Ricardolindo
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If the Ummayads had won the Siege of Constantinople (674-678), what and how much territory could they realistically have conquered?
The Bulgars on the Danube would certainly give the Umayyads just as much trouble as they gave the Byzantines, I’m sure they could conquer the surrounding Thracian countryside and the islands dotting the Aegean Sea - but expanding into Macedonia and inner Greece would certainly be difficult for them.
The bulgars probably will convert to islam as well
The Bulgars only crossed the Danube in 680.
Not likely the Rus where a Forrest tribe not stteppe tribeAn Ummayd Constantinople would probably lead to an Islamic Russia.
However, I'm skeptical that it would lead to an Islamic Western Europe, I doubt that the Ummayads could project their power so far away.
First and foremost it is almost impossible for the arabs to take the city for many reasons
But for the scenarios sake
Islam would change and the orthodox Curch would be intermingled with it
Anatolia would be like Persia it converted to Islam but did not adapt Arabic culture since it had one already
The Bulgars are fresh of the sttepe by 680 so it's more likely that they would comvert to Islam
With out the Byzantines the Muslims now have 100% control over the medditerrian
So an invasion of Italy is very very likely
North Africa migth be different with the caliphate ocuupied with Bulgaria
King kusaila could gather more troops and use relgion as a rally cry for the surviving Byzantine forces in Africa and it would mean that north Africa takes longer to conquer
Not likely the Rus where a Forrest tribe not stteppe tribe
They would most likely be Roman catholics
I don't think that it's almost impossible for the Ummayds to take it in the first siege, according to LSCatillina, in https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...siege-of-constantinople.424830/#post-15502207, there would be a chance for the siege to succeed if Constantine IV was defeated before the walls.
The Rus converted to Orthodoxy because of their close relations with the Byzantine Empire. If the Ummayds conquered Constantinople, it would be them that would establish close relations with the Rus. Thus, the Rus would convert to Islam. You should understand the geopolitical context.
In this world it's easy to predict which convertI don't think that it's almost impossible for the Ummayds to take it in the first siege, according to LSCatillina, in https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...siege-of-constantinople.424830/#post-15502207, there would be a chance for the siege to succeed if Constantine IV was defeated before the walls.
The Rus converted to Orthodoxy because of their close relations with the Byzantine Empire. If the Ummayds conquered Constantinople, it would be them that would establish close relations with the Rus. Thus, the Rus would convert to Islam. You should understand the geopolitical context.
There are a bunch of imponderables resulting from this.
What is the impact on the Western Mediterranean?
2. Do not only the Berbers but other peoples in the Med, ike the Lombards and/ or Visigoths, convert to Islam due to the prestige/ shock of Constantinople falling?
What are impacts to the North and East?
1. Do any or all of the Rus, Bulgars, or Magyars convert to Islam?
I desagreeI think, that, the Rus and the Bulgars would convert to Islam. I don't think, that, the Magyars and the Lombards would convert, though. As for the Visigoths, IOTL, many of them converted due to the Ummayad conquest of the Visigothic Kingdom.
I desagree
I think that the Rus will not covert to Islam
Because in. Those northern regions in that time most meat came from pork and preservation of wheat was via alchol things prohibited by Islam
Unless the Rus want to starve I don't see them converting
and the magyars would convert they are a steppe tribe and Islam usually wins in converting those