The Two Unlucky Soldiers

Excellent, of all the American's founding fathers Jefferson always managed to rub me the wrong way. Hopefully Adams will be able to survive the war by just being exiled.

I am guessing that the British will win the overall war but in Vermont and other peripheral territories patriot griups will remain defacto. I could see Vermont becoming the perpetual troublemaker.

Perhaps the Patriots will be the new Jacobites? Every few years they revolt only to be put down until the vast majority excepts the staus quo and turns away from the lost cause?
 
Excellent, of all the American's founding fathers Jefferson always managed to rub me the wrong way. Hopefully Adams will be able to survive the war by just being exiled.

I am guessing that the British will win the overall war but in Vermont and other peripheral territories patriot griups will remain defacto. I could see Vermont becoming the perpetual troublemaker.

Perhaps the Patriots will be the new Jacobites? Every few years they revolt only to be put down until the vast majority excepts the staus quo and turns away from the lost cause?
The founding fathers should probably be thankful so many of them are lawyers with the way things are turning out.
 
Bennjamin Franklin's son was a prominent loyalist. OTL he was captured by the Patriots. Perhaps ITTL he will be able to secure a nice out of court settlement for his father? Say a pardon on the condition that he remain confined to the United Kingdom for the remainder of his mortal life and refrain from the publishing of articles of inflamatory nature?

After all Benjamin Franklin was a celebrity of the time. Then as now you can get away with crap that would land other pople in deep s*it if you are a celebrity.

I could see Franklins memoirs published post mortem,

"Liberty Lost: The Rise and Fall of the Continental Movement"
by Benjamin Franklin
 
Part VII: God save the King

From "A History of the First American Insurrection" by John Harrison IV, 1932, Willamette Publishing, Oregon City, Oregon

The Battle of Camden in April of 1779 proved to be a surprise victory for the colonial forces. Wayne's forces stopped Tarleton and his men dead in their tracks. The victory forced the British forces to the south, where Wayne scored another victory at the Battle of the Congaree. This time Tarleton lost his life as well as the field. These two victories were tempered, however, by the fact that a smaller army under General Benjamin Lincoln had failed to liberate Georgia from the forces under Thomas Brown. Brown managed to call a rump Georgian assembly which renounced independence. News soon reached Wayne that Delaware and New Jersey had also redeclared allegiance to the Mother Country ...

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From "The Encyclopedia of New England History" published by Hendersonville Publishing, Hendersonville, Cumberland, 1955

Even though Burgoyne's men were dying in the Green Mountains, Burgoyne and his main army had moved on into the main part of New England to retake Boston. Artemis Ward attempted to stop Burgoyne's army at Springfield, Massachusets, but in spite of a valiant effort Burgoyne was able to break through. Ward retreated to Boston and fortified the city. Boston was able able to hold out until 1780, but Burgoyne was finally able to take the city with the aid of the Royal Navy ...

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From "A History of the First American Insurrection" by John Harrison IV, 1932, Willamette Publishing, Oregon City, Oregon

Unsurprisingly, the colonists had a disadvantage when it came to sea warfare. And yet, it was on the high seas that they had one of their most succesful victories. Though France had refused to officially help the colonists, there was some unofficial help, and part of this came in the form of the "Bonhomme Richard." Given to the colonial naval officer John Paul Jones,the "Bonhomme Richards" participated in the Battle of Flamborough Head. In spite of the "Richard" taken so much damage that it had to be scuttled, Jones was able to lead his men to victory and take the " HMS Serapis." It would prove to be the colonist's only victory on the seas ...

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From "British Victory: Inevetible?" by James Roberts , 1972 [1]

People often wonder why, if General Wayne was winning so many battles, he ultimately surrendered to Clinton. The answer is a complex one. People often forget that if the Second Continental Army was destroyed, Congress would be unable to create a third one. There simply weren't enough men willing to fight for what was increasingly being viewed as a lost cause. This also played against Wayne himself, as every casualty the SCA took was irreplaceable. Another reason was Georgia's realignment with the crown, allowing Cornwallis a base at Savannah to resupply and reinforce his men. When Clinton move down into North Carolina, it was clear that the conflict was entering its endphase. Wayne continued to gain victories against his opponents, but he constantly had to sacrifice land to gain these victories, land the colonists couldn't afford to lose. Wayne won the battles, but ultimately, he lost the war. Thus, he was justified in meeting Clinton at Guilford Courthose to discuss his terms of surrender ...

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From "A History of the First American Insurrection" by John Harrison IV, 1932, Willamette Publishing, Oregon City, Oregon

Clinton was surprisingly generous to the Second Continental Army, allowing them to return home provided they reaffirm their allegiance to the King and agree to never again take up arms against His Majesty. The resolution of the insurrection then moved from the colonies themselves to the hallowed halls of Westminster, were Parliament decide on the fate of the colonies and the ringleaders of the insurrection. It is, perhaps, fortuitous that so many of the Congressmen were lawyers, and that so many of them had friends in high places ... In the end, the feared mass executions never took place. Some of the more vocal opponents of the monarchy, such as Thomas Paine and Patrick Henry, were executed, but most of the Continental leaders were simply imprisoned or exiled, and all had their property confiscated ...

As for the colonies themselves, all thirteen had to renounce their claims to land beyond the Appalachian Mountains. The Vermont Republic was abolished, its territory considered a part of the Province of New York, while the northern portion of Massachusets [2] was broken off and absorbded into Nova Scotia. The colonies were also made to recognise the Quebec Act, surrendering all land north of the Ohio River to the colony of Quebec. As for the land south of the Ohio, it was divided into three new regions: Ohio [Kentucky], Cumberland [Tennessee], and Kingsland [Northern Mississippi and Northern Alabama] ...

The fighting wasn't over. The Green Mountains and Appalachian Mountains still harbored rebels, but their will to fight slowly ebbed away. Daniel Shay's ill-fated attempt to take the Springfield Armoury is generally considered to be the last battle of the First American Insurrection.


[1] This excerpt is from a college essay, in case your wondering
[2] OTL's Maine
 
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Well, here is the the long awaited Part VII, which wraps up the ARW (or First American Insurrection as its called TTL). I'll be going to St. Louis for the weekend, so I won't be posting until Monday. In te mean time, please rate and review.
 
Nice way to round up this part of history. I take it that since the excerpts refer to the 'First American Insurrection' this won't be the last time we see the American colonials attempt a revolution.

Are we going to find out about the second 'Unlucky Soldier' soon? I'm having a hard time guessing at his identity.
 
Well, here is the the long awaited Part VII, which wraps up the ARW (or First American Insurrection as its called TTL). I'll be going to St. Louis for the weekend, so I won't be posting until Monday. In te mean time, please rate and review.

Very nice post! Love the alt-sources. Ah, alt-historians speculating that their history is inevitable. :D
 
Excellent. My only complaint is that the big wigs like Adams, Jefferson, Arnold, and Franklin did not recieve individual mention. Adams if allowed to remain might go far after all he was one of the more level headed and comptent members of the Founding Fathers.

Nice touch with mentioning the Republic of Vermont, the Americans not from that state do not even seem to know it was ever independent.

Perhaps in the future a song about John Paul Jones will become the anthem for the American rebels, "I have not yet begun to fight!" a good slogan for guerillas facing a mighty empire. Besides I never really bought Yankee Doodle as a song for Turtledove's terrorists.

I wonder how this victory will affect the development of Royal Power in Britain?
 
Hmm, wierd, Parts 2, 3, 5, and 6 seem to have shrunk in font size. :confused: Anyway ...

Bennjamin Franklin's son was a prominent loyalist. OTL he was captured by the Patriots. Perhaps ITTL he will be able to secure a nice out of court settlement for his father? Say a pardon on the condition that he remain confined to the United Kingdom for the remainder of his mortal life and refrain from the publishing of articles of inflamatory nature?

After all Benjamin Franklin was a celebrity of the time. Then as now you can get away with crap that would land other pople in deep s*it if you are a celebrity.

I could see Franklins memoirs published post mortem,

"Liberty Lost: The Rise and Fall of the Continental Movement"
by Benjamin Franklin
Well, Ben Franklin and William Franklin never quite got over their diffreing viewpoints OTL. In any event, Franklin was in France when the war (for all intents and purposes) ended TTL, and he'll wind up staying there for the rest of his life.

Nice way to round up this part of history. I take it that since the excerpts refer to the 'First American Insurrection' this won't be the last time we see the American colonials attempt a revolution.

Are we going to find out about the second 'Unlucky Soldier' soon? I'm having a hard time guessing at his identity.
Soon. My next posts will explain the fates of the more famous Revolutionary characters and go into the effects victory will have on Westminster.

Very nice post! Love the alt-sources. Ah, alt-historians speculating that their history is inevitable. :D
They don't veiw it as inevitable until after Saratoga. Before Saratoga the official train of thought is that the Americans were the victims of some real bad luck.
Excellent. My only complaint is that the big wigs like Adams, Jefferson, Arnold, and Franklin did not recieve individual mention. Adams if allowed to remain might go far after all he was one of the more level headed and comptent members of the Founding Fathers.

Nice touch with mentioning the Republic of Vermont, the Americans not from that state do not even seem to know it was ever independent.

Perhaps in the future a song about John Paul Jones will become the anthem for the American rebels, "I have not yet begun to fight!" a good slogan for guerillas facing a mighty empire. Besides I never really bought Yankee Doodle as a song for Turtledove's terrorists.

I wonder how this victory will affect the development of Royal Power in Britain?
The fates of the Founding Fathers, Parliament, and a few figures who became famous later OTL will be dealt with in the next couple of posts.

As for Vermont, it was much like Texas in the 1830s - It was de facto independent now, but most people wanted to join the US at a later date. And much like Texas, it went straight from an independent republic to statehood. Of course, "Don't mess with Vermont" just doesn't have the same ring to it (though they do have "Don't tread on me" now that I think about it)."
 
Nice way to round up this part of history. I take it that since the excerpts refer to the 'First American Insurrection' this won't be the last time we see the American colonials attempt a revolution.

Are we going to find out about the second 'Unlucky Soldier' soon? I'm having a hard time guessing at his identity.

baggins

From vague memory of comments earlier in the thread about a more successful Napoleon - I think but been away a couple of weeks so could be remembering wrongly - I have a feeling that the other soldier is the Duke of Wellington.

Notice jmberry made no comment on your query about the First insurrection but sounds like something going to happen and probably their going to claim links or inspiration from the 1st rebellion. [On the other hand it could be a predominantly French/Indian uprising about being swamped and supplanted by Anglo-speakers. Or a rebellion in a larger south about the empire imposing an end to slavery. Or possibly other factors].

Steve
 
baggins

From vague memory of comments earlier in the thread about a more successful Napoleon - I think but been away a couple of weeks so could be remembering wrongly - I have a feeling that the other soldier is the Duke of Wellington.

Notice jmberry made no comment on your query about the First insurrection but sounds like something going to happen and probably their going to claim links or inspiration from the 1st rebellion. [On the other hand it could be a predominantly French/Indian uprising about being swamped and supplanted by Anglo-speakers. Or a rebellion in a larger south about the empire imposing an end to slavery. Or possibly other factors].

Steve
Steve,

The reason I didn't mention the Second American Inssurrection is because
A) I don't want to give too much away, and
B) It's a ways away, and not the most important item on my mind right now

That said, I don't think it'll surprise anyone if I say Andrew Jackson will be an important figure in the SAW.
 
Part IX: Whatever happened to ... ?

John Dickinson (1732 - ), the only delegate to vote against declaring independence, defected to the Loyalists in 1779 when it was clear to him that the Patriots would lose. After the insurrection, he was appointed Royal Governor of Delaware.

John Adams (1735 - ) was tried in 1782 with the rest of the colonial leaders. His skilled oratory served him well, and he was able to get a sentence of exile for life. Unfortunately, Adams was unable to negotiate a lenient sentence for his cousin Samuel Adams, who was hung in 1782. Adams would spend the rest of life with his wife and sons living in Amsterdam.

George Clinton (1739 - 1782) was a man well known for his hatred of Tories and seizing their property to pay for war taxes. An adamant patriot, he demanded the death penalty. Westminster oblidged.

Olliver Ellsworth (1745 - ) made a name for himself as a lawyer during the post-insurrection trials. After the war, he returned to Hartford to resume his law practise.

Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) was still a popular man in Britain, despite his Patriot feelings. In any event, he never showed up for his trial, having been in France when Wayne surrendered. Parliament tried him in absentia and sentenced him to exile for life. Franklin would spend his last days in Paris, enjoying the company of Madame Helvetius and writing his history of the FAW, "A Great Improvisation."

Elbridge Gerry (1744 - 1792) would spend his post-insurrection life in prison, dying of influenza only ten years after his sentencing.

Alexander Hamilton (1755 - 1777) was among those killed in Gates's ill-fated attempt to gain the New Jersey side of the Delaware. He was only 22 years old.

John Hancock (1737 - 1782) was made out to be the ringleader of the insurrection and was executed accordingly.

Benjamin Harrison V (1726 -1787) gained ten years in prison, but only lived through five of them before catching typhoid. He left behind a son, William Henry Harrison (1773 - ).

Patrick Henry (1736 - 1782) probably had the shortest trial of all. His execution was inevitable the moment the British won.

Thomas Jefferson (1743 - ) was able to get away with exile for life, probably the most surprising verdict out of all the trials. He spent the first few years of his exile with Franklin in Paris, then moved his family to Naples when in became clear that storm clouds were gathering in France.

Rufus King (1755 - ) briefly flirted with the idea of joining the Patriots after his graduation from Harvard, but their continous defeats in New Jersey and Pennsylvania convinced him to stay out of the war. Instead, he went straight to law practise.

George Rogers Clark (1752 - 1794) never quite recovered from the Patriots' defeat. Though he only gained a year in prison, he returned to the West a broken man, depressed and alcoholic. After drinking to much one night, he suffered a sudden and lethal stroke.

Horatio Gates (1727 - 1782) and Charles Lee (1732 - 1782) were tried together, and hung together.

"Mad" Anthony Wayne (1745 - 1790) was sentenced to house arrest for life. He would spend the rest of his days urging would-be Patriots to bury the hatchet and reconcile with the mother country.

Andrew Jackson (1767 - ) is returning home after serving in the Second Continental Army. His side constantly hurting from when a British officer sabered him, his entire family dead from war related hardship, the young lad has vowed eternal vengence on the British.

James Monroe (1758 - 1789) was one of the first men sent to the infamous New York prison ships. Though he was released after the insurrection, his health never recovered, and he died seven years later.

Gilbert du Mortier, Marquis de Lafeyette (1757 - ) returned home to France, where he became something of a celebrity.
 
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Well, here is Part IX, detailing the fate of as many Revolutionary figures as I could remember. The next post will deal with the politcal scene in Westminster, followed by a post detailing the effects on Europe (and, to a lesser extent, the East Indies).

Anyway, please rate and review.
 
No complaints here. A dark shadow clearly hangs over Andrew Jackson, history is far from done with the Aerican Caesar I think.

Jefferson's bit indicates that France will still endure troubles. I would guess that if Britain becomes distracted by a set of Revolutionary Wars Jackson will raise the Serprent Banner? Always did like that one better than Old Glory(Old Glory, hmph Yankee punks claiming seniority).
 
Just to let everyone know I'm still working on this. College has just been taking up a good part of my time. Anyway the next post should come by tomorrow night (Central Time).
 
Part VIII

From "A History of England Volume II: 1688 to the Present" by Douglas Roberts, 1980, Oxford [1]​

The victory in America gave Lord North carte blanche to continue his policies in Parliament. Pushers for parliamentary reform like Wyvill were promptly silenced. The Whigs were soon paralyzed by Lord Rockingham's premature death in July, 1782, and unable to mount effective opposition to the Tories. Elections were called shortly after the floor beneath John Hancock fell, and when Parliament met on January 12, 1784, North was retained as First Lord of the Tresuary, with Lord Shelburne as leader of the opposition [2]. Shelburne would have his work cut out for him, as the Whigs fell apart between the Moderates, led by William Pitt the Younger, son of the esteemed Earl of Chatham, and the Radicals, led by the Commons' most brilliant orator, Charles James Fox, second son of Henry Fox, one time foe of Chatham. The Pitt-Fox rivalry would grow more intense and bitter as the sons grew in prominence. [3]​

In the spring of 1784, with the insurrectionist trials and the insurrection itself behind them, North introduced the Colonial Acts of 1784 to the Commons. The acts consisted of two bills, one for North America, and one for the East India Company. The American bill passed the Houses with little fuss, save from Fox who claimed it was "trampling on the God-given rights of fellow British citizens." The East India Company bill was more controversial. It would deprieve the East India Company of contorl of the government of British India and turn control over to a board of seven commisioners and nine assistants, all sixteen of whom would serve for four years, would be irremovable, and would be free to dispense much patronage. All 16 were followers of North [4]. Although the public and the Radical faction raised a hue and cry about this gigantic piece of patronage, the bill passed the Commons 208 to 102 [5]. Inspite of its unpopularity, George III advised the House of Lords to pass the bill, probably because it was opposed so strongly by Fox, a man the king detested. The House of Lords was more of an adjunct of, than a check on, the monarchy since it included loyal placemen, obedient bishops, deferential Scots, and lords eager for more honor and favors. On June 13, 1784, it therefore passed the India Bill [6]. This would prove to be the end of a unified opposition to the Tories, as Fox and supporters broke with Shelburne and Pitt to form the Radical party.​

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From "The Encyclopedia of New England History" published by Hendersonville Publishing, Hendersonville, Cumberland, 1955​

Colonial Act of 1784 - Noth America - An act of Parliament passed by the North ministry that reformed administration in Britain's North American colonies in the wake of the First American Insurrection. The most salient articles of the Act were as follows:​

-The Green Mountains region was merged into the Province of New York [7]​

-The Maine region of Massachusets was made part of Nova Scotia​

-The land north of the Ohio River was confirmed as part of Quebec, and forbidden to immigration from the rebellious colonies​

-The land south of the Ohio River was turned into the Provinces of Ohio, Cumberland, and Kingsland, were immigration from the rebellious colonies was restricted[8]​

-The thirteen rebellious colonies were placed under military administration, with most of their rights suspended (i.e. the right to freedom of assembly, the right to bear arms, et cetera)[9]​





[1] Douglas Roberts is a very pro-Tory man, and this is reflected in his writing
[2] OTL, of course, North resigned in 1782, to be replaced by the Whigs under Rockingham, and then Shelburne after Rockingham's death
[3] Shelburne himself favored Pitt's faction both OTL and TTL. TTL this caused problems down the line (even more than OTL)
[4] This bill is more or less the same as the East India Bill supported by the Fox-North coalition, introduced slightly later
[5] Same as OTL
[6] OTL Geoge III, and by extension the House of Lords, opposed the bill because Fox supported it. Since the bill was wildly unpopular, it was the perfect chance to destroy Fox's powerbase. TTL, Fox opposed the bill, so George supported it. In both Tls he made no move for or against it while it was debated in the Commons
[7] The Green Mountains Region is OTL Vermont
[8] OTL's Kentucky, Tennesee sans the region that tried to become the State of Franklin, and the northern halves of Mississippi and Alabama, respectively
[9] This was all to be overseen by Sir Henry Clinton, the new Colonial Secretary​
 
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Here is Part VIII (I, uh, misnumbered the previous post) detailing the effects victory has had on Parliament. Hope you guys like it.

Also, if anyone knows how to get paragraphs into posts, that would be much appreciated.Tab won't work for some reason, and using the spacebar multiple times got negated when I actually posted.
 
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