The Twin Vipers: A TL of the Berlin-Moscow Axis
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I guess that if the USSR collapses, there will be an explosion of ethnic conflict. Ukrainians vs. Poles over Lvov, Poles vs. Lithuanians over Vilnius, Armenians vs. Azeris over Nagorno Karabakh, Russians vs. Chechens...
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Perhaps, unless Patton, Marshall, Dulles, or some other foreign policy guy can keep order and get the sides together for some kind of deal.
Considering these people might be grateful to America for destroying Stalinism-and giving them aid-they'll likely pay attention.
Truman can kill the monarchy idea with the stroke of a pen if he so chooses. Not to mention that the NWC was set up with the understanding that it would result in a republic, and Maklakov is far from a monarchist.
Whether a Romanov gets invited back after everything has calmed down in Russia... I won't say anything about that yet.
Speeches help (MacArthur, despite being retired, has helped sell war bonds ITTL). If I listed every major White figure that was alive in 1945, that paragraph would have been three times as long though.
Basically every White leader not in a gulag has somehow given support for the NWC.
The Doom Turtle is pretty much a turretless Maus, too slow to do much (and Patton doesn't like slow). And it doesn't matter how much armour you have - charging into a swarm of 128s and 152s is going to be a bad idea. Better to smash the Molotov Line with tallboys and grand slams, then go in with the tanks to clear up what's left.
That's how the convention works, T for prototypes and M for production designs (so the Sherman at one point was the T4).
Not sure I really want to comment on thatLol, wait are you calling me and BiteNibbleChomp pornographers?
I've been thinking about that, but really only 5 people have any say in the matter. Truman, Churchill, Daladier, Mussolini and Saito.
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Would the Allies start trying to send agents (OSS/MI6) through Iran, Manchuria and other places to arrange supply drops and contacts for the various ethnic groups/separatist organizations?
Will the Allies try to curb some of the excesses of the Fascist regimes (Spain, Italy, Portugal) in return for aid/trade?
What about the various Communist/Socialist movements in the west? Have they been arrested or did they go away from the Moscow line?
Will the Allies try to curb some of the excesses of the Fascist regimes (Spain, Italy, Portugal) in return for aid/trade?
What about the various Communist/Socialist movements in the west? Have they been arrested or did they go away from the Moscow line?
Iran and the populated part of Manchuria have been liberated for quite some time now. When they were occupied, the NKVD was pretty ruthless in hunting down partisans, but sabotage and the like still occurred. Not a lot of room for special agents to be sent in though.
There has been a bit of encouragement from the Allies, but mostly they turned a blind eye. A couple of million soldiers on the front are much more important than a few internment camps.
Depends on each individual movement. A fairly moderate leftist organisation, eg. a Labour Party, is still accepted by the populace (although the wording of their slogans may have changed to make them seem less radical). Hard-core communist organisations, eg. Communist Party USA, have mostly been banned by the government and their leaders imprisoned (Earl Browder won't be coming out for a long, long time).
Norway and Finland are entirely occupied by the Red Army. Sweden watches while silently hoping that the Allies win and restore free trade.
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What about anti-Stalinist Communists (I'm looking at you, Trotskyists, Council Communists, and the like)?
A "communist" organisation that is giving full support to the war effort would be acceptable, although under pressure to reorient its message (and probably name too) to distance itself from Moscow's ideals.
However, the name "communist" in itself is going to cause concern for some people, and most average people wouldn't know the difference between Trotsky and Stalin. Most of these parties would see a significant drop in membership, and would be forced to drop the hammer and sickle image. But if a party was called something like 'Socialist Union Party' and was preaching messages like "for labour and country", they would have no legal issues.
And of course, it depends on the country in question - Mussolini will be a lot less lenient on anything remotely "communist" than the USA would be.
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I mean look Saudi Arabia, or Pinochet, or he'll OTLs Franco and Salazar. When oil is involved (Libya) or national security all bets are off.
7/45-8/45
Patton Drives East, July 1945
Even after suffering an aerial assault, the Molotov Line remained powerful. Unwilling to waste any more time before invading the USSR, Patton asked for, and was granted, permission to launch a ground assault. Backed up by nearly 250 ‘Black Dragon’ 240mm artillery pieces, Patton launched his attack near Bialystok on July 3rd. British Tortoise and US MacArthur tanks proved their value against the many concrete emplacements on the Molotov Line, while “Ugly Joe” minesweeper Shermans cleared paths for the infantry. It took three days and several thousand men, but eventually the Molotov Line was breached.
General Bagramyan knew that any major Allied breakthrough of the Molotov Line could spell disaster for the USSR. Moscow was just out of Allied bombing range, but the airfields at Bialystok or Minsk would likely allow B-29s to rain death upon the Soviet capital. More importantly, most of the USSR’s synthetic oil plants, many of them moved out of Germany whole, were located in or near Moscow. With Maikop, Grozny and Baku still in flames, synthetic oil was a vital ingredient in the Soviet war machine, now more than ever. The risk was too great. The Allies needed to be stopped here.
Bagramyan could call upon a sizeable reserve, with around 10,000 tanks, including 1000 Wolves, considered by both sides to be the best tank of the war. As the other parts of the front seemed quiet, he decided to send half of his reserves to battle Patton, leaving the rest available to counter any further Allied moves. Patton, in usual fashion, had rushed forward to seize Bialystok the moment it seemed possible, and was surprised by the swift Soviet counterstroke. The Americans were forced to retreat, but as more British and American soldiers poured through the gap in the Molotov Line (which at this point extended from the Masurian Lakes to somewhere just north of Brest-Litovsk), the Red Army’s assault was blunted. The bombers were called in once more, while the British surged north to cut off the forces still manning the Molotov Line in Lithuania. The battle of Bialystok would rage for five weeks, as the Red Army desperately fought to throw the Allies out.
The Sun Has Risen, July 1945
With the harsh Siberian winter now past, the Japanese Army was tasked with establishing Japan’s new frontier at the Amur river. Much of the area was unpopulated, and Japanese focus was along the Trans-Siberian Railroad, which for all intents and purposes ended at Khabarovsk. Stalin had finally sent some reinforcements to the Far East (despite the European Fronts needing them more than ever), hoping that Khabarovsk, which was just east of the Amur, could be kept out of Japanese hands.
On the route to Khabarovsk, the Japanese found several gulags, housing everything from prisoners of war (neither Japan nor the USSR had signed the Geneva Convention, and prisoners on the Far Eastern Front were often poorly treated), to former Red Army men deemed to be disloyal or simply not communist enough for Stalin’s liking. Of particular interest to the Allies were the large numbers of former White soldiers, who Japan sent to the United States so that they could be a part of the New White Coalition if they so chose.
The gulags captured, Khabarovsk was made once again the primary target, and by July the Japanese had reached the Soviet lines south and east of the city. Japan, for the first time in the war, finally looked to have a decisive advantage over the Soviets – not only did their local forces outnumber the entire Soviet Far East Front’s command, but the VVS barely had a presence anywhere within a thousand kilometres of Khabarovsk. Japan meanwhile was license building P-80 Shooting Stars as the J3L in Mitsubishi’s factories, giving Japan access to the best in Allied fighter technology. The forces opposing the Japanese were mostly made up of Ukrainian conscripts who had little stomach for the war, and many surrendered the first chance they got (while the Japanese had been asked to send any captured Ukrainians to the USA, where they would be offered a chance to fight under Bandera for a free Ukraine). Khabarovsk was taken on August 5th, and all Soviet territory south of the Amur was annexed to Japan as the IJA fortified the south bank of the river. The war in the Far East was effectively over.
The Bug to the Baltic, August 1945
As July turned to August, the Allies managed another pair of breakthroughs of the Molotov Line. The Italians, with the backing of a fanatic Ukrainian nationalist corps (comprised of former POWs) under the command of Stepan Bandera, was eager to enter the Ukraine, and the capture of Iasi in Bessarabia finally made that a possibility. Then the Spanish, with the help of the Gustav and Dora railroad guns (which had once been under German command), managed to destroy the great fortress at Brest-Litovsk, threatening Bagramyan’s southern flank while he continued to battle Patton for control of Bialystok.
With the Soviet reserve worn from a month of heavy combat and now forced to cover three breakthroughs at once, Bagramyan was forced to retreat from Bialystok. Patton was quick to seize the initiative, sending in Ridgway’s 4th American Army to help the Spanish annihilate Bagramyan’s army, while the rest of the US Army was turned into a massive striking column, which began a relentless drive towards Moscow, taking Minsk towards the end of the month and Smolensk in mid September, prompting Stalin to call upon Russian patriotism in a desperate attempt to boost morale and throw the invaders out.
Further north, the British were battling the Red Army for control of Riga. The Molotov Line by now well behind them, the Red Army’s presence in the north was all but finished, and grateful Lithuanians and Latvians came out of their homes offering food and flowers to the soldiers that had come to liberate them from Stalin’s tyranny. The British, unlike the Soviets, proved generous occupiers, quickly winning over the support of the locals, and the Estonian populace began wresting control of their country from the Red Army garrison before the British forces were even ready to link up with them. Riga was taken on September 2nd, allowing O’Connor and Alexander to drive towards the birthplace of the communist movement: Leningrad.
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Even after suffering an aerial assault, the Molotov Line remained powerful. Unwilling to waste any more time before invading the USSR, Patton asked for, and was granted, permission to launch a ground assault. Backed up by nearly 250 ‘Black Dragon’ 240mm artillery pieces, Patton launched his attack near Bialystok on July 3rd. British Tortoise and US MacArthur tanks proved their value against the many concrete emplacements on the Molotov Line, while “Ugly Joe” minesweeper Shermans cleared paths for the infantry. It took three days and several thousand men, but eventually the Molotov Line was breached.
General Bagramyan knew that any major Allied breakthrough of the Molotov Line could spell disaster for the USSR. Moscow was just out of Allied bombing range, but the airfields at Bialystok or Minsk would likely allow B-29s to rain death upon the Soviet capital. More importantly, most of the USSR’s synthetic oil plants, many of them moved out of Germany whole, were located in or near Moscow. With Maikop, Grozny and Baku still in flames, synthetic oil was a vital ingredient in the Soviet war machine, now more than ever. The risk was too great. The Allies needed to be stopped here.
Bagramyan could call upon a sizeable reserve, with around 10,000 tanks, including 1000 Wolves, considered by both sides to be the best tank of the war. As the other parts of the front seemed quiet, he decided to send half of his reserves to battle Patton, leaving the rest available to counter any further Allied moves. Patton, in usual fashion, had rushed forward to seize Bialystok the moment it seemed possible, and was surprised by the swift Soviet counterstroke. The Americans were forced to retreat, but as more British and American soldiers poured through the gap in the Molotov Line (which at this point extended from the Masurian Lakes to somewhere just north of Brest-Litovsk), the Red Army’s assault was blunted. The bombers were called in once more, while the British surged north to cut off the forces still manning the Molotov Line in Lithuania. The battle of Bialystok would rage for five weeks, as the Red Army desperately fought to throw the Allies out.
The Sun Has Risen, July 1945
With the harsh Siberian winter now past, the Japanese Army was tasked with establishing Japan’s new frontier at the Amur river. Much of the area was unpopulated, and Japanese focus was along the Trans-Siberian Railroad, which for all intents and purposes ended at Khabarovsk. Stalin had finally sent some reinforcements to the Far East (despite the European Fronts needing them more than ever), hoping that Khabarovsk, which was just east of the Amur, could be kept out of Japanese hands.
On the route to Khabarovsk, the Japanese found several gulags, housing everything from prisoners of war (neither Japan nor the USSR had signed the Geneva Convention, and prisoners on the Far Eastern Front were often poorly treated), to former Red Army men deemed to be disloyal or simply not communist enough for Stalin’s liking. Of particular interest to the Allies were the large numbers of former White soldiers, who Japan sent to the United States so that they could be a part of the New White Coalition if they so chose.
The gulags captured, Khabarovsk was made once again the primary target, and by July the Japanese had reached the Soviet lines south and east of the city. Japan, for the first time in the war, finally looked to have a decisive advantage over the Soviets – not only did their local forces outnumber the entire Soviet Far East Front’s command, but the VVS barely had a presence anywhere within a thousand kilometres of Khabarovsk. Japan meanwhile was license building P-80 Shooting Stars as the J3L in Mitsubishi’s factories, giving Japan access to the best in Allied fighter technology. The forces opposing the Japanese were mostly made up of Ukrainian conscripts who had little stomach for the war, and many surrendered the first chance they got (while the Japanese had been asked to send any captured Ukrainians to the USA, where they would be offered a chance to fight under Bandera for a free Ukraine). Khabarovsk was taken on August 5th, and all Soviet territory south of the Amur was annexed to Japan as the IJA fortified the south bank of the river. The war in the Far East was effectively over.
The Bug to the Baltic, August 1945
As July turned to August, the Allies managed another pair of breakthroughs of the Molotov Line. The Italians, with the backing of a fanatic Ukrainian nationalist corps (comprised of former POWs) under the command of Stepan Bandera, was eager to enter the Ukraine, and the capture of Iasi in Bessarabia finally made that a possibility. Then the Spanish, with the help of the Gustav and Dora railroad guns (which had once been under German command), managed to destroy the great fortress at Brest-Litovsk, threatening Bagramyan’s southern flank while he continued to battle Patton for control of Bialystok.
With the Soviet reserve worn from a month of heavy combat and now forced to cover three breakthroughs at once, Bagramyan was forced to retreat from Bialystok. Patton was quick to seize the initiative, sending in Ridgway’s 4th American Army to help the Spanish annihilate Bagramyan’s army, while the rest of the US Army was turned into a massive striking column, which began a relentless drive towards Moscow, taking Minsk towards the end of the month and Smolensk in mid September, prompting Stalin to call upon Russian patriotism in a desperate attempt to boost morale and throw the invaders out.
Further north, the British were battling the Red Army for control of Riga. The Molotov Line by now well behind them, the Red Army’s presence in the north was all but finished, and grateful Lithuanians and Latvians came out of their homes offering food and flowers to the soldiers that had come to liberate them from Stalin’s tyranny. The British, unlike the Soviets, proved generous occupiers, quickly winning over the support of the locals, and the Estonian populace began wresting control of their country from the Red Army garrison before the British forces were even ready to link up with them. Riga was taken on September 2nd, allowing O’Connor and Alexander to drive towards the birthplace of the communist movement: Leningrad.
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The death bells of the USSR have started ringing.
Although, how goes the war in the Caucasus?
Although, how goes the war in the Caucasus?
The front lines are in the mountains of Eastern Turkey and Northern Iran. With the Caucasus oil fields bombed to near worthlessness, there's no reason to push forward and pushing forward would be much too costly to justify.
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9/45-10/45
The Glory of Ukraine Shall Not Perish, September 1945
While Patton tied down the best of the Red Army’s reserves near Smolensk, the Italians and Spanish had broken through the Molotov Line further south. As had been the case in the north, their first priority was to destroy the experienced veteran forces that manned the line of fortifications, a job that was mostly complete by early September after a series of encirclements near Chisinau, Lwow and Tarnopol, for which Stalin had General Konev shot.
Having broken the Southwestern Front’s capability to resist in force, the Italian and Spanish forces swarmed through the western Ukraine, where they were greeted as liberators in much the same way as the British were further north. Stepan Bandera, as well as commander of the I Free Ukrainian Corps, also had connections to the Ukrainian resistance movement, and as their fighters were freed by the Allied march east, thousands flocked to Bandera’s blue and yellow banner.
The capture of Kiev on September 20th, 1945, was to become the most important event in modern Ukraine’s history. Before fighting on the eastern outskirts of the city had even finished, Bandera had begun a great parade of Ukrainian soldiers through the city, which culminated in Bandera declaring Ukraine an independent state for the first time since the Russian Civil War. The new Ukraine was to become an Italian-style dictatorship under Bandera’s leadership, but compared to Stalin, millions of Ukrainians were ready to fight for independence.
Outside of the Ukraine, Bandera’s actions had a drastic effect on the Red Army. Not only did much of the Ukraine east of the Dnepr river erupt into open revolt against the communists, including the vital industrial regions near Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, but any unit containing Ukrainian conscripts was now considered suspicious by the NKVD as desertions increased multifold overnight, and Ukrainian officers were purged. Stalin’s calls for more soldiers to oppose the Allies had led to a surge in conscription during September, but no more Ukrainians would be dragged into the Red Army (although volunteers were still accepted).
For Stalin and Motherland, October 1945
Until the end of September, Patton had looked to be well on his way to marching into Moscow almost unopposed. The US Army had soldiers in Vyazma and Bryansk, and were readying for the final push. While the first of Stalin’s new conscripts had been building a new set of fortifications in front of Mozhaysk, Patton was mostly dismissive of their abilities: a major oil crisis had begun within the USSR, limiting the mobility of their tanks and grounding most of the VVS, while the new forts could only be puny next to the once-mighty Molotov Line.
As the first snows fell on October 4th, Patton was forced to halt. The snow had melted very quickly, turning many of the Soviet roads, which ranged from reasonably large dirt roads to goat tracks, into a quagmire of mud. The logistic train that supported Patton’s soldiers relied heavily on trucks (a railroad using the European gauge only existed as far as Orsha), which bogged down as the ‘rasputitsa’ season arrived. Stalin’s new soldiers, given no breaks by Patton or the Allies, had received some vital help from the affectionately known Comrade Mud.
In addition to their harsh autumn weather, the Soviets had another weapon for which the Allies were unprepared: the MiG-11 jet fighter. Based off the Me/MiG-262 design, the MiG-11 used a much greater wing sweep angle, as well as a vastly improved turbojet engine in order to create the best fighter aircraft of World War II. With a top speed over 1000 km/h and armed with a 37mm cannon and two 23mm guns, the MiG-11 was capable of smashing any Allied aircraft up to 50,000 feet and could put even the mighty P-80 to shame. In order to distinguish it from the MiG-262, Allied pilots took to calling it the ‘Khrushchev’ after the NKVD boss, although a lack of oil would mean that the design would only rarely have the chance to show its true potential. At Stalin’s orders, all MiG-11s were to be used in the defence of Moscow, allowing the Soviets to at least partially regain control of the airspace above their capital.
The ‘Conquistador’ Test, October 1945
After suffering some delays in 1944, the Tube Alloys Project managed to produce the world’s first nuclear bomb by early October 1945. A test was conducted in New Mexico, where the plutonium-based implosion device ‘Freedom’ was detonated on October 23rd, giving a yield of nearly 90 terajoules of energy, the equivalent of around 21 kilotons of TNT.
Despite Stalin’s refusal to surrender thus far, Truman was hesitant about using the nuclear bomb on the USSR. The MiG-11 ‘Khrushchev’, more than any other Soviet fighter, was more than capable of shooting down a B-29, and the rest of the Red Air Force was still a powerful foe, although one that spent a lot of time on the ground. Moreover, Leningrad was almost in British hands and Kharkov was being taken over by Ukrainian nationalists, leaving only the heavily protected Moscow as a potential major target. Kuybyshev, the next best target, would not be able to be targeted until Moscow was in Allied hands.
There was also a reasonable risk of retaliation by the Red Army if the USSR did not capitulate immediately following the bombing. Stalin was known to possess a considerable stockpile of chemical weapons, including much of the old German stockpile, and had captured some primitive biological weapons from the Japanese in 1940 (Unit 731 and others were never revived once Japan regained the upper hand in the Far East). Although both the Allies and Soviets had been obeying the Geneva Convention’s rules in Europe, the USSR had never signed the convention, and the use of a nuclear weapon would provide him with a good excuse to begin ignoring it.
Truman, after much consideration with his staff and with Winston Churchill, decided to send the next four nuclear weapons to Europe in case the situation became such as to warrant their use, while any further bombs would be kept in America for the time being. Patton however was not given direct access to the bombs, which remained only for use with direct Presidential authority.
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While Patton tied down the best of the Red Army’s reserves near Smolensk, the Italians and Spanish had broken through the Molotov Line further south. As had been the case in the north, their first priority was to destroy the experienced veteran forces that manned the line of fortifications, a job that was mostly complete by early September after a series of encirclements near Chisinau, Lwow and Tarnopol, for which Stalin had General Konev shot.
Having broken the Southwestern Front’s capability to resist in force, the Italian and Spanish forces swarmed through the western Ukraine, where they were greeted as liberators in much the same way as the British were further north. Stepan Bandera, as well as commander of the I Free Ukrainian Corps, also had connections to the Ukrainian resistance movement, and as their fighters were freed by the Allied march east, thousands flocked to Bandera’s blue and yellow banner.
The capture of Kiev on September 20th, 1945, was to become the most important event in modern Ukraine’s history. Before fighting on the eastern outskirts of the city had even finished, Bandera had begun a great parade of Ukrainian soldiers through the city, which culminated in Bandera declaring Ukraine an independent state for the first time since the Russian Civil War. The new Ukraine was to become an Italian-style dictatorship under Bandera’s leadership, but compared to Stalin, millions of Ukrainians were ready to fight for independence.
Outside of the Ukraine, Bandera’s actions had a drastic effect on the Red Army. Not only did much of the Ukraine east of the Dnepr river erupt into open revolt against the communists, including the vital industrial regions near Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, but any unit containing Ukrainian conscripts was now considered suspicious by the NKVD as desertions increased multifold overnight, and Ukrainian officers were purged. Stalin’s calls for more soldiers to oppose the Allies had led to a surge in conscription during September, but no more Ukrainians would be dragged into the Red Army (although volunteers were still accepted).
For Stalin and Motherland, October 1945
Until the end of September, Patton had looked to be well on his way to marching into Moscow almost unopposed. The US Army had soldiers in Vyazma and Bryansk, and were readying for the final push. While the first of Stalin’s new conscripts had been building a new set of fortifications in front of Mozhaysk, Patton was mostly dismissive of their abilities: a major oil crisis had begun within the USSR, limiting the mobility of their tanks and grounding most of the VVS, while the new forts could only be puny next to the once-mighty Molotov Line.
As the first snows fell on October 4th, Patton was forced to halt. The snow had melted very quickly, turning many of the Soviet roads, which ranged from reasonably large dirt roads to goat tracks, into a quagmire of mud. The logistic train that supported Patton’s soldiers relied heavily on trucks (a railroad using the European gauge only existed as far as Orsha), which bogged down as the ‘rasputitsa’ season arrived. Stalin’s new soldiers, given no breaks by Patton or the Allies, had received some vital help from the affectionately known Comrade Mud.
In addition to their harsh autumn weather, the Soviets had another weapon for which the Allies were unprepared: the MiG-11 jet fighter. Based off the Me/MiG-262 design, the MiG-11 used a much greater wing sweep angle, as well as a vastly improved turbojet engine in order to create the best fighter aircraft of World War II. With a top speed over 1000 km/h and armed with a 37mm cannon and two 23mm guns, the MiG-11 was capable of smashing any Allied aircraft up to 50,000 feet and could put even the mighty P-80 to shame. In order to distinguish it from the MiG-262, Allied pilots took to calling it the ‘Khrushchev’ after the NKVD boss, although a lack of oil would mean that the design would only rarely have the chance to show its true potential. At Stalin’s orders, all MiG-11s were to be used in the defence of Moscow, allowing the Soviets to at least partially regain control of the airspace above their capital.
The ‘Conquistador’ Test, October 1945
After suffering some delays in 1944, the Tube Alloys Project managed to produce the world’s first nuclear bomb by early October 1945. A test was conducted in New Mexico, where the plutonium-based implosion device ‘Freedom’ was detonated on October 23rd, giving a yield of nearly 90 terajoules of energy, the equivalent of around 21 kilotons of TNT.
Despite Stalin’s refusal to surrender thus far, Truman was hesitant about using the nuclear bomb on the USSR. The MiG-11 ‘Khrushchev’, more than any other Soviet fighter, was more than capable of shooting down a B-29, and the rest of the Red Air Force was still a powerful foe, although one that spent a lot of time on the ground. Moreover, Leningrad was almost in British hands and Kharkov was being taken over by Ukrainian nationalists, leaving only the heavily protected Moscow as a potential major target. Kuybyshev, the next best target, would not be able to be targeted until Moscow was in Allied hands.
There was also a reasonable risk of retaliation by the Red Army if the USSR did not capitulate immediately following the bombing. Stalin was known to possess a considerable stockpile of chemical weapons, including much of the old German stockpile, and had captured some primitive biological weapons from the Japanese in 1940 (Unit 731 and others were never revived once Japan regained the upper hand in the Far East). Although both the Allies and Soviets had been obeying the Geneva Convention’s rules in Europe, the USSR had never signed the convention, and the use of a nuclear weapon would provide him with a good excuse to begin ignoring it.
Truman, after much consideration with his staff and with Winston Churchill, decided to send the next four nuclear weapons to Europe in case the situation became such as to warrant their use, while any further bombs would be kept in America for the time being. Patton however was not given direct access to the bombs, which remained only for use with direct Presidential authority.
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Okay, so what is the MiG-11 based off on? An earlier version of Mig-15?
Edit: Also, the Allies should have the Meteor, P-80 and Vampire right?
Edit: Also, the Allies should have the Meteor, P-80 and Vampire right?
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