The Two Unlucky Soldiers

burmafrd

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Not having to worry about France as in the OTL, this allows ENgland to put a lot more effort and resources into this fight.
Also, without the Baron Von Steuben, does the Continental army ever really learn how to fight conventionally?
Wayne is an interesting choice= he was very young then. But talented.

There are so many butterflies from Washington dying; and you see in this TL just how important he was. And this is just the war; if somehow the colonies do get their independence, they have no single person to rally around as they did with Washington.

As this story shows, Washington truly was the single most important person of that time.
 
Part V: The World of Diplomacy

Throughout the war the colonies tried to get foreign recognition and aid for their cause. Envoys were sent all over to get the aid which would make or break their cause. Among the Indian tribes, few received the diplomats warmly, preferring to side with the British or remain neutral. The tribe that showed the most promise were the Lenape, ruled by Chief White Eyes. White Eyes considered himself a friend to the colonists, and promised aid and supplies. The string of colonial defeats meant that he wouldn't risk declaring open war against the British, however. The colonists didn't take this well, apparently. White Eyes was murdered in November, 1777, possibly by colonial hands. The negotiations broke down, and the Lenape would wind up declaring openly for the British by January, robbing the colonists of their one possible ally in North America.

Other envoys sent to the Quebecois were even less succesful. The Quebecois might have been good allies to their southern neighbors, but the Brtish had ruled New France fairly since 1763, and the Quebecois remembered with bitterness the outcry the Sons of Liberty had made about the Quebec Act, labelling as one of the so called Intolerable Acts. The colonists would see no help from the Quebecois.

As most people know, thirteen colonies rose up against Britian, but these thirteen weren't the only colonies the Court of St. James had on the Western side of the Atlantic. Quebec, Nova Scotia, and the Hudson's Bay Company were too loyal to the crown to rebel, and the Ohio River Valley too saprsely settled to matter in the war itself. Florida was little more than St. Augustine and acres upon acres of swamp. The Caribbean colonies, however, had been settled by the same group of Puritans who created New England. The New Englanders hoped their islander cousins would join them, but the Royal Navy was powerful. Even if the Bahamas, Jamaica, the Antillies, and Georgetown all rose up against the crown, His Magesty's Fleet would ensure they could do no harm to Britain's cause. Thus, regardless of their feelings, the Caribbean colonists stayed loyal.

Europe was the colonists' biggest hope for support. If one of the great kingdoms of Europe joined them, then victory could be snatched from the jaws of defeat. The Kingdom of Sweden had actually recognised the United States, though they stopped short of doing anythig else. The other great nations of Europe - the Tsardom of all Russias, the Kingdom of Spain, the United Provinces of the Netherlands - all refused to support the rebels. In France, however, the American envoys were met with great pomp and splendor. The uprising was very popular in Britain's most ancient rival, and a few Frenchmen, such as one Marquis de Lafeyette, had actually traveled to North America to join in thee rebellion. However, shortly after the envoys arrived news of the defeats at Valley Forge and Saratoga followed. Louis XIV was a gracious host. He gave the rebellion his blessing, promised supplies and funds, but, like other well-wishers the colonists had talked to, he stopped short of military intervention.

By the time Charleston fell to Cornwallis, the message was clear. If the Americans wanted independence, they would have to win it on their own.
 
Well the Revolution is screwed. No loans from Holland will put them further in debt and no morale boosts from Saratoga and French recognition means fewer volunteers. OTL many soldiers were coerced to renlist after fulufilling tours of duty, a number being shanghaied by Continental troops.

So I imggine the CA will have increasing difficulty in recruiting young men, especially if the British do not abuse the populace. After all the Rebellion has met two failures for every success and all the major cities have fallen(I think).

So the Colonials at this point I think have two real options. 1. Gather a major force to meet the British and try to win a decisive victory to discouage Britain rause morale, and hopefully secure more aid from abroad. 2. Give up on convetional warfare and turn to the guerilla tactis that worked earlier. Harass and raid British portions and avoid major standoffs.

With Charleston and New York Province in British hands I do not see a colonial victory on the horizon. Though if the British are too harsh we might see another rebellion in the future.
 
Well the Revolution is screwed. No loans from Holland will put them further in debt and no morale boosts from Saratoga and French recognition means fewer volunteers. OTL many soldiers were coerced to renlist after fulufilling tours of duty, a number being shanghaied by Continental troops.

So I imggine the CA will have increasing difficulty in recruiting young men, especially if the British do not abuse the populace. After all the Rebellion has met two failures for every success and all the major cities have fallen(I think).

So the Colonials at this point I think have two real options. 1. Gather a major force to meet the British and try to win a decisive victory to discouage Britain rause morale, and hopefully secure more aid from abroad. 2. Give up on convetional warfare and turn to the guerilla tactis that worked earlier. Harass and raid British portions and avoid major standoffs.

With Charleston and New York Province in British hands I do not see a colonial victory on the horizon. Though if the British are too harsh we might see another rebellion in the future.
The loans from Holland weren't really on my mind when I wrote this, but now that I think about it those will make a lot of difference in the endgame. The changes I was thinking of dealt with the fact that there isn't going to be a Fourth Anglo-Dutch war, so the United Provinces will be much stronger entering the 19th century. Likewise, Spain isn't going to take the Bahamas, so Florida will remain British (the Americans aren't going to take it. The only settlement of note in 18th century Florida is St. Augustine, which is defended by the Castelo de San Marco, an impregnable fortress).

Most of the major American cities are in British hands - Philadelphia, NYC, Charleston, Savannah (which I haven't mentioned yet). Boston, Baltimore, and Williamsburg are pretty much all that's left, and Baltimore won't last long. This is all as OTL, but without the victories at Princeton and Trenton Philly was taken sooner, and this led to defeat at Saratoga (since Philadelphia wasn't there to distract Howe).

The colonials will try the prior option first. Wayne has already planned to meet Cornwallis at a small South Carolina town called Camden. If that fails, well, since this is the last real army the Americans can field a defeat at Camden will probably end the real war right then and there.

Before I post the next update this week I have a question to ask everyone. Are there any historical figures you want to hear about?
 
Right now?

Well... personally I'd be interested to see what happened to Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Franklin particularly.
 
Before I post the next update this week I have a question to ask everyone. Are there any historical figures you want to hear about?

Thomas Brown.

I'd like to hear what mischief he's up to in order to thwart the patriots in TTL, and what he done instead of OTL
 
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Right now?

Well... personally I'd be interested to see what happened to Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. Franklin particularly.

Thomas Brown.

I'd like to hear what mischief he's up to in order to thwart the patriots in TTL, and what he done instead of OTL

Ethan Allen and his family, if it may do you fine.
Thanks for your support. I'll include those four in the next post. On a related note, I'm going to try a narrative-style post for Part VI.
 
Sorry Part VI is taking so long. Narratives have proven to be a lot harder for me to write than I thought. That and my birthday came up, so I've been busier than I originally planned.
 
Part VI: Viewpoints

Killington Peak, Vermont Republic, March 5, 1779

Ethan Allen stared through his spyglass. The Redcoats were encamped less than a mile from where his Green Mountain Boys were hidding. He couldn't help but spit in disgust. The British shouldn't have come this far in the first place. But Congress had chosen politics over military expediency, appointing Chalres Lee over the more skilled Benedict Arnold to defend New York and Philadelphia. Well, look where that got them.

"Lieutenant," Allen called to his aide, "inform the men that we attack at dusk. OUr objective is to scatter the Redcoats to the wind."

"Aye Aye sir!" the aide called back, then relayed the orders to the Patriots.

***

The British sentires weren't even able to shout a warning when the attack came. The Battle of Killington Peak was over almost before it began. And inspite of being outnumbered, the Green Mountain Boys had driven off thier enemy. Ethan Allen couldn't help but feel a sense of pride in his men. The Continental Army had blundered into one defeat after another, but the Green Mountain boys were ensuring that the Redcoats wold pay a high price for Vermont.

***

Monticello, Virginia, March 10, 1779

Thomas Jefferson was not a happy man. The war for independenc had been one disaster after another. The Continental Army had been defeated. Philadelphia had fallen. New York had fallen. Georgia had fallen. Charleston had fallen. Saratoga had fallen. The French, the Dutch, the Spaniards, everyone they talked to refused to help. And Jefferson couldn't help but fell it was all his fault. He had been independence's most ardent supporter before the shots were fired. He had been the one who wrote the Declaration of Independence, despite his belief that Adams would have made a better author. He had been the one to suggest that a Virginian should lead the Continental Army, as a show of solidarity amognst the thirteen colonies, passing over many more qualified New Englanders, and though that gained them Boston, it had cost them virtually everything else.

His mulling was interrupted by one of his slaves running up to him. "Master, there is a group of men hear asking for you." Jefferson sighed and moved toward his front door. His suspiscions were confirmed when he saw the platoon of soldiers standing on his lawn, all of them dressed impecably in red uniforms.

"Mister Jefferson?", the officer in charge of the platoon asked. "I am he."

"You are the man who wrote the so called Declaration of Independence?" "I am the man who wrote the Statute of Virignia for Religous Freedom." Jeffferson replied smugly. "Mister Jefferson, that does not answer my question." "Yes, I wrote the Declaration."

"Mister Jefferson, I have a warrant for your arrest personally signed by General Clinton for treason against His Royal Highness George III. I advise that you do not resist. We have already arrested Misters Paine, Rush, Henry, Livingston, and Chase. John Dickinson has agreed to defect.[1] Your cause is lost Jefferson. It's over." Jefferson mentally made a map in his head. If the officer was telling the truth - and he didn't appear to be bluffing - then the Britsh had occupied Maryland and Delaware and crossed the Potomac. Jefferson looked at the platoon. If he resisted, then they would most certainly use force to bring him in. He would die, Martha and the girls would likely die, the estate and all his works would burn ...

"I'll come quietly."




[1] The men the officer is talking about are Thomas Paine, Benjamin Rush, Patrick Henry, Robert Livingstone, and Samuel Chase. John Dickinson was the only Congressman who voted against independence
 
Well, here is Part 6. Sorry it took so long, but this was my first real narrative, and I find it difficult to write people actually talking. I'm taking a creative writng course when college starts up agian, but untill then I 'm sticking with descriptions and book excerpts.

Anyway, please rate and review
 

Dom

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Very good. I believe with the obvious successes of the Green Mountain boys more groups will begin to emulate them, to help stem the tide of the British War Machine.
 
Great stuff there. I wish I could write narratives that well.

Will we be seeing Ben Franklin and Thomas Brown in another installment?
 
I wouldn't worry about writing narritives if you're finding it too time consuming. You can always go back and add them later.

Still enjoying this TL
 
Very good. I believe with the obvious successes of the Green Mountain boys more groups will begin to emulate them, to help stem the tide of the British War Machine.
Well, I still have to post the result of Alt-Camden.
Great stuff there. I wish I could write narratives that well.

Will we be seeing Ben Franklin and Thomas Brown in another installment?
Thank you. Personally, I found it hard to write a narrative, so don't expect to see them oftenfor now, though I'm taking a course in college to help with that. As for Franklin and Brown, they will be mentioned in the next update.
I wouldn't worry about writing narritives if you're finding it too time consuming. You can always go back and add them later.

Still enjoying this TL
Thanks.

The next update will be sometime this week, and will detail Wayne's South Carolina-Georgia campaign, as well as explain what happened to John Paul Jones.

One final item - I had Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Rush, and Patrick Henry arrested and no one cares:eek:!?
 
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