The Twin Vipers: A TL of the Berlin-Moscow Axis

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Even the Dead Can Strike Back, September 1944

As the German war effort collapsed towards the end of 1943, the Luftwaffe left behind prototypes and design work on a jet-powered bomber known then as the Arado Ar 234A. Able to fly faster than any Allied fighter (at least until the Gloster Meteor’s introduction in late 1944), the design would be almost impossible to intercept, while equipping it with drop tanks would give it a range of just over 2000 km, placing much of Europe within bombing range for the first time since Germany’s defeat.

When Germany fell, Stalin had the NKVD and the VVS seize as much of the Luftwaffe’s research and development as could be obtained, and bring it into the USSR (while advanced designs that could not be saved, such as the little-known ‘Komet’ interceptor, were destroyed). The Ar 234 was handed over to Ilyushin, where after slight modifications (especially the conversion of armaments to similar Soviet standards), it entered production as the Il-14.

The first use of the Il-14 in combat was as part of an old German plan to strike at the British east coast from southern Norway, which had been shelved owing to a lack of long-range escort fighters. 40 Il-14s took part in a bombing raid aimed at the port of Hull, hoping to impair British attempts to supply their forces on the continent. Two bombers were lost to engine failures and a third shot down by British anti-air, and only minor damage was inflicted on the port, but the Il-14 proved itself as a fearsome bomber. Three more raids would be launched against the British coast before the British assembled enough defences for unescorted bombing raids to be considered too risky by Stalin.

A Permanent Intervention, October 1944

Under siege from all sides, the defenders of Vladivostock were demoralised and led by an incompetent general. Many of the soldiers in the city were conscripts who cared little for the communist cause, and although formidable fortifications to the north of the city would make a direct Japanese assault extremely costly, the siege meant that the battle of Vladivostock did not have to be decided by force of arms.

Ever since the beginning of war in 1939, the Japanese Navy had blockaded every Soviet Pacific port. What few ships the Red Fleet could call on in the Far East were quickly destroyed, and Soviet civilian craft, in particular fishing trawlers, were targeted in their place. Before the war, Vladivostock’s economy had been heavily based off a thriving fishing industry, and grain had had to be imported from other parts of the USSR in order to feed the 200,000 inhabitants of the city. The immense strain placed on the Trans-Siberian Railroad by the demands of the Far Eastern Front had meant that only the barest minimum of food supplies reached the city, and with the Japanese Army encamped where the tracks had once stood, the city began to starve.

After six weeks under siege, and with no reinforcements on their way from Moscow, Budyonny and the twelve divisions tied up in Vladivostock surrendered. The Japanese occupation that followed quickly proved that despite all of the new government’s efforts to purge fanatics and extremists from the Army, many of the old ways still remained. The Soviets forces that were taken prisoner were widely considered to have dishonoured themselves, receiving harsh treatment in camps similar to the nearby gulags, while fires and looting broke out in the captured city. President Roosevelt sent a strongly worded letter to the Japanese, which prompted Prime Minister Saito to order the commanders responsible for the incident to be stripped of their rank.

A Change In Leadership, November 1944

As the next presidential election approached, Franklin Roosevelt’s health was visibly fading, and in early June 1944 the President announced that he would not be seeking a fourth term in office. During the Democratic National Convention, it was decided that Senator Harry Truman (who would have been Roosevelt’s running mate) would be the new Democratic presidential candidate, with Senator John Bankhead as his running mate. Vice President Henry Wallace campaigned to be both a presidential and vice-presidential candidate, but his support for peace with the USSR had made him unpopular during Roosevelt’s third term, with some going so far as to suggest he was a communist sympathiser.

With a public endorsement from a popular president, Truman’s victory at the polls was never in doubt. Most Americans were convinced that the war would be best won with minimal disruption caused by a change in leadership, and with victory over the USSR still a distant prospect, the public wanted to give the war effort all the help it could get.

Truman’s election marked a shift in strategic thinking among the US High Command. Roosevelt’s policy towards the USSR had been one of ending the war as quickly as possible on favourable terms, thinking that careful diplomacy would be enough to turn Stalin away from the policies of aggression that he had pursued since 1939. Truman, as early as 1941, had described Stalin as “a brute” and “someone who only understands the diplomacy of a long, hard stick”. As long as the Allies were willing and capable of continuing the fight, Truman was determined to make sure not only that Stalin lost the war, but that he damn well knew that he had lost too.

- BNC
 
Even the Dead Can Strike Back, September 1944

As the German war effort collapsed towards the end of 1943, the Luftwaffe left behind prototypes and design work on a jet-powered bomber known then as the Arado Ar 234A. Able to fly faster than any Allied fighter (at least until the Gloster Meteor’s introduction in late 1944), the design would be almost impossible to intercept, while equipping it with drop tanks would give it a range of just over 2000 km, placing much of Europe within bombing range for the first time since Germany’s defeat.

When Germany fell, Stalin had the NKVD and the VVS seize as much of the Luftwaffe’s research and development as could be obtained, and bring it into the USSR (while advanced designs that could not be saved, such as the little-known ‘Komet’ interceptor, were destroyed). The Ar 234 was handed over to Ilyushin, where after slight modifications (especially the conversion of armaments to similar Soviet standards), it entered production as the Il-14.

The first use of the Il-14 in combat was as part of an old German plan to strike at the British east coast from southern Norway, which had been shelved owing to a lack of long-range escort fighters. 40 Il-14s took part in a bombing raid aimed at the port of Hull, hoping to impair British attempts to supply their forces on the continent. Two bombers were lost to engine failures and a third shot down by British anti-air, and only minor damage was inflicted on the port, but the Il-14 proved itself as a fearsome bomber. Three more raids would be launched against the British coast before the British assembled enough defences for unescorted bombing raids to be considered too risky by Stalin.

So is Stalin also providing asylum to Nazi scientists and war criminals, and sending them to sharashkas ?

Lenin would turn over in his grave, his successor welcoming the fascists into his door.

A Permanent Intervention, October 1944

Under siege from all sides, the defenders of Vladivostock were demoralised and led by an incompetent general. Many of the soldiers in the city were conscripts who cared little for the communist cause, and although formidable fortifications to the north of the city would make a direct Japanese assault extremely costly, the siege meant that the battle of Vladivostock did not have to be decided by force of arms.

Ever since the beginning of war in 1939, the Japanese Navy had blockaded every Soviet Pacific port. What few ships the Red Fleet could call on in the Far East were quickly destroyed, and Soviet civilian craft, in particular fishing trawlers, were targeted in their place. Before the war, Vladivostock’s economy had been heavily based off a thriving fishing industry, and grain had had to be imported from other parts of the USSR in order to feed the 200,000 inhabitants of the city. The immense strain placed on the Trans-Siberian Railroad by the demands of the Far Eastern Front had meant that only the barest minimum of food supplies reached the city, and with the Japanese Army encamped where the tracks had once stood, the city began to starve.

After six weeks under siege, and with no reinforcements on their way from Moscow, Budyonny and the twelve divisions tied up in Vladivostock surrendered. The Japanese occupation that followed quickly proved that despite all of the new government’s efforts to purge fanatics and extremists from the Army, many of the old ways still remained. The Soviets forces that were taken prisoner were widely considered to have dishonoured themselves, receiving harsh treatment in camps similar to the nearby gulags, while fires and looting broke out in the captured city. President Roosevelt sent a strongly worded letter to the Japanese, which prompted Prime Minister Saito to order the commanders responsible for the incident to be stripped of their rank.

Why are the Japanese ITTL more willing to be less Nanking, and more willing to work with Roosevelt.

A Change In Leadership, November 1944

As the next presidential election approached, Franklin Roosevelt’s health was visibly fading, and in early June 1944 the President announced that he would not be seeking a fourth term in office. During the Democratic National Convention, it was decided that Senator Harry Truman (who would have been Roosevelt’s running mate) would be the new Democratic presidential candidate, with Senator John Bankhead as his running mate. Vice President Henry Wallace campaigned to be both a presidential and vice-presidential candidate, but his support for peace with the USSR had made him unpopular during Roosevelt’s third term, with some going so far as to suggest he was a communist sympathiser.

With a public endorsement from a popular president, Truman’s victory at the polls was never in doubt. Most Americans were convinced that the war would be best won with minimal disruption caused by a change in leadership, and with victory over the USSR still a distant prospect, the public wanted to give the war effort all the help it could get.

Truman’s election marked a shift in strategic thinking among the US High Command. Roosevelt’s policy towards the USSR had been one of ending the war as quickly as possible on favourable terms, thinking that careful diplomacy would be enough to turn Stalin away from the policies of aggression that he had pursued since 1939. Truman, as early as 1941, had described Stalin as “a brute” and “someone who only understands the diplomacy of a long, hard stick”. As long as the Allies were willing and capable of continuing the fight, Truman was determined to make sure not only that Stalin lost the war, but that he damn well knew that he had lost too.

I do have to agree with Truman here... Stalin’s USSR needs to have a good hard blow dealt it before there can be any end of the war.


I can think of no man who is a better opponent of J. Stalin then Harry Truman. Truman was a stern, plain-spoken man who would not be deluded by the ideological lunacy of J. Stalin.
 
Why are the Japanese ITTL more willing to be less Nanking, and more willing to work with Roosevelt.

They in desperate need friends when the Soviet attacked. They joined the Allies, fought in western front and changed back to Democracy just to have America, Britain support. I don’t think they less “Naking”, they just control their behavior better in latter war to not lose these support.
 
So is Stalin also providing asylum to Nazi scientists and war criminals, and sending them to sharashkas ?

Lenin would turn over in his grave, his successor welcoming the fascists into his door.
Halder, Goring, Model, some of their staffs and as many research documents as could be quickly taken out of Germany. Stalin's main incentive is to give him the power to rule what parts of Germany his forces occupy (all in the name of Comrade Halder of course)

Would not be the first time that Stalin upset Lenin's ghost.

Why are the Japanese ITTL more willing to be less Nanking, and more willing to work with Roosevelt.
@Anhtuan explained it pretty well, but I'll also add that a lot of the crazed militarists that were in power in 1939 were pretty badly disgraced and dishonoured after they got kicked out of China and Manchuria - reformers in the Army can look to the successful British (who stopped the Germans in France) rather the ways of the army that got beaten in China.

Also, Japan and the US never had any major reason to hate each other ITTL - no Indochina occupation, no embargo, a much reduced war in China after 1939.

- BNC
 
Why are the Japanese ITTL more willing to be less Nanking, and more willing to work with Roosevelt.

...but I'll also add that a lot of the crazed militarists that were in power in 1939 were pretty badly disgraced and dishonoured after they got kicked out of China and Manchuria - reformers in the Army can look to the successful British (who stopped the Germans in France) rather the ways of the army that got beaten in China.

Yeah - I can see the hard militarists being derided as 'the people who nearly lost us the war that they started'. Whereas civilian government and more moderate Admirals and Generals have turned things around. It's easy to see which way the Japanese will lean in future...

I can think of no man who is a better opponent of J. Stalin then Harry Truman. Truman was a stern, plain-spoken man who would not be deluded by the ideological lunacy of J. Stalin.

No arguments from me there...
 
Really? Man, if alternate history taught me anything, its that international relations are really, really fluid.

As of 1944, what do the US and Japan have as a reason to still be angry at each other for? Most of their rivalry IOTL stemmed from the conflict with China, a conflict which is now three years past and has been settled in a peace treaty. In addition to solving that issue, Japan has been helping the British (close US friend) and the Americans themselves in a war, directly contributing forces well outside their part of the world.

I never said that Japan and America were best friends, but some normalising of relations is surely reasonable.

- BNC
 
As of 1944, what do the US and Japan have as a reason to still be angry at each other for? Most of their rivalry IOTL stemmed from the conflict with China, a conflict which is now three years past and has been settled in a peace treaty. In addition to solving that issue, Japan has been helping the British (close US friend) and the Americans themselves in a war, directly contributing forces well outside their part of the world.

I never said that Japan and America were best friends, but some normalising of relations is surely reasonable.

- BNC

I am saying it is inconceivable to think of a world where Japan and the US didn't go to war, considering that war is part of American culture.

But this TL did it magnificently.
 
Really? Man, if alternate history taught me anything, its that international relations are really, really fluid.
OTL history has plenty of examples of strange bedfellows too, from the French alliance with the Ottomans vs the Hapsburgs to Nixon going to China.
 
I wonder would the Allies try to setup some kind of German force to fight against the Soviets, I'm sure there's some Germans who would join up. Or would their reputation too damaged for the Allies to try?
 
But this TL did it magnificently.
Thank you. :)

I wonder would the Allies try to setup some kind of German force to fight against the Soviets, I'm sure there's some Germans who would join up. Or would their reputation too damaged for the Allies to try?
Can't see it happening. It would annoy the French pretty badly for fairly obvious reasons, and seeing as France is contributing 10-20% of the war effort, that's a pretty big no-no.

There's also the risk of granting more legitimacy to the Nazis at a time when every effort needs to be directed towards stomping the ideology out - Nazi leaders are still alive, and there are certainly going to be fanatics calling for the restoration of Nazi leadership (there's a bit of doublethink needed for Nazis in western Germany to be calling Halder/Goring, in Moscow, their leader, but Nazis are already masters of doublethink so I don't imagine this would concern them too much.

As yet there are still no Adenauer-type figures in power in Germany (Ike is basically military governor as well as leader of all the armies), so it isn't possible for the Germans to even claim to be fighting for an "acceptable" German government.

- BNC
 
OTL history has plenty of examples of strange bedfellows too, from the French alliance with the Ottomans vs the Hapsburgs to Nixon going to China.

I read one TL where communist North Vietnam allies with America.

I read another TL where the USSR and America fight together on the brutal eastern front.

In my TL (about a Nazi victory world) I intend to have, by the modern day, a world where Russia and America are allies on the world stage.

OTL, that seems odd, but again, a good POD can create the craziest situations.
 
I read one TL where communist North Vietnam allies with America.

I read another TL where the USSR and America fight together on the brutal eastern front.

In my TL (about a Nazi victory world) I intend to have, by the modern day, a world where Russia and America are allies on the world stage.

OTL, that seems odd, but again, a good POD can create the craziest situations.
Do you have a link to that one or is it a from a book series? Because if it's the latter I think I know which one.
 
Really? Man, if alternate history taught me anything, its that international relations are really, really fluid.

International relations are best thought of as a bunch of hungry sociopaths with knives thrown into a pit with a single steak between them, and having to figure out how, if at all, to divide said steak, and between how many people.
Or a game of Diplomacy in other words.

Of course diplomacy is different from this in that countries tend not to die so easily. So reputation and face and precedent and history matter a lot more.
 
International relations are best thought of as a bunch of hungry sociopaths with knives thrown into a pit with a single steak between them, and having to figure out how, if at all, to divide said steak, and between how many people.
Or a game of Diplomacy in other words.

What history has taught me is that the "civilized man" wanting a nicer house will end up doing more damage then the savage who kills merely for food.
 
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