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  1. Threadmarks: List of Political Parties in Patagonia

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    List of parties in Patagonia:

    • Parti national (National Party): conservative, nationalist, right-wing to centre-right, staunchly royalist. Sees Patagonia (at least to some extent) as "Free France" but has given up on claims on the homeland(s).
    • Parti social (Social Party): social democratic, centrist to slightly centre-left, royalist.
    • Citoyens libres (Free Citizens): centrist, liberal both socially and economically, civil liberalism, civil rights (esp. data protection), royalist, sometimes nationalist
    • Parti Verte et Blanche - Mouvement pour un vie digne d'etre vécu (Green and White Party - Movement for a life worth living): environmentalist, climate change protection, human rights, cntre-left, split on the question of monarchy but currently does not follow a republican agenda.
    • Parti chretién (Christian Party): Christian, socially conservative, staunchly monarchist, pro-life, sometimes environmentalist, economically left-wing.
    • Alternative - Just, Republicain, National (Alternative - Just, Republican, National): Left-wing populist, nationalist, staunchly republican, economically far-left, socially right-wing to far-right. Sometimes technocratic.
    • Mouvement Mapoutcheén: Mapuche interests. Once ardently republican, but has significantly moderated. Otherwise socially and economically liberal, environmentalist like the Green Whites.
    • Progrès - Le XXI Siècle: (neo-)technocratic, pro-AI rights, for unlimited use of biotechnology and genetics, sometimes pro-Second Republic.
    • Conseils Ouvrières et Paysans (Workers' and Farmers' Soviets): Pro-Soviet, far-left, ardently republican, some factions are pro-Andean Workers' Union. Banned
    • Syndicat des Ouvrières Unies (United Workers' Syndicates): pro-Metropolitan France, Syndicalist, staunchly to ardently republican. Banned
     
  2. Threadmarks: List of Political Parties in Argentina

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    Parties in Argentina:

    Transnational:

    • Partei des Platavolkes (PPV)/Partito Populare de la Plata/Parti Populaire de la Plate/Popular Plata Party (PPP): Conservative, Christian democrat, right-wing.
    • Workers' Union (WU)/Arbeiterunion (AU)/Ouvrières Unis (OU)/Operai Uniti/Trabajadores Unidos (TU): social democratic, centre-left, uniting all ethnicities
    • Naturschutzpartei - Die Grünen/Green Party - Protect Life/Les Verts/Muovimento Verde: environmentalist, green, socially rather conservative, unites and transcends ethnicities.
    German:
    • Christlich-Deutscher Verein (CDV): Christian democracy, centrist to centre-right,
    • Deutsche Arbeitervereine (DAV): far-left economically, socially liberal. Democratic Syndicalism. Some factions pro-France and pro-West Germany.
    • Freie Vereinigung Deutscher Menschen (FVDM): centrist, economically liberal and capitalist, pro-civil rights, socially centrist.
    • Union Deutscher Wissenschaftler und Techniker (UDWT): de facto Second Republic in exile, composed of descendants of the rulers of the Second Republic and exiled collaborators etc.

    English, Welsh, Irish:

    • Royalist Party: for installing the House of Windsor in Argentina, otherwise Anglican democratic and socially relatively conservative.
    • Plaïd Cymru: Welsh interests, otherwise socially and economically centre-left. Much like the Workers' Union.
    • Fine Gael: Irish interests, Catholic Christian democracy, socially relatively conservative. But nowhere near PIC.
    • Páirtí Poblachtach Sóisialach na hÉireann: left-wing democratic socialism, sometimes bordering on Syndicalism. Economically and socially far-left.
    French:

    • Parti Royaliste - Action Française: Argentina shall join Patagonia and the Bourbon monarchy! Argentina shall become more French or part of "Free France"! Otherwise, the party is Christian Democratic.
    • Lutte Ouvrière: Effectively the French branch of Lotta Sindacale - but a bit more radical. While "Lotta Sindacale" advocates fighting for better working conditions, Lutte Ouvrière wants to overthrow the Argentine government in a "revolutionary syndical mass uprising".

    Italian/Spanish/Romance:
    • Partito Cattolico: staunchly nationalist, staunchly Catholic and staunchly conservative, both economically and socially. One of the few parties in developed countries to still oppose same-sex marriage. Ardently opposes polyamory.
    • Lotta Sindacale: Italian, Spanish and Portuguese syndicalists, far-left. But still democratic syndicalist, not advocating a violent revolution/uprising.
    Polish and Lithuanian:
    • Ojczyzna: Catholic democracy, staunch Polish nationalism. Still not as radical as PIC.
    • New Lithuania Union: Lithuanian interests, Christian democratic. Advocates recognising Lithuanian as an official language of Argentina.
    Native:
    • Native Rights League: Native interests. They already have human rights since the 1990s, and thus, the party also dabbles in environmentalism and slight anti-capitalism. Thus it became electable for some non-native voters.
     
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  3. Threadmarks: ABC News: 11/29/18

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  4. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    Now, I coloured in the two Chinas with their appropriate dynasties - and made Tsingtau German and Maczuj (Macau) Polish.

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  6. Threadmarks: Major Political Parties - United States

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    Your progressive-greens box is a bit broken (either that or they've found a way to create 435 states and an extra 335 seats in the senate).
     
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  8. Threadmarks: List of Prime Ministers of Patagonia

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    Prime Ministers of Patagonia:

    1936-1951: Phillippe Pétain (Parti national-chrétien)
    1951-1966: Marcel-Edmond Naegelen (Parti Social)
    1966-1973: Georges Pompidou (Parti national-chrétien)
    1973-1983: Valery Giscard d'Estaing (Parti democratique francais)
    1983-1995: Jean-Marie Le Pen (Parti national)
    1995-2000: Ieuan Wyn Jones (Parti Social)
    2000-2005: Victor Ancalaf (Parti Chrétien-Parti Social coalition)
    2005-2019: Marine Le Pen (Parti national)
    2012-2026: Ahmet Das (Parti Social)
     
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  9. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    Can i suggest: "Partito Cattolico Italiano" sounds better in Italian.
     
  10. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    I made it into "Partito Cattolico" as it anyway is no Italian-only party.
     
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  11. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    @Filo , what do you think... who could lead North and South Italy? These states (with the division) exist since the 1910s, but South Italy went militarist sometime in the 1970s.

    I know that both Pietro Nenni and Enrico Berlinguer are Sardinians - thus, who are well-known communists from the Italian North? Amadeo Bordiga?
     
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  12. InfernoMole hook, line and sinker

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    This list is uninspired.

    I get it that Patagonia is a Free France of sorts, but should all Prime Ministers of Patagonia be Frenchmen, especially when five out of eight "Prime Ministers" in your list were leaders of France IOTL?

    Seriously, add in some Mapuche or Welsh/Briton politician, or at least change a few names.
     
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  13. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    I'll take a look and give you a suggestion
     
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  15. Filo Count of Santa Lucia

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    Was this Italian states both communist?
     
  16. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    I would have liked to, but do you know any Mapuche politician?
     
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  17. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    No. The South was first more or less democratic (continued Kingdom of Italy), and then went militarist in the 70s.
     
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  18. Red Arturoist Napoleon II. - Marxist-Arturoist-Trałkaist Donor

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    I thought yes, as Patagonia was entirely settled by French. Maybe even as a penal colonly like OTL Australia?
    But still, this doesn't prevent some Mapuche or Welsh (I don't think British is likely as the UK is just as constitutionally monarchist and just as democratic as OTL, and has never seen a revolution) politician from arising.
     
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    I may suggest Victor Ancalaf, prominent leader of Mapuche nationalist organization Coordinadora Arauco-Malleco, or Hector Llaitul of the same organization.

    Colonies are by their nature ethnically diverse; nowhere this applies more than America. Even OTL Patagonia, a decidedly inhospitable region, contains a large population of Welsh immigrants.

    Australia was, contrary to stereotypes, not exactly a penal colony; it is estimated that there were far more assisted immigrants involved in the settlement of Australia than convicts.
     
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