly in opposition to the use of hemp fibers for clothing and fabrics manufacture. If one or both of those entities are butterflied away (please get rid of Hearst, seriously), it may be a harder sell to criminalize the plant given its industrial use. And if THAT'S the case, it could be more trouble than it's worth to criminalize, erm, "recreational" use as well.

That certainly is very true, and butterflying DuPont & Hearst would be helpful(greatly so on the national level!), but unfortunately, it will be far from the end-all, be all. Racism did still play a major role in getting recreational marijuana banned on the state level in several states, particularly that against Chicanos, in the Southwest, at least, and given that there was plenty of hysteria concerning Chinese and Blacks having interracial relations with white women, supposedly because of the use of this drug, in these areas and some other places, I still don't think marijuana prohibition would be entirely butterflied, especially not in those areas south of the Mason-Dixon Line(basically Virginia and the Carolinas going west past Texas and including N.M. & Ariz.)

Getting rid of the prohibition on the national level wouldn't be too hard, with the right PODs. Unfortunately, it will be much, much, harder to do away with local & state prohibition. One scenario I can see possibly happening here is the tobacco and booze industries heavily lobbying in favor of statewide cannabis(though not necessarily male hemp as well) prohibition in certain states, particularly in places such as North Carolina, Virginia, and Kentucky where tobacco was practically king-of-the-hill as far as cash crops went. I can also see the equivalent of wet and dry counties across states where total prohibition of cannabis isn't as likely to occur, such as Iowa, Kansas, or Nebraska. It may even fail completely in some areas, like New England & New York, or the Pacific Northwest, where racial fears tended to be at the mininum for the era........in fact, if a significant Latino, particularly Mexican influence, can develop in New York City(and it was fairly noticeable IOTL), it may actually become a center for "stoner culture", kind of like how San Francisco did IOTL, but just with different circumstances. :D
 
Hey everyone, I know it has been a long time since we have had a real update but due to some newfound internet access I will now be able to resume this TL. As we know this TL has experienced its share of stop & starts, spoilers, and retcons. A question for y'all is would you rather I...

1) repost this TL fixing these errors and adding some additional information and then post new updates.
2) just post the retcons, add the additional information in separate posts, and continue the TL.
3) quit stalling and just post some new updates.

Thanks for the feedback. Cheers
 
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