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Eparkhos

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The Oromo?

Interesting to see the English be the ones to discover the New World for once. An alternate colonization of the Americas from the northern half of the continent should prove to be very interesting, especially once they meet the Mesoamericans or the Mississippian peoples there.
The Mississippians are one of my favorite civilizations, so they'll get a mention for sure.
Huh, if the Trapezous took back control over Anatolia, why wouldn't they be able to at least take back the Achaea to Thessaloniki?
Powerful European states would prevent it for one, second the lands have deteriorated to the point it will be real hard to recentralizes control over them, third might be still Byzantine remnant in Morea that could of expanded.
What he said, conquests in Europe would be expensive and tenuous.
Welp, looks like the initial Columbian exchange will develop from northern Europe, rather than as a Spanish and Portuguese dominated affair.

So. Britain and Scandinavia will probably get in good compared to otl. I wonder if inflation from gold will be Northern curse, and Southern Europe will benefit from the development of financial institutions taking advantage.
Possibly, possibly.
And why would they expand eastwards? There's nothing but trouble there, retaking the west and south is what's needed for a viable chance for Trebizond to retake Constantinople. Or at the very least having a majority Greek population to help combat the larger minorities on their southern and eastern borders.

Besides Georgia is still there and once a war erupts on the middle east again, Trebizond should just ignore it and go on a full on reconquest of Anatolia and Greece bit by bit over time.
I also don't really see the point in eastward and southern expansion for Trebizond. Their eastern flank is protected by Georgia and the mountainous Samtskhe region doesn't really offer much that Trebizond would be after aside from defensible terrain around Kars. Southerly expansion makes a little more sense but the lifeblood of Trebizond is in the Black Sea trade, and taking cities like Erzurum, Sivas, or Amasya will probably just net them a bunch of hostile Turkmen raids. IMO the prime target should be the remainder of the southern Black Sea coast to Izmit/Nicomedia. I'm sure the Ottoman rump state might have something to say about that, however.

Enjoyable timeline though. Love me some Trebizond.
Your point about Georgia is somewhat correct, but the mountains that shield Pontos from the plateau are controlled by Samtskhe. The Ponts will want to control the mountains to defend themselves and then use vassals to create a buffer zone.

The Ottomans are far from finished, though.
Is there no grand dream for Trebizond to retake Constantinople? Perhaps the endgame is for their borders to be approx modern day Turkey plus the Crimea?
I don't really fault any Aftokrator for not seeing Constantinople as a viable option for reconquest when their position is still pretty weak among their neighbors like the Karamanids, the Aq Qoyulnu, and the Ottomans. They don't have the resources to mount such grand campaigns on the likes of Justinian or Suleiman and trying to bank everything on something like taking Erzurum or Nicaea/Constantinople right now seems almost suicidal. Domination of the Black Sea trade seems to be the name of the game for at least for a few years or even decades until the political winds start to shift in favor of the Romans.

That being said, I still think southern expansion is probably necessary or even vital for Trebizond's continued survival. The best way for that to happen, in my opinion, is if the Aq Qoyulnu collapses in a civil war and the Trapezuntines can take advantage of the situation to annex some land from the Turkmen confederation, even taking Erzurum if they're lucky.
What he said, the Trapezuntines are too weak for desires for Constantinople to be anything other than fantasy.
And so, England will build its overseas empire ahead of time, and tobacco would already make a successful introduction in the British islands... Interesting.



You are welcome, and thanks for the clarification!
I'm somewhat disapointed to tell you that Ottoman reforms will be addressed at a later time, because I've burned through my pre-Notaras stockpile.
Has France been affected by the butterflies ? I'd say we're around the timeframe of the Treaty of Picquigny and the Burgundian Inheritance.
I don't know much about renaissance France. If you have any ideas for butterflies, PM me.
I know this isn't that important but 'Brazil/Brasil" comes from 'Brazilwood', which doesn't exist in North America, so why exactly would English people call them 'Isles of Brasil'? AFAIK the only other thing that was called 'Brazilwood' was a few species from the genus Caesalpinia.

As for the expansion of Trebizond, it's better for them if they just conquer the northern coast of Anatolia as anything other than that would just give them an unruly population and exposed flanks, for now at least.
There's a local legend among the Irish about an island called "Hy-Brasil" far to the west of Ireland. That's where the English got the name for the islands.
Oh, okay then, didn't know about that.
I'm using older names for the continents--Brasil (after the Isles of Brasil) for North America and Virginia (which was the first Portuguese name) for South America.
 
Part XVIII: Notaras' War

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P.S. I'll go back to Brasil once this war ends.

Part XVIII: Notaras’ War (1477-1482)

The sack of Genoa was a blood affair, but its knock-on effects were even bloodier.

The downfall of Genoa had begun back in 1474, when Prospero Adorno, the Milanese-appointed native governor, had been lynched as a traitor. This had drawn the ire of the Milanese, who had considered Genoa and integral part of their realm ever since the republic voluntarily disbanded itself in 1463. In early 1475, Duke Galeazzo marched on Genoa, laying siege to the city and surrounding it on all landward sides. The siege even continued after Galeazzo’s death in 1476, with his minor son Galeazzo II[1] taking the throne with his uncle and regent, Ludovico, maintaining the siege to preserve his family’s honor and prestige. The Genoese were able to hold out for several years, being continuously resupplied from their colonies by sea. However, in 1477 Ludovico persuaded the Venetians to cut the Genoese supply lines and begin a siege proper. Battista Fregoso, the fortieth and final doge of Genoa, was a capable leader and managed to hold off the Milanese for two and a half years, but even he could not make the limited food stores of the city infinite. On 28 May, 1480, a pair of starving militiamen opened one of the sally gates in exchange for safety for them and their families, and the Milanese quickly swarmed the city. The second city of the Mediterranean was brutally sacked, with a quarter of her 80,000 citizens killed or maimed and another quarter enslaved. The city’s silkworks and great hordes of wealth and art were looted in a grisly scene that would be compared to the Sack of Rome by many contemporary authors. Several hundred noblemen and women were butchered like dogs, while anyone hapless enough to be caught out in the open were left to the tender mercies of hardened sell-swords. The ships in the harbor were able to escape as the Venetians rushed to join the looting, packed to the gills before they made their desperate run. Those left on the docks were killed, either outright or by the fires that followed the advance of the Milanese. By the end of the bloody five-day sack, a third of the city had been burned to the ground.

The survivors made their way south across the Ligurian Sea to Genoese Corsica. A former Doge, Paolo di Campofregoso who, as a contemporary chronicle stated, ‘granted the immortality of an insect’, quickly took charge of things. He organized the refugees and established a makeshift capital at Calvi, the primary Genoese fortress of the island. He proclaimed himself ‘Forty-first Doge of Genoa’ here, but this title was not recognized outside of Corsica. The refugees and Genoese loyalists soon had to fight with the native Corsicans, who proclaimed their own peasant’s republic in the high mountains. While this war raged on, di Campofregoso elaborately recreated his native city, but it would remain just a pale shadow of Old Genoa. While the Genoese Republic would live on, albeit in a mutated form, at Calvi, the Genoese colonial empire fell with Adorno himself.

During its long history, the Genoese Republic had spread its tendrils across the Mediterranean, from Safi in Morocco on the far side of the Pillars of Hercules all the way to Tana in the Sea of Azov. This empire had been maintained only through the vigorous efforts of the Republic, for both native rulers and rival Italian republics eyed their conquests hungrily. The Genoese fleet had been spread across the Mediterranean to defend the republic, but its desperate summoning back to the city to hold off the Milanese had left the vast breadth of the Genoese empire almost completely undefended.

The first to strike were the Trapezuntines, with the ambitious aftokrator Alexandros II seizing Genoese colonies across the Black Sea in a nominal attempt to ‘protect’ the Genoese territories therein. He had been abetted by the governor of Gazaria, Scaramanga, who had turned over many of the fortresses to the Ponts and thus earned the undying hatred of all Genoese. The Trapezuntines would not have long to be the sole aggressor, however, and within a few years the Genoese empire had been thoroughly dogpiled by all of their many enemies. The Hafsid Emirate and the Mamluk Sultanate both took the opportunity to extend their control over Genoese factories within their ports, as did the Moroccans and Tlemcenites. Smaller trading quarters and ports across the Mediterranean, from Sevilla in Spain to the Levant, were seized by their respective governments. This caused a great amount of unrest and economic uncertainty across the Mediterranean trading networks, and there was a period of massive fluctuations in price of finished goods and commodities across the region.

However, these economic impacts were nothing in compassion to another crisis that was brewing in the Aegean. In the Treaty of Haskovo following the end of the War of the First Holy League (though of course, it was not known as such at this time), the Genoese had taken a great deal of territory from the Ottomans. More particularly, they had taken the trading ports of Volos in Thessaly and Phokaia in Asia Minor, as well as the islands of Samos, Khios, Lesbos, Ikaria, Lemnos, Tenedos and Samothrake, as well as a few minor islands scattered across the region. This seizure had greatly irked the Sublime Porte, even more than the massive losses in Europe, as the fall of Phokaia was the first time the Ottomans had lost any territory in Anatolia since the 1350s. This issue particularly irked Mahmud Angelović Paşa, who had become grand vizier for the young Mustafa II[2] after Mehmed II ‘died in a hunting accident’ in 1466. Angelović Paşa was able to persuade his ward[3] to exploit the Genoese’s momentary weakness by retaking the ports and the islands. Phokaia was retaken after a cursory siege in 1478, but the grand vizier was unable to prevail upon Mustafa to take the fight to the islands. The sultan feared that just taking over the Genoese islands would invite war with the Latins, and he was fearful of another war in the west after the beating that the Turks had taken the last time around. Ironically, this fear of causing war with the Italians would be exactly what caused war with the Latins.

You see, the Ottomans were not the only ones eyeing up the Genoese possessions in the Aegean. The eternal archrival of the Genoese, the Venetians, had desired to expand their control of the Aegean ever since the Fourth Crusade, and many of the Venetians regarded the Genoese islands as rightfully theirs. In particular, Pietro Mocenigo, the Doge, believed that these islands were Venetian by right of conquest, as their capture had been the goal of their intervention in the Genoese Revolt[4]. In 1477 and 1478, he spent armadas around Morea to seize the islands. Most of the islands were seized without a fight, but Mocenigo was cautious about presenting an overly-aggressive posture towards the Sublime Porte. Neither of the two states could fully destroy the other, but the prospect of full-blown war was daunting to both realms. Mocenigo feared that seizing the islands of Tenedos and Imbros would pose such a threat to Constantinople that Mustafa would be forced to assent to Angelović Paşa’s demands[5] and attack the Venetians. He hoped that the two islands would be left under Genoese control as an effective buffer zone. However, just in case the Ottomans did attack, he stationed two dozen galleys on Limnos under one Iakobos Notaras, with orders to prevent any attempts to take the islands.

Notaras was an interesting character. He was the son of Loukas Notaras, the right-hand man of Demetrios Palaiologos, the last of the Palaiologian emperors. After the fall of Constantinople in 1453, the rest of the Notarai had been massacred. Iakobos was enslaved as a catamite and spent the next seven years in Turkish captivity, only escaping to the west in 1460. Deeply scarred and without prospects for the future, he joined the Venetian navy with the sole intention of killing as many Turks as possible before his death. Mocenigo had appointed Notaras as commander of the Lemnian fleet in the hope that he would be strident in his defense of the two islands but not actively attempt to spark a conflict. Unbeknownst to him, Notaras had every intention of doing just that.

In 1480 Angelović Paşa finally convinced Mustafa that the islands needed to be taken quickly, both to avenge the losses of his father’s reign and ensure control over the straits into the Marmora. A small fleet of galleys and troop ships put out from Istanbul, passing out of the straits in September 1480. They exited the straits and made for Tenedos, inadvertently being beaten there by word of their departure along the Venetian spy network. Notaras scrambled his ships and moved to intercept, riding at anchor behind Cape Theotoktos on Imbros. As soon as the Turkish ships were out of range of land Notaras sprung his trap, barreling out from behind cover and into their flank. Caught by surprise, the troopships were left vulnerable. Notaras’ flagship the St. Elmo, plowed through two of the transports, reducing them to splinters and screaming men in the water. The rest of the Venetian fleet followed the admiral’s lead, sinking six of the seven transports in less than fifteen minutes before turning to their escorts. The Ottoman fleet was now in disarray, and the Turkish admiral ordered his vessels to run for Tenedos. The swifter Venetian ships then ran them down, with only one of the ten Ottoman galleys managing to run herself aground. Notaras continued the pursuit and burned the galley on the shoreline before landing and setting out to hunt down any survivors. He officially conquered both islands and installed Venetian garrisons to shore up the results of his victory.

Word of the Battle of Tenedos spread rapidly both east and west. In Constantinople, it was taken as a clear act of Venetian aggression, whereas in Venice it was received as a defensive action against Turkish expansion. Mocenigo gave a grand speech in St. Mark’s Square, rallying the Venetians to war in the name of God and country. A similar spirit was raised in Morea and Thessalia, where large populations of refugees from Constantinople and Bulgaria had settled. The former was especially eager, as Thomas Palaiologos had passed in 1465 and was succeeded by his much more aggressive son Andreas, who was eager to advance his family’s claims in the Ottoman Empire. Meanwhile, in the Sublime Porte, both Mustafa and Angelović Paşa were, if not eager, then confident that they would be victorious in the coming fight. A fleet of galleys had been laid down the previous year, and without having to face off against a Crusading coalition as they had in the War of the First Holy League, they were sure that the superior Ottoman soldiery would be victorious against their mercenary and Grecian counterparts.

While the Venetians would have superiority at sea until the Ottoman galleys were completed, their ships would be grounded in Italy until the spring of 1481 due to the katabatic winds coming down from the Croatian highlands. The Ottoman army, however, had no such limitation, and so Angelović Paşa was determined to steal a march from his enemies. In the autumn of 1480, he mustered an army in Thrace under the command of a recently promoted provincial commander named Iskender Ağa Paşa. Ağa Paşa was given a force of 3,000 Janissaries, 15,000 infantry and 10,000 cavalry drawn from across the rump Ottoman Empire, nearly a third of the total strength of the realm. He struck west from Edirne up the Ebros Valley to the border with Albania before swinging south to follow the Strymon River into the Crown of Thessalonica. Rodrigo de Lara[6], the Aragonese viceroy, was despised by the native Rhomaioi as a tyrant and a heretic who had campaigned vigorously against the Orthodox church and her followers. As such, when de Lara attempted to muster forces to meet the Turkish invasion, he could scrounge up less than 2,000 men. de Lara retreated into Thessalonike and made desperate preparations for a siege. However, Ağa Paşa was unwilling to delay for a siege and so broke off a small force to maintain the siege before moving on into Thessalia[7].

The Despotate of Thessalia was ruled by Mikhael Angelos, a Rhomaicized Serb who was the closest descendant of the old Komnenoi Doukoi rulers. However, he was also the half-brother of Angelović Paşa, and the two were on fairly good terms. Angelović had sent Angelos an offer of protection for tribute a few months previous and his brother had agreed, not wanting to lose his realm for the sake of some Venetians. As such, the Ottoman army waltzed across Thessalia unopposed, arriving at the border with Morea in late January 1481. Andreas had yet to mobilize his soldiers, as he had expected the Ottomans to still be in either Thessalonica or Thessalia. As such, Ağa Paşa brushed past the border guards and lunged into Morean territory, taking the regional center of Livadeia near the Kopais Lake by storm on 6 February. They then moved further into Attika, laying siege to Negroponte (Khalkhis) and Athens, both of which retained Crusader fortresses.


This series of disasters caused panic when it was retold back in Italy, and Mocenigo knew he had to act quickly to restore the situation in the region. He raised a massive force of 40,000, composed of numerous condottiere from across Italy and mercenaries from Croatia and Germany, and loaded them onto a grand armada of more than seventy-five galleys. With himself in personal command, he departed from Venice in mid-April, bound for the Morea. They landed in Korinthos, where Andreas had mustered 8,000 infantry and cavalry on the southern side of the Hexamilion. The combined force then launched a counter-offensive into Attika, forcing Ağa Paşa to withdraw back to the Kopais Lake. The Paşa attempted to withdraw further westwards as the allied army closed on him, but found his route blocked by a smaller Venetian force that had been landed at Galaxidi. The Second Battle of Kopais, fought on 21 May, was inconclusive, with the allies pushing the Turkish right flank into the lake but the rest of the Turkish force being able to retreat intact. The allied force then pursued Ağa Paşa’s force as far north as the Malian Plain, from whence they retreated north into Thessalia. The allies lost 7,000 men and the Turks 11,000.

With the Turks on the run, Mocenigo moved to turn their retreat into a permanent one. He left Palaiologos and his forces with 5,000 mercenaries to hold the passes onto the Malian Plain while the rest of his force took ship. They sailed up the Aegean to Thessalonike, where the Aragonese were still clinging to the city walls. Mocengio landed another large force of 10,000 men here to cut the supply lines to Ağa Paşa’s force in Thessalia and force him to battle. Meanwhile, Mocenigo reinforced his remaining 20,000 men with a force of Vlakh and Albanian mercenaries as well as a number of Greek volunteers, bringing his total strength to 30,000. He landed another pair of small forces at the fortresses of Kavala and Komotene, which guarded the road between Thessalonike and Thrake. By taking and holding these cities, the Venetians would force the Ottomans to travel along the longer Ebros-Strymon route, extending their supply and communication lines. He then retired back to Lemnos, where he continued to gather ships and mercenaries. He was deeply concerned about the capability of the Ottoman fleet, and so began making preparations to force the Straits the following year.

Late 1481 and early 1482 saw negotiations between Venice and the Sublime Porte. Angelović Paşa had successfully puzzled out what Mocengio’s plans were, and he was hoping to delay the assault on the Straits until more ships could be completed. Mocenigo, for his part, knew that an attack on the Straits would be a bloody affair, and hoped to avoid a needless loss of blood and treasure. The Venetians also sought out allies on the Ottomans’ other frontiers, primarily Trapezous and the Karamanid states, who they hoped would draw forces away from their attacks.

However, the war took an unexpected turn in February 1482, when Mocenigo died of plague on Lemnos. Disease had broken out in the camp several weeks previous but the Doge had not thought to take precautions against it, instead visiting with his men in hopes of inspiring loyalty. This backfired massively, and he perished after a brief period of illness. The sudden death of the Doge threw the Venetian cause into disarray. Several of the chief captains of the republic sailed back to Italy to take part in the election, leaving command of the fleet under the control of Notaras. This was a windfall to the Ottomans, who were able to move against the Venetians without having to face a command centralized around an able general such as Mocenigo. Angelović Paşa dispatched an army to clear the road to Thessalonike, which was now under siege by Ağa Paşa’s surviving forces. As expected, Notaras dispatched a force to prevent this, leaving his own forces understrength. This was just the opportunity that was needed.

In late May 1482, the Ottoman galley fleet was finally finished. An armada of eighty-six galleys assembled on the Golden Horn, with the experienced naval commander Gedik Ahmed Paşa at their head. The Ottoman fleet put out on 6 June and sailed across the Marmora with 20,000 soldiers aboard, ready to either be landed or fight boarding actions. After a brief voyage, they exited the straits off of Tenedos and swung westwards, towards Lemnos. The Venetians were caught unawares, their intelligence network having lapsed after the death of their ringleader, and Notaras had to scramble to meet them before they reached Lemnos.

The Battle of Imbros, fought on 18 June, was a humiliating Venetian defeat. Notaras was a capable captain but far from a good admiral, while Gedik Ahmed Paşa would be hailed by his contemporaries as the successor of Themistokles. The Ottomans used their numerical superiority well, extending a line of galleys more than a mile long. Notaras foolishly tried to match them out of fear of being enveloped, instead spreading his line out so horrifically that many of the galleys lay hundreds of feet apart from their nearest companion. The Turks exploited this mistake ruthlessly. After Gedik Ahmed Paşa gave the order to advance, the Ottoman galleys separated out in turn, with each one pinning down a Venetian counterpart in boarding actions. However, there were still Turkish galleys free to engage these now bogged-down Italian ships, which they did. Several dozen galleys were sent to the bottom and several more captured, with only fourteen of the fifty-two Venetian galleys escaping the massacre. The Ottomans lost twenty-three ships in a combination of enemy action, friendly fire and actual fire. The only saving grace was that the Ottoman landing on the island was repulsed, but this would prove to be a weak mercy as supply problems forced the large Venetian army there to surrender in July.

Following the disaster at Imbros, the Ottomans rapidly reversed their losses. The grand vizier led a large army to Thessalonike a few months later, forcing its surrender after a brief siege. They wintered in the surrounding region before pressing on across Thessalia the following year. In 1483, the new Doge--Giovanni Mocenigo, Pietro Mocenigo’s younger brother--finally sued for peace. The resulting treaty gave the contested islands over to the Ottomans, as well as the Venetian holdings of Thasos, Volos and the Skyriade Islands. The vassalage of Thessalia would also be transferred to the Sublime Porte. The following year, the Ottomans would ‘purchase’ the Crown of Thessalonica from the cash-strapped Aragonese, extending their control over the region and bringing them to new heights since the disaster two decades previous.

All of this begs the question; Why then did the Trapezuntines declare war in 1483, when all signs were against it?

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[1] Butterflies mean the young duke has a simpler name
[2] Mustafa (b.1449) was one of Mehmed’s sons who died in his childhood OTL; TTL, Angelović Paşa used him as a figurehead to secure his hold on power
[3] After Mehmed’s disasterous reign, many of the janissaries and in the court began to consider him either incompetent or cursed. In 1467, he was assassinated by Angelović and his partisans, who then seized the grand vizier and did the same. Mustafa was then installed, who in turn appointed Angelović as Paşa
[4] As the final conflict of the Republic came to be known
[5] Angelović Paşa did not have complete control over Mustafa and was afraid of pushing the Sultan into the arms of his court opponents, and so did not outright demand the islands be annexed.
[6] Butterflies mean that he never became a crusader, although he did remain a very pious Catholic.
[7] The Aragonese were at this time engaged in the War of the Castilian Succession, with Ferdinand of Aragon and Afonso of Portugal both trying to seat their wife on the throne of the disputed kingdom. TTL, due to the Aragonese being overstretched in the Mediterranean, they are unable to prevent the Portuguese from seizing Burgos in 1476 and are gradually pushed out of Castille over the following years, with the intervention of the French in 1482 causing The expenses of the war would force the Aragonese to pawn Thessalonike to the Turks.
 
I'm guessing the expanded naval capacity of the Ottomans and their victory over the Venetian forces must have put Trebizond into a panic.

Probably gonna want to eat or nibble away.
 
As Italian, I cry for the TTL devastation on Genoa, but it strenghtened the power of Milan in the North of Italy... With Venice facing this unexpected naval defeat, the Serenissima could risk to lose positions in the peninsula as well. Milan can become the powerhouse of Italy, always if won't face dynastic troubles as OTL...

I admit the Ottoman rebounce was impressive, retaking half of Greece (Thessaly and South Macedonia), but Epirus, Athens, Morea and the Aegean still hold... The Greek cause may not be lost yet, as well for Albanian indipendence.

Still, with Trebisund consolidating its control of the Black Sea, the Ottomans not necessarily are in a safe place after pegging down Venice. And it seems the two Empire are going to clash... (Depending how long the conflict would last, Venice can eventually manage to lick its wounds and bounce back in Greece as well. Always if the Milanese or the Hungarians - if they would start to look at Dalmatia - would allow them...)

But, more than Greece or Anatolia, the future of the Ottomans for me hangs in Bulgaria/Rumelia...

I'm somewhat disapointed to tell you that Ottoman reforms will be addressed at a later time, because I've burned through my pre-Notaras stockpile.

No worries the latest chapter was really awesome!
 
God I can’t wait until Venice gets raped. Literally every single thing in there is a crime against god and his people. Those devils are satan reincarnated into little devils and if I have to use Islam to cleanse them, then I will.

on a different note, Good chapter! Time to see if Trapezuntine can defeat the Ottomans considering their riding high on their victory
 
God I can’t wait until Venice gets raped. Literally every single thing in there is a crime against god and his people. Those devils are satan reincarnated into little devils and if I have to use Islam to cleanse them, then I will.

on a different note, Good chapter! Time to see if Trapezuntine can defeat the Ottomans considering their riding high on their victory
I understand but please calm down
 
God I can’t wait until Venice gets raped. Literally every single thing in there is a crime against god and his people. Those devils are satan reincarnated into little devils and if I have to use Islam to cleanse them, then I will.

on a different note, Good chapter! Time to see if Trapezuntine can defeat the Ottomans considering their riding high on their victory
Given this forum probably consists of the biggest concentration of Byzantophiles in the known universe, most people here can understand your statement.

However it might be in everyone's best interest to try and keep our standard of discussion at least a couple of notches above Youtube comments.

Also, kudos on another good one @Eparkhos, your writing certainly seems to evoking passionate responses :)
 
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Given this forum probably consists of the biggest concentration of Byzantophile in the known universe, most people here can understand your statement.
Oh...

Me becoming nervous because I love the Ottomans over the Byzantines

Sure...

Anyway, I think this timeline is very going great so far.
 
Oh...

Me becoming nervous because I love the Ottomans over the Byzantines

Sure...

Anyway, I think this timeline is very going great so far.
I see the Ottomans as the continuation of the Byzantines in the region. I like the Byzantines a bit more than the Ottomans, but I like both a lot, very interesting empires with very rich history.
 
Another thing. Skipping a few decades, but on the Italian Peninsula, are the Borgias going to still get into power? If so, and with a Trebizond reconquista, could the Borgias ally with them, so Cesare Borgia can establish a Borgia Dynasty in Italy (Duchy of Romagna)
 

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God I can’t wait until Venice gets raped. Literally every single thing in there is a crime against god and his people. Those devils are satan reincarnated into little devils and if I have to use Islam to cleanse them, then I will.

on a different note, Good chapter! Time to see if Trapezuntine can defeat the Ottomans considering their riding high on their victory
Bit too far over the top, don'tcha think?
 
God I can’t wait until Venice gets raped. Literally every single thing in there is a crime against god and his people. Those devils are satan reincarnated into little devils and if I have to use Islam to cleanse them, then I will.
Yikes. Calm down, Andreas Niketas.

I seriously doubt the Komnenoi Aftokrators in this timeline have the same personal vendetta with the Venetians as Andreas Niketas from B444's An Age of Miracles. The Sack of Constantinople is centuries before the POD and Venice hasn't done anything egregious against the Trapezuntines like the Black Day so there's virtually no "justification" towards what amounts to a crime against humanity.

The Romans could have their revenge on Venice in this timeline, but there would be far more level-headed individuals that would totally avoid wanton cruelty and outright genocide because a huge Latin crusade could literally emerge in response to such actions. I think they would take their chances on peace or a smaller response rather than just go all "Timur" for their personal satisfaction.

Another thing. Skipping a few decades, but on the Italian Peninsula, are the Borgias going to still get into power? If so, and with a Trebizond reconquista, could the Borgias ally with them, so Cesare Borgia can establish a Borgia Dynasty in Italy (Duchy of Romagna)
That would be interesting, although I'm not sure how the butterflies affected France and the HRE, who were the main instigators of the Italian Wars. Perhaps ITTL Cesare could unite Central Italy under his rule or under the Papacy, but we'll see.
 
Anatolia & the Surrounding Regions - 1484

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I'm guessing the expanded naval capacity of the Ottomans and their victory over the Venetian forces must have put Trebizond into a panic.

Probably gonna want to eat or nibble away.
It would put them in a panic, just too late.
As Italian, I cry for the TTL devastation on Genoa, but it strenghtened the power of Milan in the North of Italy... With Venice facing this unexpected naval defeat, the Serenissima could risk to lose positions in the peninsula as well. Milan can become the powerhouse of Italy, always if won't face dynastic troubles as OTL...

I admit the Ottoman rebounce was impressive, retaking half of Greece (Thessaly and South Macedonia), but Epirus, Athens, Morea and the Aegean still hold... The Greek cause may not be lost yet, as well for Albanian indipendence.

Still, with Trebisund consolidating its control of the Black Sea, the Ottomans not necessarily are in a safe place after pegging down Venice. And it seems the two Empire are going to clash... (Depending how long the conflict would last, Venice can eventually manage to lick its wounds and bounce back in Greece as well. Always if the Milanese or the Hungarians - if they would start to look at Dalmatia - would allow them...)

But, more than Greece or Anatolia, the future of the Ottomans for me hangs in Bulgaria/Rumelia...



No worries the latest chapter was really awesome!
Correct on both counts: The Trapezuntines and the Ottomans are going to war, and the Rumeliotes will effectively assimilate their conquerors.
God I can’t wait until Venice gets raped. Literally every single thing in there is a crime against god and his people. Those devils are satan reincarnated into little devils and if I have to use Islam to cleanse them, then I will.

on a different note, Good chapter! Time to see if Trapezuntine can defeat the Ottomans considering their riding high on their victory
.....Thanks?
Given this forum probably consists of the biggest concentration of Byzantophiles in the known universe, most people here can understand your statement.

However it might be in everyone's best interest to try and keep our standard of discussion at least a couple of notches above Youtube comments.

Also, kudos on another good one @Eparkhos, your writing certainly seems to evoking passionate responses :)
Thank you.
Oh...

Me becoming nervous because I love the Ottomans over the Byzantines

Sure...

Anyway, I think this timeline is very going great so far.
Nah, I don't mind Turkophiles....
I see the Ottomans as the continuation of the Byzantines in the region. I like the Byzantines a bit more than the Ottomans, but I like both a lot, very interesting empires with very rich history.
.....but caesarosultanists are disgusting. You! Out of the gene pool!
Another thing. Skipping a few decades, but on the Italian Peninsula, are the Borgias going to still get into power? If so, and with a Trebizond reconquista, could the Borgias ally with them, so Cesare Borgia can establish a Borgia Dynasty in Italy (Duchy of Romagna)
I don't know much about Renaissance Italy. They might, I'll read up on it.
Yikes. Calm down, Andreas Niketas.

I seriously doubt the Komnenoi Aftokrators in this timeline have the same personal vendetta with the Venetians as Andreas Niketas from B444's An Age of Miracles. The Sack of Constantinople is centuries before the POD and Venice hasn't done anything egregious against the Trapezuntines like the Black Day so there's virtually no "justification" towards what amounts to a crime against humanity.

The Romans could have their revenge on Venice in this timeline, but there would be far more level-headed individuals that would totally avoid wanton cruelty and outright genocide because a huge Latin crusade could literally emerge in response to such actions. I think they would take their chances on peace or a smaller response rather than just go all "Timur" for their personal satisfaction.


That would be interesting, although I'm not sure how the butterflies affected France and the HRE, who were the main instigators of the Italian Wars. Perhaps ITTL Cesare could unite Central Italy under his rule or under the Papacy, but we'll see.
This isn't so much directed at you, but at AAoM. I don't understand why B444 had Andreas Niketas calm down at the last second. There was a great deal of build-up to the razing of Venice, and to have it suddenly averted is irritating, at least in my opinion.
Oops, sorry my hatred for Venice spilled too much. Anyways, I still look forward to them dying Regardless
Fair enough, I don't care for the Venetians either.
I agree, at this point even the ghost of Alexios Komnenos is like, "That's a bit much...calm it down..."
Alexios I actually had good relations with the Venetians. Alexios V, not so much.
 
Part XIX: Protas Nika (1481-1484)

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A.S. I'm not quite sure about this part, so I can revise some if y'all want it. The outcome has to be the same, though, I've already pre-written the next two updates.

Part XIX: Protas Nika (1481-1484)

To any outsider, the entry of the Trapezuntine Empire to Notaras’ War would have seemed deluded at best and suicidal at most. Trapezous in the war has been a topic that has intrigued and perplexed generations of academics, for good reason. The story of Alexandros II’s foolhardy intervention and the following series of events that nearly destroyed the Trapezuntine Empire is a long and complicated one, so it would be best to start from the beginning.

The general consensus amongst the court of Trapezous in the latter half of the 15th Century was that the state would either expand or die. The Trapezuntine Empire had a problem with strategic depth, as its comparatively small size and coastal expanse meant that there was little room for defenders to maneuver and even less that could be recovered if lost. Their problem with strategic depth was softened somewhat by the rough hills and forests of the region, but these could only go so far. Instead, as many believed, Trapezous must expand until she was large enough to resist any invasion. This in and of itself was not unusual--the problem of strategic depth is a common one, especially for small feudal realms--but Trapezous’ geopolitical situation amplified it. The alliance with and the power of Qoyunlu made expansion to the south--which would have been the ideal route for expansion, increasing the distance from the frontier to the coastal cities--impossible, which left westward and eastward expansion as the only viable routes. However, going east would endanger their alliance with the Kartvelians, while going west would bring them closer to both the Ottomans and the Karamanids.

For the first decade of the reign of Alexandros II, the question of westward and eastward expansion dominated the court, with neither faction able to completely sway the aftokrator. They had an unfortunate tendency to spiral out into assassination attempts that set back any advances that they made, more often than not sending them right back to square one. However, this deadlock abruptly ended in 1481, when word reached Trapezous of the arrival of the aforementioned Venetian armada in the Aegean. The advocates of westward expansion, foremost among them Princess Keteon, took this as an opportunity to press for the entry of Trapezous into the war. This was aided by the suspicious death of Ioannes Gabrades, one of the chief advocates of eastward expansion, and the subsequent splintering of his faction. Nominally, Gabrades was killed in a duel, but many quietly questioned the truth of this story. Nonetheless, by 1482, the Trapezuntines were preparing to make war upon the Sublime Porte.

However, not all of the court backed this plan. Alexios Mgeli, by now in early sixties, insisted that attack the Ottoman Empire was a foolish mistake. This was dismissed by many as simple fear, as Mgeli was one of the few who still remembered the Ottoman attack on Trapezous some forty years previous. However, it was not simply fear that Mgeli based his argument upon. He drew on previous Trapezuntine campaigns in the west during the reign of Alexios I, of how conquests on the western side of Paphlagonia had withered away due to long supply lines and inaccessibility, and of how the same would happen to any advances they made. They would be fighting a war where victory would bring little and defeat would mean great loss, if not the loss of everything. They could not strike directly at Constantinople due to the breadth of the Black Sea and due to supply problems inherent within, but the Ottomans could strike directly at Trapezous, and because of this they would be at an inherent disadvantage. He also cautioned against the common belief that the Trapezuntine navy was impregnable and would defeat any Turkish force handily, in spite of the fact that the Ottomans now outnumbered them four-to-three[1]. Of course, speaking such bleak reality was not exactly popular, and Mgeli was hated by many because he spoke the truth.

Unfortunately, this period happened to coincide with a sharp decline in Mgeli’s position at court. Kantakouzenos Philanthropenos, who by now was competing with him for the post of megas domestikos, and Konstantinos Makrali (a Greek and a Laz, respectively), who was one of the primary advocates of westward expansion and was competing for position in court, conspired to remove him from power. They successfully convinced Alexandros that Mgeli had been involved with the death of Gabrades, for which the aftokrator’s stepfather was exiled to a monastery in the Lykos valley. This and related intriguing occupied much of the attention of the Trapezuntine court, and so with Mgeli’s absence the cry for war went up again. This time, Alexandros agreed, and in August 1482 the aftokrator dispatched an official declaration of war to Constantinople. Hoping to steal a march from the Turks, he dispatched 500 eleutheroi and twenty-five bandons to advance into north-west Paphlagonia and secure ports for the next year’s campaign under the campaign of the obscure moriarkh, Basileios Mikhaelakos.

Exactly five days after the bull had been dispatched, word of the Battle of Imbros reached Trapezous, throwing the court into panic. Several ships were sent to recall the one carrying the message, but through a string of errors it was just barely missed every time. With the sudden realization that he was going to have to deal with the full strength of the Ottoman Empire, Alexandros leapt into action, working around the clock solely on fear and adrenaline. Mikhaelakos, who had taken the small port city of Amastris without a fight in mid-September, was hastily recalled to Sinope. The aftokrator quickly decided that his best shot at victory would be to follow his grandfather and stepfathers’ defense plans and force the Ottomans to advance across miles of hostile terrain. He planned to clear a path--well, more accurately, leave one path somewhat cleared--for the Turks that would lead them through the wilderness while leading them open to attack from all sides. Over the winter of 1482-1483, he undertook a crash course in defensive works a la Mgeli, shutting down or flooding out many of the side roads to force any invaders onto a few selected roads, which were then fortified and made ready to be closed down at a moment’s notice. The bandons were also drilled heavily in preparation for combat, while mercenaries were contracted from every available source. The Trapezuntine navy was also recalled from Perateia and various other ports to act in a more defensive role, as Alexandros would correctly determine that they would be overwhelmed if left scattered in their positions across the Black Sea.

In 1483, the specter that had hung over the Trapezuntine empire for decades finally manifested. Even as Ağa Paşa pushed into Greece once more, Angelović Paşa turned his attention towards the insolent state which had challenged him so. With the Venetian fleet a scattered mess, Gedik Ahmed Paşa was dispatched into the Black Sea with fifty galleys to sweep the waters of the Trapezuntine fleet. They met surprisingly little opposition, as the Trapezuntine fleet had for the most part retreated to the capital. Ahmed Paşa installed garrisons in the fortress ports of Perateia before turning south and making for the Trapezuntine Empire proper. As soon as peace was signed with Venice, an Ottoman army marched eastwards. Mustafa himself commanded this force, Angelović Paşa having encouraged the sultan to legitimize himself (and thus the grand vizier) by leading from the front. He mustered a host of some 40,000 infantry, larger already than the entire Trapezuntine army, and with a massive siege train with dozens of cannons following behind it. The sultan and the vizier were determined to crush the last remnant of Rome and solidify their own claim to the ancient empire.

After crossing the breadth of Ottoman Anatolia in mid-spring, the Ottoman army arrived at Amastris on 26 May. The city’s small garrison surrendered without a fight and the port was swiftly occupied, significantly shortening any prospective supply lines. After taking Amastris, Mustafa then advanced eastwards along the coast road towards Sinope. He met a surprising amount of resistance, with his column coming under surprise attack several times and having to halt on the road to advance cannons to destroy fortresses guarding the roads, then re-organize the army’s formation to continue the march, then halt at the next fortress, etc, etc. After four days of marching, Mustafa quickly deducted that this was going to be a pattern and realized that he needed to find a work-around. He withdrew back to Amastris to mull over the problem, sending a number of emissaries to Trapezous to conduct negotiations in hopes of distracting his enemies while he planned. Alexandrios, while welcoming this as a potential solution to his conundrum, remained guarded and kept his soldiers in place. This would prove to be a mistake.

One of the central tenets of Alexandros’ plan was that the Çandarid beylik would remain loyal and serve as a distraction or, at the very worst, stay neutral. As such, he had no contingency plan when a Çandarid army attacked Mersyphon in early July. The city had been assumed to be far enough in the rear to be secure from attack and thus its garrison had been siphoned off to serve more important causes. As such, the Çandarids took the city completely flat-footed and stormed in through an untended gate. Their sacking was limited, as they intended to use it as a supply center, and after a garrison was installed the Çandarids turned westwards to ravage the lower Halys Valley. In their wake came the Ottomans, moving with shocking speed and agility that swept down the Halys to the sea. Suleyman, sensing that the Trapezuntines were up a creek, had jumped ship to the Ottomans in exchange for protection and a promise that he and his descendants would rule as vassals for the next century. In return, Suleyman allowed the Ottomans to move through the Çandarid beylik to attack the Trapezuntines in their flank. Mustafa had managed to quietly transfer his soldiers around while the aftokrator was distracted with false negotiations.

The sudden appearance of 40,000 Turks in the center of the Trapezuntine Empire threw the Trapezuntine camp into disarray. Nearly half of the Trapezuntine army had been positioned on the far bank in various manners, and they were now cut off from the vulnerable capital. Alexandros caught completely flat footed with only 20,000 men still available to him, and decided that he should try and continue his plan to wear down Turkish forces while he thought up a better one. Swallowing his pride, he summoned Mgeli back from his exile and begged the experienced general to help him, for the sake of Trapezous and the Empire. Mgeli accepted, and took over central planning for the Trapezuntine army. However, he wouldn’t have the time to affect any change before the Ottomans forced his hand.

Amisos, a road hub who connected the western and eastern halves of the Trapezuntine Empire, was taken by the Ottomans with shocking speed. Mustafa raised his cannonade on a hill opposite the city’s harbor and opened up, smashing through the wall in a few short days. The city was then taken by storm, hundreds of Turkish soldiers rushing into the breach against only a few Trapezuntine defenders. With this city fallen, the division of Trapezuntine forces was effectively solidified, allowing the sultan a free hand for most of his army. Suspecting that similar traps as had been arrayed in Paphlagonia awaited him on the coast road to Trapezous, he opted to take an alternate route. In mid-August, 20,000 Ottoman soldiers moved with a shocking speed up the Lykos valley, brushing aside the garrisons and fortresses therein. Their sole goal were the passes over the Pontos Range, which needed to be seized before the winter snows set in.

Mgeli sees the troop movement and anticipates where the attack is coming. Mgeli and Alexandros rush to guard the passes with most of their army, leaving only a small force to defend the coast road. The dash for the pass is manic, with the supply situation being thrown to the curb in a time of panic and desperation. However, the roads which they themselves had intentionally sabotaged hold them up, and the Trapezuntine army reaches the pass only to see horse-tail banners streaming above it. They withdraw northwards towards Trapezous in a fighting retreat, destroying bridges and further worsening the roads to stall for time. Meanwhile, Alexandros desperately ordered food and other supplies to be brought in from every available quarter and extra soldiery to be brought in to reinforce the garrison. Civilians are organized and shuttled east to Kapnanion, with the exception of some manual laborers and the gunsmiths of the city. After three weeks of skirmishing, the aftokrator and his generals are forced back into the capital on 16 September with only 15,000 soldiers, some 20,000 civilians and fifty galleys against 40,000 or more Ottomans and more galleys.

The Siege of Trapezous had begun…..

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[1] There had been a steady stream of ship-building since Alexandros I’s reign, but this had only sufficed to maintain the size of the fleet.
 
Uh....so that happened.

This is definitely an example of "biting off more than you can chew" and it sucks that we lost Alexios Mgeli in the process, as I very much liked the guy and he was one of the main keys towards the Komnenoi's success. At least this shows people were right that Trapezous couldn't really take on the Ottomans even at their weakened state ITTL, much less what the Ottomans are capable of now during Notaras' War. While it's likely they will survive, this will effectively kill any ambition at taking Constantinople, at least for a long while....
 
This isn't so much directed at you, but at AAoM. I don't understand why B444 had Andreas Niketas calm down at the last second. There was a great deal of build-up to the razing of Venice, and to have it suddenly averted is irritating, at least in my opinion.
I think it's because Andreas's inherent personality was more kindhearted and loving as a kid before the Black Day utterly broke him (He was a freaking child when he basically lost everything, including his innocence). It wasn't until he actually tried to commit wholesale genocide against the Venetians (like actually wiping out the entire population) that he suffered a massive internal conflict that left him unable to fully carry out the task. Thankfully, he chose to stop any more violence and prevented himself from falling himself further into darkness. For me, it's a moment of humanity for Andreas that ultimately makes him a better character in my opinion.

It's not like Venice got scot free during this entire event, as he forcefully displaced much of the population to eastern Anatolia and much of the imagery of the old Republic was thoroughly stripped, so the old city never became a threat to Rhomania again and is still under their control. Still, that's probably a better fate for them than 80-100% of their population being virtually wiped out.
 
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